15.4%: Why North should receive expansion-style concessions

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That's the General to you.

In an ideal world I guess that'll become FOS. Or as a longer shot, Urquhart.

If not, hopefully we can scrap our way to "comfortably midtier" status so we have a decent chance to get the next version of Dunkley or Hewett on the trade marketplace.

Windhager would have been the perfect fit. I know you guys were pretty keen on him.

 

[Orange crush]

If we made 2 clubs from North, Melbourne, Bulldogs and St Kilda the comp would be stronger.

So the western bulldogs and an amalgam of the other 3 sides

 

[thisismyname]

The North Melbourne AFLW team should help out the AfLM team. They seem to be able to dominate.

 

[Makeshift Park]

Merge three clubs that predate the invention of the lightbulb, the Giants and Dockers fans reckon.

 

[Saints43]

Merge three clubs that predate the invention of the lightbulb, the Giants and Dockers fans reckon.

There's no sense of history if you haven't got any, I suppose.

 

[Liam Boy]

Sick of this discussion. The time to give us draft concessions was after 2022, instead of the Freo assistance package where they got picks for offloading Darcy Tucker

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and Griffin Logue

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to us. The package we ended up getting has turned out to be about right, I think. Hardeman is already looking really good, having Wil Dawson developing sets us up to have a pretty good backline in a couple of years, Dylan Stephens

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looks pretty good and Zac Fisher

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looks pretty bad. The extra Rookie spots were also quite helpful, in that they enabled us to have more swings at the MSD and also to bring in guys like Liam Shiels

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who were valuable for the younger players' development. The worst of it is clearly over and charity picks now won't really do anything.

 

[jdstorm]

Assistance packages are crap. Maybe extra list spots but no extra picks.

If you’ve been bad for a prolonged period of time with no hope of improvement then maybe fire your list manager/head of football/Ceo

It’s a better comp when all 18 teams are competent. It’s a worse comp when teams are sooking for concessions while deliberately tanking.

 

[glengowan]

Merge three clubs that predate the invention of the lightbulb, the Giants and Dockers fans reckon.

Or they could be sent to the competition that predates the VFL/AFL.

 

[The_Reaper]

We don't need MORE compromising. By all means add extra money in the soft cap, but North have PLENTY of top tier talent. I like what they did with WCE this year, expanded the rookie list, that could be an option.

All teams should be allowed 44-48 players.
If you are a strong team and want to pay your stars more to keep under salary cap have the minimum 44 players

If you are a weak team pay individuals less but cast out the net trying out more players.

At the moment minimum salary cap just means Simpkin and Kelly get overpaid

 

[Purple Suit]

If West Coast win 6 games next season, they will finish the past 5 years under North's winning percentage of 15.4% and be at a flat 15%. 7 wins gets to them 15.9%. If they win 1 game again, 10.6%.

I think North's problems aren't going to be a big issue, even if they are the longest.

 

[Liam Boy]

If West Coast win 6 games next season, they will finish the past 5 years under North's winning percentage of 15.4% and be at a flat 15%. 7 wins gets to them 15.9%. If they win 1 game again, 10.6%.

I think North's problems aren't going to be a big issue, even if they are the longest.

I don't think it's a coincidence that we're suddenly seeing two of the worst performed teams in modern history within such a short timespan, I think it's a symptom of the rule changes. In the past if your team sucked you could at least coach them to shut games down, you'd avoid some of the embarrassing losses and with lower scoring you'd be much more likely to steal one against an opponent having a bad day. Now with 666 and the stand rule you just get blitzed, it's really hard to stop runs of goals and it ****s players up mentally to just concede over and over with no end in sight, leading to weeks and months of losing by 30-60.

I think clubs will look at what's happened with North and West Coast and avoid bottoming out like the plague, choosing to remain mediocre rather than making radical list changes knowing you'll have an uncompetitive year and reap the rewards at the draft, because that easily turns into 2 or 3 or 4 years. That's potentially good for the competition, but if a Richmond or Essendon fall into the well like we did, expect it to be treated like a crisis and have all the rules reverted + as many priority picks as it takes.

 

[Bunk Moreland]

If West Coast win 6 games next season, they will finish the past 5 years under North's winning percentage of 15.4% and be at a flat 15%. 7 wins gets to them 15.9%. If they win 1 game again, 10.6%.

I think North's problems aren't going to be a big issue, even if they are the longest.

North's 15.4% is over six years. There's two years ahead of West Coast on the measure.

If West Coast have two more years of complete dross, fair enough.

 

[Purple Suit]

North's 15.4% is over six years. There's two years ahead of West Coast on the measure.

If West Coast have two more years of complete dross, fair enough.

Most of the examples you reference are just over 100 games. WC's bad run has been 11/90 games. At the end of 26 season it'll be ?/113 games and I recon it is a long enough period, especially since they are currently at 12.22%. If they keep that percentage up and only win 2-3 games in 26, it'll be 20% less wins than North.

 

[Cool Kangas]

If we made 2 clubs from North, Melbourne, Bulldogs and St Kilda the comp would be stronger.

We should also get rid of Freo and just have west coast in Perth. That would work too.

 

[Elixuh]

The North Melbourne AFLW team should help out the AfLM team. They seem to be able to dominate.

So remove the salary cap and limit the drain on talent out of North.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

We should also get rid of Freo and just have west coast in Perth. That would work too.

Then North could relocate to Perth and finally not be the shittest team in their state.

In all seriousness though, Freo are in no way, shape, or form a financial drain on the competition. Apart from being salty, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's too many teams in Melbourne and North are the most obvious candidate to merge or relocate elsewhere. They already sell home games to teams outside of Melbourne so they can occasionally make some profit.

 

[Saints43]

Then North could relocate to Perth and finally not be the shittest team in their state.

In all seriousness though, Freo are in no way, shape, or form a financial drain on the competition. Apart from being salty, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's too many teams in Melbourne and North are the most obvious candidate to merge or relocate elsewhere. They already sell home games to teams outside of Melbourne so they can occasionally make some profit.

Some of the supporters of these franchise organisations are like grandchildren living in the house their grandparents built and calling them a drain on the household income.

 

[Roylion]

There's too many teams in Melbourne and North are the most obvious candidate to merge or relocate elsewhere.

And how's that going to happen?

They already sell home games to teams outside of Melbourne so they can occasionally make some profit.

A variety of AFL clubs have been selling home games for years. Richmond are the latest to do so, after Melbourne, Gold Coast, GWS, St. Kilda, Hawthorn and Brisbane have previously sold home games. Collingwood have recently flirted with the concept and Brisbane are considering the same in the lead-up to the 2032 Olympics.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

And how's that going to happen?


A variety of AFL clubs have been selling home games for years. Richmond are the latest to do so, after Melbourne, Gold Coast, GWS, St. Kilda, Hawthorn and Brisbane have previously sold home games. Collingwood have recently flirted with the concept and Brisbane are considering the same in the lead-up to the 2032 Olympics.

How's that going to happen? You have a Fitzroy guernsey as your avatar so surely you could use your imagination. It's been done before. And 5 premierships in 25 years shows it was the right move.

 

[Roylion]

How's that going to happen?

How's it going to happen?

You have a Fitzroy guernsey as your avatar so surely you could use your imagination.

Given I'm a shareholder of Fitzroy both then and now, I'm well aware of what actually happened. Fitzroy was expelled from the AFL competition in November 1996 and now plays in the VAFA.

It's been done before.

There's never been a merger. And the only relocation that has occurred was when South Melbourne relocated of its own volition in the early 80's. That wasn't at the behest of the VFL. That relocation was a highly contentious move that led to the fracturing of the club's playing list and support base. The then VFL had to take control of the Sydney Swans in 1988. The AFL couldn't make Footscray merge in 1989, nor could they make Melbourne and Hawthorn merge in 1989, nor could they make North Melbourne relocate to Queensland in 2007. All they could do is expel Fitzroy from the competition in 1996.

And 5 premierships in 25 years shows it was the right move.

What was the right move? Fitzroy neither relocated or merged. I've gone through all this before elsewhere.

Tell me who's going to make North Melbourne merge or relocate?

 

[Liam Boy]

Then North could relocate to Perth and finally not be the shittest team in their state.

In all seriousness though, Freo are in no way, shape, or form a financial drain on the competition. Apart from being salty, I'm not sure what point you're trying to make. There's too many teams in Melbourne and North are the most obvious candidate to merge or relocate elsewhere. They already sell home games to teams outside of Melbourne so they can occasionally make some profit.

There aren't too many teams in Melbourne. You think there are too many teams in Melbourne because it's a phrase that's been repeated over and over but it's not based in anything.

 

[Piggy Smalls]

How's it going to happen?


Given I'm a shareholder of Fitzroy both then and now, I'm well aware of what actually happened. Fitzroy was expelled from the AFL competition in November 1996 and now plays in the VAFA.


There's never been a merger. And the only relocation that has occurred was when South Melbourne relocated of its own volition in the early 80's. That wasn't at the behest of the VFL. That relocation was a highly contentious move that led to the fracturing of the club's playing list and support base. The then VFL had to take control of the Sydney Swans in 1988. The AFL couldn't make Footscray merge in 1989, nor could they make Melbourne and Hawthorn merge in 1989, nor could they make North Melbourne relocate to Queensland in 2007. All they could do is expel Fitzroy from the competition in 1996.



What was the right move? Fitzroy neither relocated or merged. I've gone through all this before elsewhere.

Tell me who's going to make North Melbourne merge or relocate?

Are you a lawyer by any chance? What a crock of technical BS

 

[Roylion]

Are you a lawyer by any chance?

I told you what I was (and am). A Fitzroy Football Club shareholder...both when they were in the AFL and a shareholder as of now. One of 774 shareholders sharing 583,000 shares.

What a crock of technical BS

You don't know what you're talking about. What actually happened is detailed here and here.

Tell me who's going to make North Melbourne merge or relocate?

 

[Piggy Smalls]

I told you what I was (and am). A Fitzroy Football Club shareholder...both when they were in the AFL and a shareholder as of now. One of 774 shareholders sharing 583,000 shares.


You don't know what you're talking about. What actually happened is detailed here and here.

Tell me who's going to make North Melbourne merge or relocate?

What has that got to do with whether I think they should merge or relocate? It's pretty obvious that's there too many teams in Melbourne. It seems like you're too emotionally invested to consider it objectively.

 

[ItsAllAboutMe]

Some of the supporters of these franchise organisations are like grandchildren living in the house their grandparents built and calling them a drain on the household income.

North based on geography have an excuse for being a poor club and not having a wide net of supporters, St Kilda on the other hand have the entire bayside from Port Melbourne to Frankston, and even inland through the South East as their catchment.. they should be a powerhouse yet remain a pathetic football club.