Will Giannis Antetokounmpo stay with the Bucks?

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ojnarowski] ESPN Sources: MVP Giannis Antetokounmpo's 3-hour lunch with Bucks co-owner/governor Marc Lasry on Friday covered the season, how Bucks can improve roster, Lasry confirming willingness to spend into luxury tax and agreement they’ll talk again after Giannis returns from a vacation.
 

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Why would they give him away for nothing? They'll be garbage in 2020/21 without any benefit.

He was an all star this year and nearly took a team that lost Westbrook and George out of the first round.

What is the motivation of OKC to turn two years of Paul at $40m into 3 or 4 years of Bledsoe, Middleton, Hill, whoever?

Teams want CP3, he has value. If OKC are smart they will offload him this year for picks/young players/expiring contracts for next year.
You sure? He is 36 with 85million dollars left on his contract.

They probably want to be garbage. That's what rebuilding is. Draft picks and cap room..
 

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I read somewhere today Boston are a quiet dark horse in the background (offering Jaylen Brown, Hayward and a couple of future first round picks).

I would only do that deal if Giannis agreed to a Max contract extension with the Celtics..

But my gut feeling is Giannis will stay with the Bucks, they haven't got miserable old miserable Herb Kohl as owner anymore. Greek Freak strikes me as the loyal type provided they give him a decent support cast.
 

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I read somewhere today Boston are a quiet dark horse in the background (offering Jaylen Brown, Hayward and a couple of future first round picks).

I would only do that deal if Giannis agreed to a Max contract extension with the Celtics..

But my gut feeling is Giannis will stay with the Bucks, they haven't got miserable old miserable Herb Kohl as owner anymore. Greek Freak strikes me as the loyal type provided they give him a decent support cast.
well, they have a year to make him happy...I don’t think he will sign an extension, I think he’ll wait and see whether the Bucks front office deliver on their promises first
 

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You sure? He is 36 with 85million dollars left on his contract.

They probably want to be garbage. That's what rebuilding is. Draft picks and cap room..
Yep, that's why they parted with Westbrook and George. They got picks, SGA and Gallinari with an expiring contract. Win, win, win.

CP3 is absolutely up for trade, but they're not giving him away for nothing.
 

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Yep, that's why they parted with Westbrook and George. They got picks, SGA and Gallinari with an expiring contract. Win, win, win.

CP3 is absolutely up for trade, but they're not giving him away for nothing.
It’s not as simple as that though, is it? Yes, he’s been superb this year but he’s difficult to trade as his contract is super max-sized and he’s in the late twilight of his career

If the Thunder got Middleton for Paul, then they’ve made out like bandits...Middleton is a younger, taller All-Star with a much better contract so he’s much easier to on-trade if the fit is not great with SGA

Chris Paul was amazing this year but let’s not get carried away about his dog of a contract 👍
 

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Yep, that's why they parted with Westbrook and George. They got picks, SGA and Gallinari with an expiring contract. Win, win, win.

CP3 is absolutely up for trade, but they're not giving him away for nothing.
It would have been for okc to get Wiseman/ball/Edwards instead of being stuck in no man's land

They did so well this season, they even lost their first rounder to the sixers(iirc)

Paul has veen brilliant but I'm not sure how many teams will view a 37/38 year old on 45 million dollars as a 'positive asset'
 
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well, they have a year to make him happy...I don’t think he will sign an extension, I think he’ll wait and see whether the Bucks front office deliver on their promises first
I think

If he want the 'supermax' contract he has to sign within 4 weeks , or something?

Not everyday someone passes up 300 odd million dollars Us$
 

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It’s not as simple as that though, is it? Yes, he’s been superb this year but he’s difficult to trade as his contract is super max-sized and he’s in the late twilight of his career

If the Thunder got Middleton for Paul, then they’ve made out like bandits...Middleton is a younger, taller All-Star with a much better contract so he’s much easier to on-trade if the fit is not great with SGA

Chris Paul was amazing this year but let’s not get carried away about his dog of a contract 👍
His contract becomes less of an issue each year. OKC took him on with 3 years left after a couple of poorish years with the Rockets. Then this year he played 70 games, made the All Star game and was big in the playoffs.

Middleton's on the hook for another 4 years rising to $41m in the last year of the deal. That's Klay Thompson money. Klay is good enough to be a second scoring option and previously played as a third. Middleton is good enough to play as a third and plays as a second.

If Milwaukee could straight swap two years of Paul for 4 years of Middleton (salaries don't balance) they'd make out like bandits.
 

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His contract becomes less of an issue each year. OKC took him on with 3 years left after a couple of poorish years with the Rockets. Then this year he played 70 games, made the All Star game and was big in the playoffs.

Middleton's on the hook for another 4 years rising to $41m in the last year of the deal. That's Klay Thompson money. Klay is good enough to be a second scoring option and previously played as a third. Middleton is good enough to play as a third and plays as a second.

If Milwaukee could straight swap two years of Paul for 4 years of Middleton (salaries don't balance) they'd make out like bandits.
...but after 2 years of Middleton, OKC still have an all-star, all-nba-level wing to trade, whereas Paul will retire and/or leave to chase a ring as a vet minimum

Look, I’m not saying your argument has no merit, I’m saying it has a regency bias based on Paul playing so well this year...Paul’s stocks are as high as they can get, while Middleton‘s stocks are temporarily dampened by the disappointing playoff run by his team

My point is simply that OKC would be better in the medium to long-term with Middleton than with Paul (if Paul tweaks a hamstring at any point, Middleton is better for them in the short term too)
 

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...but after 2 years of Middleton, OKC still have an all-star, all-nba-level wing to trade, whereas Paul will retire and/or leave to chase a ring as a vet minimum

Look, I’m not saying your argument has no merit, I’m saying it has a regency bias based on Paul playing so well this year...Paul’s stocks are as high as they can get, while Middleton‘s stocks are temporarily dampened by the disappointing playoff run by his team

My point is simply that OKC would be better in the medium to long-term with Middleton than with Paul (if Paul tweaks a hamstring at any point, Middleton is better for them in the short term too)
I see your point, but I guess I don't rate Middleton as highly as you do. He has made two All Star Games but he's playing for the team that has had the best record in the NBA the last two seasons. Beal and Booker missed All NBA selection and only Booker made the All Star Game as an injury reserve. They are both better players than Middleton. If you did a straight swap CP3 for Middleton I doubt Middleton is a 2021 All Star playing for a garbage OKC team.

NBA salary cap rules being what they are there are $30-35m a year players and there are $30-35m a year players. Mlddleton and Harris making as much money as Butler and Kawhi isn't a reflection of their abilities. The risk for OKC (or Milwaukee if Giannis bails in free agency) is getting stuck with 3-4 years of a top 20 salary for a top 50-100+ output player. Two years of CP3 for Milwaukee is fine. One year would be ideal, but the contract was signed years ago. It's a one year gamble for a title a la Toronto 2019. 3 or more years, hell no. That's Horford territory.
 

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I see your point, but I guess I don't rate Middleton as highly as you do. He has made two All Star Games but he's playing for the team that has had the best record in the NBA the last two seasons. Beal and Booker missed All NBA selection and only Booker made the All Star Game as an injury reserve. They are both better players than Middleton. If you did a straight swap CP3 for Middleton I doubt Middleton is a 2021 All Star playing for a garbage OKC team.

NBA salary cap rules being what they are there are $30-35m a year players and there are $30-35m a year players. Mlddleton and Harris making as much money as Butler and Kawhi isn't a reflection of their abilities. The risk for OKC (or Milwaukee if Giannis bails in free agency) is getting stuck with 3-4 years of a top 20 salary for a top 50-100+ output player. Two years of CP3 for Milwaukee is fine. One year would be ideal, but the contract was signed years ago. It's a one year gamble for a title a la Toronto 2019. 3 or more years, hell no. That's Horford territory.
Great post, agree 👍
 

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