Will this be make or break for Mitch Brown

[swannies]

I got the impression that his role in todays game was to be the key HB 1v1 defender. I know he can run off HB because he does it regularly at EF but I think he got his orders today to stick tight and bring the ball to ground which I think did very well. I expect him to have a blinder next week against NM.

Yeah, that's what it looked liked.

 

[ChampRevesby]

14 Disposals at 93% (highest DE% of any Eagle today! )

 

[Masto]

Mitch Brown played well. I actually like him better than Mackenzie, has better skills, but Macca is better one on one.

 

[Kwality]

Good game even though the opposition were underage, looked more self assured/confident.

Every week needs to be as good as today.

 

[sTeeL]

Thats only gonna work if he takes a page from Darrens book and actually plays within his limitations. Glass rarely coughs the ball up because he knows he isn't that fantastic by foot so his kicks are usually chip kicks or only to free players.

I would like to see brown do the same. And fricken calm down a bit. I know he plays back, but he needs to chilax a little bit. Too edgy and fumbly.

Bullshit. He is quite a decent kick. His problem isn't skills, its all in his head. I feel at times, hes trying too hard instead of playing natural which leads to him overthinking situations. Brown isn't limited by his skillset so your way off base.

 

[Prem87]

Bullshit. He is quite a decent kick. His problem isn't skills, its all in his head. I feel at times, hes trying too hard instead of playing natural which leads to him overthinking situations. Brown isn't limited by his skillset so your way off base.

Agree, you can see him thinking when he's about to dispose of the ball.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Bullshit. He is quite a decent kick. His problem isn't skills, its all in his head. I feel at times, hes trying too hard instead of playing natural which leads to him overthinking situations. Brown isn't limited by his skillset so your way off base.

Wow, i almost feinted with surprise when i saw who was calling my posts bullshit yet again steel.
Do you ever form an opinion BEFORE a game, or do you just find it easier waiting until a game is finished and THEN replying to everyones thoughts?

He played decent today for a team that won by 126 points. My favourite part of his game was when he outmarked one of there forwards in the 3rd quarter i think? But throwing todays disposal efficiency out in a game against the gold coast isn't exactly the most just thing.

I stand by my opinion. Minimal composure, fumbly, average decision making and average kick.
I'm not changing it because he "played well" in a team which won by 126pts and he could do what he wanted because GC sucks

 

[sTeeL]

Its nothing to do with his game. You had a direct attack on his skills. I correctly pointed out Brown has no issues with skill. He is a decent mark when he goes for it, his kicking is at least average if not better. His only issue is thinking out a situation and confidence. Im not asking you to change your opinion on if hes going to make it. I simply pointed out why you were wrong about his flaws. Hopefully someone showing you can lead you to less hate for our players and more understanding of what they need to overcome to become great players for West Coast.

 

[sTeeL]

Overall I dont get the Mitch Brown hate. He is a year younger than Emac and Schofeild, he would have been playing in the team a helluva lot more and gaining confidence if it wasnt for all his injuries and is now considered first backup for our tall KPB's. All are in good form so you dont really drop one. All he can do is take his chances as they come...

 

[bodazoka]

I got the impression that his role in todays game was to be the key HB 1v1 defender. I know he can run off HB because he does it regularly at EF but I think he got his orders today to stick tight and bring the ball to ground which I think did very well. I expect him to have a blinder next week against NM.

I think so as well, there was a passage of play where 2 years ago he would of ran through the lines but this time he looked to pass it sideways. Seemed like it was a planned thing.

Played very well in the second half, very happy that he has picked up the pace of AFL footy again and seemed more comfterble. Unfortunately he may be dropped this weekend for Schofield...

I really hope he doesn't leave.

 

[BradWCE]

Overall I dont get the Mitch Brown hate. He is a year younger than Emac and Schofeild, he would have been playing in the team a helluva lot more and gaining confidence if it wasnt for all his injuries and is now considered first backup for our tall KPB's. All are in good form so you dont really drop one. All he can do is take his chances as they come...

I agree with this. Not that it makes any difference to the main point of your post but Brown is older than Schofield.

 

[sTeeL]

My bad. i thought emac and schofield were drafted the year before brown

 

[Pottering]

Its nothing to do with his game. You had a direct attack on his skills. I correctly pointed out Brown has no issues with skill. He is a decent mark when he goes for it, his kicking is at least average if not better. His only issue is thinking out a situation and confidence. Im not asking you to change your opinion on if hes going to make it. I simply pointed out why you were wrong about his flaws. Hopefully someone showing you can lead you to less hate for our players and more understanding of what they need to overcome to become great players for West Coast.

He is not definitevely wrong, just has a differing opinion. You join a long line here who feel that if someone has a differing opinion they are by definition wrong. Well, you would say that wouldn't you (apologies M. Rice-Davies).

The true measure of Brown's skills are what actually happens on the ground. And my opinion is that his skills are shaky. Whether this is due to lack of confidence or actual skill (or both) only those on the inside would know because the rest of us only see the end results.

The stats that come out of games are often flawed because they can't take into account all the factors. For instance if Brown (or any other player) has the ball and is under no pressure and an Eagle clear of his man makes a lead and Brown's 40+ metre kick lands at his feet and a pack develops which leads to an opposition possession, that counts as an effective disposal to Brown because it was not a direct turnover.

I judge Brown and all players by what I see and what I see is that he is not a particularly clean ball handler and not a reliable kick. This is an issue because our backline is very thin for calm and effective distributors of the ball.

 

[the harry]

Brown would not be above average skills..... There is no way he's in the best 20 kicks on out list.

He did better yesterday as he looked to handball far more than last week, but fact is it was against GC. I still think people get seduced by his physique.

 

[ChampRevesby]

I still think people get seduced by his physique.

Right, so you are saying that the WCE selectors picked him cos hes cute? What a load of toss.

 

[greenpike]

True. He does have that Frankenstein forehead thing.

 

[the harry]

Right, so you are saying that the WCE selectors picked him cos hes cute? What a load of toss.

No, I mean fans. I'm sure the MC have their reasons for playing him.

Look at the way people used to react to Masten, "too skinny" "can't tackle" "needs to hit the gym", the same with Swift. But Brown has what looks to be an AFL ready body, so people think he'll automatically be good, even if not there just yet. But if we were judge him as harsh as Masto and co, we'd be saying that injuries aren't an excuse, that he's 24, it's his 6th season on the list which is propably half of his Eagles career, still isn't a regular player, worse disposal than Priddis, plays like a dear in headlights, and was an absolute dud of a first round pick.

I'm sure there is a happy middle ground that is the truth though.

 

[SpaceClef]

No, I mean fans. I'm sure the MC have their reasons for playing him.

Look at the way people used to react to Masten, "too skinny" "can't tackle" "needs to hit the gym", the same with Swift. But Brown has what looks to be an AFL ready body, so people think he'll automatically be good, even if not there just yet.

Agree with this. I've noticed BF people judging fringe players much less harshly if they are physically developed. I assume it's because they think they will be more likely to 'make it' once they overcome whatever it is that is keeping them out of the side. Maybe it's a Tony Notte thing?

 

[Kwality]

Overall I dont get the Mitch Brown hate. He is a year younger than Emac and Schofeild, he would have been playing in the team a helluva lot more and gaining confidence if it wasnt for all his injuries and is now considered first backup for our tall KPB's. All are in good form so you dont really drop one. All he can do is take his chances as they come...

Are you dinkum, to question any players future is hate to you .... give us a break!!

 

[kane249]

Right, so you are saying that the WCE selectors picked him cos hes cute? What a load of toss.

They picked him because Schofield was injured

If we have all out tall backs available he doesn't get picked

 

[swannies]

The stats that come out of games are often flawed because they can't take into account all the factors. For instance if Brown (or any other player) has the ball and is under no pressure and an Eagle clear of his man makes a lead and Brown's 40+ metre kick lands at his feet and a pack develops which leads to an opposition possession, that counts as an effective disposal to Brown because it was not a direct turnover.

I judge Brown and all players by what I see and what I see is that he is not a particularly clean ball handler and not a reliable kick. This is an issue because our backline is very thin for calm and effective distributors of the ball.

Whilst that is true, what people see differs, even if they 'see' the same thing, so seeing is still judgemental. What I am saying is that seeing is not a perfect science either, because we interpret what we see differently. For example, I see someone not go hard into a contest - they are wimping out, although their judgement may be that they are a better chance to win the ball by not going into that particular contest.

What it all comes down to is some people can see some benefit in having Brown around, others don't.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

My bad. i thought emac and schofield were drafted the year before brown

All draft in the 2006 "Superdraft" that was full of KPP talent. Mackenzie the oldest born in May 88, Brown December 88 and Schofield was an underage draftee born in January 89 a month before Ryhs Palmer (who was eligible in 2006 and overlooked due to being a spud).

 

[Eastern Rangers]

He is not definitevely wrong, just has a differing opinion. You join a long line here who feel that if someone has a differing opinion they are by definition wrong. Well, you would say that wouldn't you (apologies M. Rice-Davies).

The true measure of Brown's skills are what actually happens on the ground. And my opinion is that his skills are shaky. Whether this is due to lack of confidence or actual skill (or both) only those on the inside would know because the rest of us only see the end results.

The stats that come out of games are often flawed because they can't take into account all the factors. For instance if Brown (or any other player) has the ball and is under no pressure and an Eagle clear of his man makes a lead and Brown's 40+ metre kick lands at his feet and a pack develops which leads to an opposition possession, that counts as an effective disposal to Brown because it was not a direct turnover.

I judge Brown and all players by what I see and what I see is that he is not a particularly clean ball handler and not a reliable kick. This is an issue because our backline is very thin for calm and effective distributors of the ball.

Reminds me of the talk about Mackenzie's skills. Dominates WAFL level and was questionable at AFL level, KPP's face incredible pressure in defense and these days getting out of defense. The transition is hard and if your not playing at the highest level often you probably lose the pace of the game. Especially when you havn't played many games to begin with.

 

[ChampRevesby]

They picked him because Schofield was injured

If we have all out tall backs available he doesn't get picked

If he wasn't good enough he wouldn't even be at the Eagles let alone on the ground.

 

[Jack_the_Ninja]

Browns main problem isn't his skills, disposal efficiency or kicking. Its his ability to not get broken in an AFL game which is lacking miserably in his years with us. Some players just continually break down and unfortunately he is one of these.