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That's not what is released in the press:

http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/02/09/windows-on-arm-woa-detailed-wont-support-x86-apps/

Sorry, but who in the consumer market is going to use Office on tablets? How often do you use Microsoft's suite of apps in the home?

The only niche they have is in the enterprise space. But with many enterprises still using XP, and only just now really catching up to Windows 7, how many are going to make the leap to Windows 8 just to have that integration across platforms, when existing iOS/Android tablets serve the bulk of their needs.

So why would MS developers create apps for tablets/phones when the bulk of their market remains in the x86 platform?
 
Clay Davis said:
That's not what is released in the press:

http://mobilesyrup.com/2012/02/09/windows-on-arm-woa-detailed-wont-support-x86-apps/

Sorry, but who in the consumer market is going to use Office on tablets? How often do you use Microsoft's suite of apps in the home?

The only niche they have is in the enterprise space. But with many enterprises still using XP, and only just now really catching up to Windows 7, how many are going to make the leap to Windows 8 just to have that integration across platforms, when existing iOS/Android tablets serve the bulk of their needs.

So why would MS developers create apps for tablets/phones when the bulk of their market remains in the x86 platform?
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Because their apps will work both on x86 windows 8 systems and also the second largest mobile platform.

I was talking about apps not applications; the article has the nomenclature wrong.

You are way, way off the mark here.

You are saying that the only niche MS have is in the enterprise but at the same time that enterprise is only starting to move to win 7. The last bit is true; enterprise is only starting to adopt 7.

Despite this MS have been selling over 650,000 copies of Windows 7 a day since it was launched.

I reckon they have some sort of niche outside of the enterprise.

They sell 86,000 copies of the consumer version of office a day. You may not use office outside of work but other people certainly do.
 
Sure, people buy Office. I did and I have it on my desktop. I will buy Office in the future again. But I hardly use it enough to have it influence a tablet or phone purchase. I doubt many consumers are hanging out for a phone they can use the Office suite on. But I question how many people will buy 'apps' for the desktop, not applications (I don't really see the distinction, BTW).

Sure, people buy Windows for the desktop. I will buy Windows 8 for the desktop when I next upgrade my hardware. But that's because it's the default standard OS for x86 hardware, because my system has been geared around Windows for over a decade.

The desktop PC market is fundamentally different from the portable device market. There are two killer features for portable devices: ease of use, and integration into the cloud. Apple murders anyone on user experience, and Google's cloud services (Maps, Gmail, Search, Youtube, Chrome) are second to none.

Integration with Office or the desktop PC doesn't seem to be a killer feature (Android doesn't even bother and sells hand over fist, while most iPhone users run Windows), and early reviews suggest that Microsoft don't beat either in both categories.
 
Clay Davis said:
Sure, people buy Office. I did and I have it on my desktop. I will buy Office in the future again. But I hardly use it enough to have it influence a tablet or phone purchase. I doubt many consumers are hanging out for a phone they can use the Office suite on. But I question how many people will buy 'apps' for the desktop, not applications (I don't really see the distinction, BTW).

Sure, people buy Windows for the desktop. I will buy Windows 8 for the desktop when I next upgrade my hardware. But that's because it's the default standard OS for x86 hardware, because my system has been geared around Windows for over a decade.

The desktop PC market is fundamentally different from the portable device market. There are two killer features for portable devices: ease of use, and integration into the cloud. Apple murders anyone on user experience, and Google's cloud services (Maps, Gmail, Search, Youtube, Chrome) are second to none.

Integration with Office or the desktop PC doesn't seem to be a killer feature (Android doesn't even bother and sells hand over fist, while most iPhone users run Windows), and early reviews suggest that Microsoft don't beat either in both categories.
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Generally I agree with you. Just as I said at the start it is going to be really fascinating to see how it rolls.

Totally disagree with you on one point. I own and use both iOS Android and WP7 daily.

WP7 totally smokes iOS in terms of user experience. WP7 is an absolute joy to use iOS feels very dated and vanilla in comparison. iOS smokes WP7 in app numbers.
 

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I find W7 and Android user experiences far less 'toy' than iOS, but I'm a big tech consumer and prefer that feeling of control. The kind of user experience I'm talking about are the things that blow away people who don't like tech. Which is the majority of the consumer base, and iOS suits their needs perfectly.

That said, I think this post-PC hype is rubbish. I love my portable devices, but without a desktop PC, they would all be effectively useless. I think Microsoft should get into hardware, but forget about following fads and make truly great PCs.
 
Clay Davis said:
I find W7 and Android user experiences far less 'toy' than iOS, but I'm a big tech consumer and prefer that feeling of control. The kind of user experience I'm talking about are the things that blow away people who don't like tech. Which is the majority of the consumer base, and iOS suits their needs perfectly.
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Sounds like you are talking about windows mobile not WP7. WP7 does the non tech stuff really beautifully.
 
Information Rights Management - This is where Windows 8 will capture the market.

The ability to protect email, documents etc using IRM will really start to increase in the corporate sector. Enterprises (good ones) won't allow ios/android devices onto networks or access to corporate mail due to the reason they cannot control access to protected data and mail. Especially with collaboration software such as SharePoint being implemented more and more.

WP7.5 already has IRM and once windows 8 is on a tablet, they will be pushed out in the corporate sector very quickly I'd think (especially with CEO's all asking for "iPads")

As a result, it'll filter down to the consumer sector as, it's the way blackberry captured such a big market, if your work issues you with a mobile/tablet, not many will also want to carry around a second mobile/tablet. Not to take away from the fact that the "Metro UI" is really really really goood...

In my experience, it appears 98% of businesses (SME market) have dropped the ball on IRM. USB keys, email on mobile devices, webmail etc have opened holes in security. It's all well and good using permissions within networks, RSA keys etc to block unwanted people getting in, but with more people changing jobs more often, not many businesses think about how to stop information from being passed out from the inside....

Also, the lines between personal and corporate devices/access is being blurred, it seems everyone has their corporate email on personal devices and vice-versa, personal information on corporate devices. If corporate's have the ability to control their information more securely and the devices they are on, they will jump at the opportunity - Enter Windows 8 (and WP8), which will cover the mobile/tablet/PC for employee's. Nice little (expensive) package.

/end rant.
 
Cory said:
Can you download and run Windows 8 atm?
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Yes.

There will be a more stable and feature rich version released at the end of the month though
 
weevil said:
Start/Settings/Power
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Ahh there it is.Thanks Weev.:thumbsu:

Don't know about anyone else but my version of W8 Dev is very buggy; i only got to that screen after a few attempts..!!

Mind you, it is still in early stages..

Not sure why MS went from a 2 step process to 3 for that??
 
wormburner67 said:
Ahh there it is.Thanks Weev.:thumbsu:

Don't know about anyone else but my version of W8 Dev is very buggy; i only got to that screen after a few attempts..!!

Mind you, it is still in early stages..

Not sure why MS went from a 2 step process to 3 for that??
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Really, it's been totally solid for me. Had to think about the power thing because I've only ever used it maybe twice in the whole time I've had the OS.

It is a different release model because they are introducing a new app model and they needed to push out a version for developers to start building right from the get go.
 

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ultimate hater said:
Information Rights Management - This is where Windows 8 will capture the market.
The ability to protect email, documents etc using IRM will really start to increase in the corporate sector. Enterprises (good ones) won't allow ios/android devices onto networks or access to corporate mail due to the reason they cannot control access to protected data and mail. Especially with collaboration software such as SharePoint being implemented more and more.

WP7.5 already has IRM and once windows 8 is on a tablet, they will be pushed out in the corporate sector very quickly I'd think (especially with CEO's all asking for "iPads")

As a result, it'll filter down to the consumer sector as, it's the way blackberry captured such a big market, if your work issues you with a mobile/tablet, not many will also want to carry around a second mobile/tablet. Not to take away from the fact that the "Metro UI" is really really really goood...

In my experience, it appears 98% of businesses (SME market) have dropped the ball on IRM. USB keys, email on mobile devices, webmail etc have opened holes in security. It's all well and good using permissions within networks, RSA keys etc to block unwanted people getting in, but with more people changing jobs more often, not many businesses think about how to stop information from being passed out from the inside....

Also, the lines between personal and corporate devices/access is being blurred, it seems everyone has their corporate email on personal devices and vice-versa, personal information on corporate devices. If corporate's have the ability to control their information more securely and the devices they are on, they will jump at the opportunity - Enter Windows 8 (and WP8), which will cover the mobile/tablet/PC for employee's. Nice little (expensive) package.

/end rant.
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So if I read that right, windows won't allow IRM protected files onto anything other than windows based machines?
 

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