Woosha

[ONE EYE]

I am absolutely fed up with this selection process for the new Coach. The process begun far to late, It has taken far to long and is now way to public. It has reflected very poorly on the Club. I was happy them not saying anything and just announcing the decision.

After all of the past weeks speculation over who got the job Craig didnt want the job (He said he wasnt offered it formally anyway), Hutchison has pulled out and Worsfold seems to want to Coach the Dockers more than he does the Eagles.

Footy is a passionate game. Despite many players blackmailing the Clubs for a better deal the fans stand by the Club and its players. Through thick and thin. We dont deserve John Worsfolds comments today. What is the point of continuing the process with the Dockers Coaching position if he has been offered the Eagles job. Why apply for the Eagles position at all if he really wanted the Dockers job? I just feel now we are his second preference.

Woosha has been offered the job. But in the last 24 hours he has said far to much to the media. He should just shut up! I have great respect for him. I would love him to Coach my Team and do well. But he is doing damage to the respect we hold for him. It was the Supporters who pushed for him to be offered the job because he is our Favourite Son. But now he is running a Dutch Auction between the Eagles and the Dockers. Now he has been offered the Coaching job he should discontinue with the Dockers process. He should be honoured to Coach this Club. His old Club. My impression is he wants more money or really wants to Coach the Dockers more than he wants to Coach the Eagles.

Remember through this whole saga he was my preference. But now I will grab a bit of reality. Woosha is young and inexperienced when it comes to managing people. That is the people within the Club as well as the Players. Its more what John brings to the Club in regards maintaining the winning culture and blending that together with all the people at the Club. Woosha on his own will not bring success and stability to our Club.

I reckon the Eagles should give him an ultimatum. Sign tomorrow or he can get stuffed.

He should show some allegance to the Eagles when the Club needs rebuilding. If he does end up signing for the Dockers, now he has been offered the Eagles job, I will never forgive him. Its not the issue of Coaching our Enemy but treating us as his second preference.

Sorry everyone that this is a bit heavy.

GO EAGLES!

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

I 100% agree. And like I said in an earlier post, i don't care who he is, whether it be our greatest captain, our greatest player or our greatest coach, if they hold the eagles to ransom they can get stuffed!!

I support the WCE, and no one man will ever hold more importance to me than the WCE!! If he doesn't accept by tomorrow noon, i say we should just go with Micale. His demands are a joke, his credentials are a joke, and if he seriously thinks he can get the job at freo over Connolly then he is a joke.

I wanted him to coach the eagles so badly, to me he was our messiah. But now, I'm not so sure. I prefer Craig, and the WCE should offer him a new contract, maybe offer him more money. I'm sure if his family saw $600,000 they would sign the dotted line for him.

 

[jod23]

I also agree...if he signs with Freo i will be very very disappointed. Still i think he is just having doubts about taking on a senior coaches position, add to that the added pressure of being a great of the club. Must be a tough decision to take it on but i will say again if he goes with Freo i may not forgive him!

 

[bunsen burner]

Has anyone considered John Worsfold here? This is a make-or-break time for him. He must weigh up his options with his head, more than his heart.

If Woosha is holding the club to ransom, then aren't some people on this forum holding John Worsfold to ransom?


My gut feeling is he will sign with the Eagles, but he'd be a fool not to look at what the Dockers are offering.

 

[eagleskickass]

I must agree with Bumsen Here. After his playing career he has decided to be a coach. For this career to work out he has to choose the best option. I'm sure he'd LOVE to coach the Eagles, but as bunsen said, he MUSt look at all his options!

 

[Voice of Reason]

Woosha is entitled to consider all job options like anyone else who has applied for a number of positions and I suggest that you are all getting way too emotional about all this. That helps no one - the club, the fans, Woosha or the players.

Don't blame the Eagles or Woosha for the media coverage. Damned if they do, damned if they don't. If you say something, they twist it. If they say nothing, the media make it up. In Perth, supposedly, the Eagles have offered the job to Craig, Hutchison, Woosha and my Mum. This is crap. Kim Hagdorn is a tosser and Ken Judge's lovechild. This is the man who said Daniel Kerr would leave unless Ken Judge was kept. That was crap too. Don't believe it. Don't be destabilised by this bull****.

BTW, if Woosha does take your advice and get stuffed, who will be our next coach? Micale? John Todd? Bernd Stange? That American guy who grinned a lot at the Wildcats years ago (Murray?)?

 

[Goldenblue]

I agree with many points on this thread, however, I shall speak my 2 cents worth.

1. I agree Worsfold must keep his options open as it is his future he is looking at too. However, I think Woosha should have used a little coyness on his options and should have said nothing. It does sound as if he wants the Shockers job more than the WC job, but he shoulf have kept his cards to himself and away from the media.

2. The whole process was way too long, it should have been done a lot earlier and if Woosha does take Freo, then we have to accept Connelly or Hutchinson and in many fans eyes, that will be second best. Too little too late.

3. Kim Hagdorn is a tosser and Ken Judge's lovechild.


from a personal point of view, I hope Woosha does coach the WCE, but if he dont, I know I will be bitterly disappointed.

 

[WA]

Hadn't read this thread, probably should have posted this here...

"Anyone would make sure they had fully explored all options before taking a role. It's no different to someone applying for 2 'normal' jobs and having to make a decision as to what works best for them.

Of course we all want Worsfold at the club and I am sure deep down he wants to be there too. But, why should we expect him to accept the role as soon as it's offered to him, when we didn't automatically offer it to him when it became available? 'Loyality' goes both ways. I think its a little arrogant on WC's behalf to assume he'd jump as soon as he was given the offer."

 

[jod23]

I dont want Whoosha as coach if he decides to come in and ask Jako, Roo and Milli to retire. Apparently and again this is only from the media but he has issues with coaching former team mates. He said he hasnt played with anyone at Freo so it would be easier to just come i and be coach.

Well if Whoosha's plan is to remove all our experienced players then i think it is a bad move.

 

[Loz]

My gut feeling is that ex-players should never ever coach their club that they played for ... in many cases they simply were not the most appropiate candiate (remember how Brisbane overlooked Wayne Brittain in 1998 for favorite son Roger Merrett) besides Worsfold isn't dumb, he must realize that Freo has a far stronger list and brighter future than WCE.

 

[bunsen burner]

My mail is that Woosha accepted the job at around midday.

 

[Mr Eagle]

Originally posted by Loz
he must realize that Freo has a far stronger list and brighter future than WCE.

But at West Coast we will be much more willing to tolerate poor results. The fans' love for Woosha as our premiership captain will put extra pressure on the board to give him time to do what we all know has to be done, but can't always be done without a large downturn in the process - rebuilding.

At Freo, he will simply be another coach...and we know how much Freo love hanging onto coaches...

 

[Loz]

Prior to Malthouse, WCE didn't have a great long record with coaches either. Ron Alexander, and John Todd (and now Ken Judge) didn't last long at their post whereas on the other hand Neesham was given 4 years at Freo, and Drum 2 and a 1/2 years.
SO that argument isn't really legitimate Mr Eagle

 

[Mr Eagle]

Originally posted by Loz
Prior to Malthouse, WCE didn't have a great long record with coaches either. Ron Alexander, and John Todd (and now Ken Judge) didn't last long at their post whereas on the other hand Neesham was given 4 years at Freo, and Drum 2 and a 1/2 years.
SO that argument isn't really legitimate Mr Eagle

I'm not saying that West Coast is any better (as you point out quite rightly) but at least at West Coast Worsfold will have the protection of his reputation with the fans.

At Freo he would be open to the fickleness that seems to pervade both clubs when they can't get results. Freo is not in a position to tolerate anything short of strong improvement right now, they've been screwing around for six years and they need to start having a real impact on the field.

 

[Loz]

Yes but his playing record at Richmond didn't save Kevin Bartlett from the chop there. In any case I don't think Worsfold is ready enough to be a coach. I think you need to serve 3 - 4 years minimum in order to get expereince

 

[Mr Eagle]

Originally posted by Loz
Yes but his playing record at Richmond didn't save Kevin Bartlett from the chop there.

Richmond? Oh there's a club that shows faith in its coaches in difficult times

 

[FreoDocker]

You've gotta think about Worsfold and whats best for him.
In my opinion he shouldn't Coach the eagles yet.......
Maybe it's better to stay a WCE favourite son and not return to the club too soon a la Kevin Bartlett at Richmond.
Lets not forget... Ken Judge came back to Coach the eagles with a long term rebuilding process, stepped into an aging team and two years later the eagles sack him.
Now Judge's coaching career is in tatters.

Bottom line:
If the eagles do take on worsfold as their coach, they've gotta have faith in him, or risk alienating one of their favourite sons.

 

[Voice of Reason]

Judge was the wrong appointment and was going nowhere.

We will give Woosha the time he needs to rebuild.

So you Docker fans can just settle down in the corner and look at your "far better list and brighter future". Ho Ho Ho No.

 

[GoEagles]

I think we can all agree that the biggest difference between Judge and Woosha is that the players will listen and respect Woosha and he'll be able to get more out of our players then Judge ever did.

 

[nearlyblonde]

On the Docker board they make quite a thing about the "Fremantle" people (who we don`t revere an certainly don`t deserve) we have on our list. I used to just smile quietly and press on with other things. However, much to my dismay, events over the past few days have shown that there really is an element of Freoism in John Worsfold`s handling of the coaching saga..no class at all.

I have been infuriated with that apparent attitude that whilst we are not first choice we will do, purely as a means to an end to begin his elite level coaching career. I COULD JUST SCREAM!!!!

The absolutely worst aspect however, is that he has provided the rabid element of Docker posters with enough ammunition to last a very loooong time. A pox on him!!!

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Originally posted by nearlyblonde
On the Docker board they make quite a thing about the "Fremantle" people (who we don`t revere an certainly don`t deserve) we have on our list. I used to just smile quietly and press on with other things. However, much to my dismay, events over the past few days have shown that there really is an element of Freoism in John Worsfold`s handling of the coaching saga..no class at all.

I have been infuriated with that apparent attitude that whilst we are not first choice we will do, purely as a means to an end to begin his elite level coaching career. I COULD JUST SCREAM!!!!

The absolutely worst aspect however, is that he has provided the rabid element of Docker posters with enough ammunition to last a very loooong time. A pox on him!!!

Yup, same feelings here. Somehow, unless he does something special at the club, i will never look at him as a true eagle.... at least not in the same mould as Jakovich, Bluey, McIntosh and Kemp.

 

[FreoDocker]

This isn't about the eagles vs the dockers, it's about whoosha. He wants the best possible option for his own future. I just hope for his sake that in taking up the West Coast position the eagles board give him their full support and time to rebuild.
And don't give me this eagles dockers *bollocks I want to see the eagles and the dockers improve, then it'll give fans on both sides a much greater meaning for the durby, ... as in rather than who will finish on the bottom ..... who will finish in the 8.

The main thing is I'm wanting WA footy to improve as a whole.
That means eagles and dockers alike

 

[FreoDocker]

daddy 4 eyes ....
I think that maybe thats one of the things that was playing on worsfolds mind... if in 2 - 3 years time he can't manage to start to rebuild the eagles and is sacked, will the fans still see him in the same light as before.
I'm not saying that he should coach the dockers (I want connoly to), but to critisize the guy for taking a bit of time to assess his options is pretty unfair.
But I do agree that he will command more respect from the players as someone said earlier.

 

[daddy_4_eyes]

Originally posted by FreoDocker
......but to critisize the guy for taking a bit of time to assess his options is pretty unfair.

That wasn't why a lot of us were angry. Because it is perfectly understandable that he would want a bit of time to make the decision.

Its the comments he made that ticked us all off. When you get offered a job, you don't say "i'll wait and see what the other team offers me". You go home quietly and do what you must in privacy.

Also, why did he need time to consider the job offer? Didn't he know that if you make a job application there is a chance you will get the job? If you are going to apply for a job, you might as well decide before hand whether or not you are ready for it.

 

[FreoDocker]

Fair enough

The one think I think played on his mind was the amount of pressure being placed on him ... like he was going to be the saviour of the eagles.

From what I was hearing on the radio people were talking like bringing whoosha in was going to improve the eagles 2 fold.

But yeh I do agree with you that he did seek to clarify his position in the freo coaching race, but think of it like this....

If you were given the oppertunity of taking up 1 of 2 jobs, you would see which position would offer you the most attractive option.
The dockers would only offer whoosha a 2 year deal with an option for a third year and even then there was no garantee that he'd get selected over Connoly, Where as the eagles offered him a three year deal and a good pay package. So after checking his position in the Dockers race this morning, he decided to take the best offer presented to him ... The eagles offer.

what do u think?