Worst list management decisions...

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

All clubs have made them but which are the ones that really hurt a club?

Both the Hawks and the Pies made bad choices in Vickery and Mayne, but neither has had or will have a long term impact. Not sure what the Pies were thinking with Mayne, but with Ceglar out with a serious knee injury and no-one knowing if and how Rough would return, Vickery was handy insurance who turned out to be not so handy.

Some will point the finger at the Bulldogs for their Boyd deal, but for a club that went a long time without a flag, Boyd was an instrumental part, particularly on Grand Final day, in getting them a flag, so I don't see that being a bad decision.

For mine, it's got to be the Swans. No, not the Tippett or Franklin deals, but the choice to extend both Jack's and Rohan's contracts and then not have the money to keep Tom Mitchell. Jack looks absolutely cooked and Rohan has averaged a staggeringly-low 9.97 touches through-out his 100 game career. To put it into context, people say Cyril doesn't get enough of it and he averages 50% more of the ball than Rohan, plus the tackles, goals, delcisiousness, etc.

Now my mate 'Jerry the Swan', who used to support the Eagles, said that Mitchell "has little impact on games". I'd suggest that Jerry needs to get over the offended posts on the Swans board, for letting Mitchell walk for pick 14, and acknowledge that Tommy 'Gun' Mitchell received the fifth most coaches votes last year and was an All Australian, and is equal first for coaches votes with Nat Fyfe this year. The coaches obviously feel he impacts games, Jerry. Even Nathan corrected himself after Mitchell tore the Pies apart in Round 1 this year.

So, are there any list management mistakes that rival this beauty by Horse and Harley?

 

[Vikingblood]

Appointing Dodo.

 

[LETSGOKANGAS]

 

[Mofra]

Steven O'Reilly to Carlton owns this thread.

 

[Vikingblood]

Steven O'Reilly to Carlton owns this thread.

I think Tambling to the Crows is up there along with Jack Anthony to Fremantle.
Stringer to Essendon has potential to make the list.

 

[Mofra]

I think Tambling to the Crows is up there along with Jack Anthony to Fremantle.
Stringer to Essendon has potential to make the list.

Weaver summed it up beautifully:

Worst trade ever? That's easy. Pick 16 and 46 for Stephen O'Reilly who played 12 games for you. AND you had to pay him illegally outside the cap. AND he blew the whistle on you. AND you had to pay a fine. AND you got kicked out of the draft and had to recruit hacks. AND it meant that your multi-million investment in Denis Pagan was a waste because he had no players.
Stephen O'Reilly for - Pick 16, pick 46, $1m fine, pick 1, 2, 17 and 33 in the 2003 draft, pick 1 in the 2003 PSD, 1st and 2nd round picks in the 2004 draft.

 

[David Schwarz]

The two people that Zantuck was a decent forward proposition need to be taken out the back of the farm

Just tell the kids they're going to a happier place

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Weaver summed it up beautifully:

Worst trade ever? That's easy. Pick 16 and 46 for Stephen O'Reilly who played 12 games for you. AND you had to pay him illegally outside the cap. AND he blew the whistle on you. AND you had to pay a fine. AND you got kicked out of the draft and had to recruit hacks. AND it meant that your multi-million investment in Denis Pagan was a waste because he had no players.
Stephen O'Reilly for - Pick 16, pick 46, $1m fine, pick 1, 2, 17 and 33 in the 2003 draft, pick 1 in the 2003 PSD, 1st and 2nd round picks in the 2004 draft.

Horse and Harley starting to breathe easier... knew the Blues did the O'Rielly deal badly, but didn't realise it was that bad. I don't think they can look back and assess the Judd deal as anything but bad business too.

 

[i am a logo]

All clubs have made them but which are the ones that really hurt a club?

Dogs could be on their way to a three-peat right now if they didn't delist Liam Jones

 

[HairyO]

These ones arent really bad for the Hawks because neither would be getting a game now, but are certainly good for the Roos.

Like when we got Gibbo and Hale, who werent getting consistent games in the Seniors.

 

[Geelong Dynasty]

 

[Geelong Dynasty]

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

He was a Hawks rookie and Ross Lyin promised him that if he walked away from the Hawks, Ross would draft him and put him on their main list.

Ross rookied him, didn't play him and he ended up in the WAFL.

Am really glad he has been able to live his AFL dream.

 

[mike123]

Delisting Marley Williams, we now have a huge hole in the small defender department.

 

[harry000]

Surely the Exers have to rate a mention here.

 

[Damp Squarie]

Carey, Burns, & Tambling for the Crows; although you could make an argument for all of the sooky-la-las that have gone home to Mummy's apron strings.

 

[Collins-Langford-Ayres]

Delisting Marley Williams, we now have a huge hole in the small defender department.

Wasn't he pushed out of the club because of numerous off-field 'incidents*' that the club became fed-up with?

For the longer term culture of the club, probably a good list management decision.

Or you could do a Sydney and tell everyone he has heal or groin problem, week after week, and pretend there isn't an issue...

 

[mike123]

Wasn't he pushed out of the club because of numerous off-field 'incidents*' that the club became fed-up with?

For the longer term culture of the club, probably a good list management decision.

Or you could do a Sydney and tell everyone he has heal or groin problem, week after week, and pretend there isn't an issue...

Still should have done allot more to get value out him.

 

[Vikingblood]

Weaver summed it up beautifully:

Worst trade ever? That's easy. Pick 16 and 46 for Stephen O'Reilly who played 12 games for you. AND you had to pay him illegally outside the cap. AND he blew the whistle on you. AND you had to pay a fine. AND you got kicked out of the draft and had to recruit hacks. AND it meant that your multi-million investment in Denis Pagan was a waste because he had no players.
Stephen O'Reilly for - Pick 16, pick 46, $1m fine, pick 1, 2, 17 and 33 in the 2003 draft, pick 1 in the 2003 PSD, 1st and 2nd round picks in the 2004 draft.

You're right pretty hard to top that. Arguably though, Freo giving up McLeod for Chris Groom is a strong contender. Groom played a handful of games, McLeod 2 x Norm Smiths, 2 x Premierships, Multiple AA's, should have had a Brownlow in 2001 (ironically robbed by getting zero votes from 39 possessions against Freo). That Neesham really knew his footy.

 

[LC_15]

Weaver summed it up beautifully:

Worst trade ever? That's easy. Pick 16 and 46 for Stephen O'Reilly who played 12 games for you. AND you had to pay him illegally outside the cap. AND he blew the whistle on you. AND you had to pay a fine. AND you got kicked out of the draft and had to recruit hacks. AND it meant that your multi-million investment in Denis Pagan was a waste because he had no players.
Stephen O'Reilly for - Pick 16, pick 46, $1m fine, pick 1, 2, 17 and 33 in the 2003 draft, pick 1 in the 2003 PSD, 1st and 2nd round picks in the 2004 draft.

That burnt a Carlton supporter so bad he never returned

 

[Laphroaig]

Steven O'Reilly to Carlton owns this thread.

We've had a few others that go close since then.

 

[JoseMourinho]

 

[JoseMourinho]

Weaver summed it up beautifully:

Worst trade ever? That's easy. Pick 16 and 46 for Stephen O'Reilly who played 12 games for you. AND you had to pay him illegally outside the cap. AND he blew the whistle on you. AND you had to pay a fine. AND you got kicked out of the draft and had to recruit hacks. AND it meant that your multi-million investment in Denis Pagan was a waste because he had no players.
Stephen O'Reilly for - Pick 16, pick 46, $1m fine, pick 1, 2, 17 and 33 in the 2003 draft, pick 1 in the 2003 PSD, 1st and 2nd round picks in the 2004 draft.

Fremantle's Trade Table pre 2013 looks genius in comparison to Carlton.

 

[Laphroaig]

Oh dear. A thinly disguised masturbation session with a Hawthorn scarf wrapped around the meat and two veg.

with Ceglar out with a serious knee injury and no-one knowing if and how Rough would return, Vickery was handy insurance who turned out to be not so handy.

What a lot of revisionist bullshit. You don't pay an "insurance" player a 500k signing bonus. Vickery was played in the same team as Roughead for the first 8(?) games of the season until he proved to Hawthorn what everyone else knew. He's shit.

the choice to extend both Jack's and Rohan's contracts and then not have the money to keep Tom Mitchell.

First, I think you'll find that's not the reason.

Second, here's a rare picture of Mitchell and O'Meara combining on field.

Mitchell is the one going around the back for a meaningless one-two stat pad.

Third. For rank stupidity we've got the Swans covered comfortably - deciding that both Jacobs and Betts were not worth keeping and giving them away to Adelaide for a packet of stale chips. Especially Jacobs, who had to go so we could keep **** ing Hampson.

 

[Bont2Bruce]

Fevola to Brisbane is right up there with the worst list management decisions.

So much collateral damage, including the coach.