X Box 360 Vs. PS3

[ben_cats_fan]

I bought a 360 about 6 months after it came out and bought a PS3 most recently. Both are absolutely amazing, particularly as my parents would never buy me a PS1 (was stuck with a Sega Master-system!) At this stage, I have no reason to get rid of the 360, rather, due to a lack of games on the PS3 I am more inclined to keep it than anything.

They are both really good, and it looks great having a PS3 & 360 plugged into my component 1 & component 2 in my t.v. The best of both worlds

 

[Karl Pilkington]

I've got both consoles, the elite 360 and the ps3 60gig, and as a piece of hardware the ps3 is streets ahead. no 360 game is even close to running graphics as good as Heavenly Sword, for example (even though the game itself was way too repetitive).

As far as games available, 360 takes it at the moment, but there's a lot of people claiming games here as 360 exclusives when they're nothing of the sort.

Gears of War - available on PC
bioshock - available on PC
Mass Effect (which is by far, the WORST of bioware's rpg's btw) - will be available on PC
Halo3 will probably end up on PC as well.

People need to learn the true meaning of the term exclusive.

FWIW - the thing that irritiates me the most about my 360 (apart from noise being comparable to that of a jet engine) is that dual console games invariably get dumbed down or lose content.

mass Effect could have been a brilliant game, but every single ship you go into, or mine or dungeon or whatever you want to call them - is exactly the same - largely due to the constraints placed on 360 games not being able to rely on a HDD being available or a disc size of bigger than 8gig - games that COULD have been incredible, are invariably ending up far, far too short or with severe limitations.

GTA4 will be the next victim of this imo - which is a massive let down. the fact is, you simply can't have true HD games (which the 360 is actually incapable of anyway) with just 8 gigs to work with.

Which is why rockStar are building their next sandbox title (yet to be titled crime game based in LA in the 60's) to be PS3 exclusive.

In summary, 360 offers some good games to play at the moment, and has a superior online experience.

PS3 has better exclusive titles (gran turismo, final fantasy, metal gear solid) but currently none of them are out - haha - and is a better all around machine.

As for price - 60gigps3 was what, $1,000? Xbox 360 elite $700. Add wireless modem + $100 + recharageable cords for two controllers $40 + HD-DVD (almost obsolete technology though now) + $250 and it's clear the 360 is more expensive, without factoring in teh online costs (which are worth every penny).

The 360 is a typical american appliance designed to last 5 years at best. the ps3 is a typical japanese appliance designed to last for ten years or more.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

oh, as for controllers, give me the 360's any day of the week. It's better by a mile, the ps3 one is too light and the sixaxis crap is just a pain.

360's is better for fps, but console FPS gaming is teh ghey - it's all nubbins. Halo 3 is possibly the most over rated thing I've ever played. Team Fortress 2 on PC is where it's at.

 

[Deledio2Conca]

Thanks to everyone that responded to my original question, still unsure which console i'll get...but kinda leaning towards a 360 at the moment.



What's wrong with it?

I'm in the same boat as you mate, and I too am leaning towards a 360, mostly because of price. Never owned an Xbox before, so it will be a new experience for me if I decide to go that way. I reckon if the PS3 was within $100 of the 360 I'd go the PS3, but I don't think it is so looks like I'll be going a 360.

 

[Deledio2Conca]

I've got both consoles, the elite 360 and the ps3 60gig, and as a piece of hardware the ps3 is streets ahead. no 360 game is even close to running graphics as good as Heavenly Sword, for example (even though the game itself was way too repetitive).

As far as games available, 360 takes it at the moment, but there's a lot of people claiming games here as 360 exclusives when they're nothing of the sort.

Gears of War - available on PC
bioshock - available on PC
Mass Effect (which is by far, the WORST of bioware's rpg's btw) - will be available on PC
Halo3 will probably end up on PC as well.

People need to learn the true meaning of the term exclusive.

FWIW - the thing that irritiates me the most about my 360 (apart from noise being comparable to that of a jet engine) is that dual console games invariably get dumbed down or lose content.

mass Effect could have been a brilliant game, but every single ship you go into, or mine or dungeon or whatever you want to call them - is exactly the same - largely due to the constraints placed on 360 games not being able to rely on a HDD being available or a disc size of bigger than 8gig - games that COULD have been incredible, are invariably ending up far, far too short or with severe limitations.

GTA4 will be the next victim of this imo - which is a massive let down. the fact is, you simply can't have true HD games (which the 360 is actually incapable of anyway) with just 8 gigs to work with.

Which is why rockStar are building their next sandbox title (yet to be titled crime game based in LA in the 60's) to be PS3 exclusive.

In summary, 360 offers some good games to play at the moment, and has a superior online experience.

PS3 has better exclusive titles (gran turismo, final fantasy, metal gear solid) but currently none of them are out - haha - and is a better all around machine.

As for price - 60gigps3 was what, $1,000? Xbox 360 elite $700. Add wireless modem + $100 + recharageable cords for two controllers $40 + HD-DVD (almost obsolete technology though now) + $250 and it's clear the 360 is more expensive, without factoring in teh online costs (which are worth every penny).

The 360 is a typical american appliance designed to last 5 years at best. the ps3 is a typical japanese appliance designed to last for ten years or more.

Now after reading that I really don't know which way to go

 

[Mancey]

Gears of War - available on PC
bioshock - available on PC
Mass Effect (which is by far, the WORST of bioware's rpg's btw) - will be available on PC
Halo3 will probably end up on PC as well.

Obviously 360 exclusive games are going to make it onto windows, the 360 is a microsoft product Its a console exclusive, which is all that matters to most console gamers.

As for mass effect, its awesome. FAir comment about there only being like 4 generic areas to complete in side missions, much like every cave in oblivion is identical. But in the end i still found them enjoyable, and they are side missions, you don't have to do them.

All the story mission areas are unique and very well done.

Saying its biowares worst, is very subjective, and not a view shared by too many people on gaming forums i've visited. I'm enjoying it far more than KOTOr, mainly due to the combat, and thats a pretty common sentiment.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Obviously 360 exclusive games are going to make it onto windows, the 360 is a microsoft product Its a console exclusive, which is all that matters to most console gamers.

As for mass effect, its awesome. FAir comment about there only being like 4 generic areas to complete in side missions, much like every cave in oblivion is identical. But in the end i still found them enjoyable, and they are side missions, you don't have to do them.

All the story mission areas are unique and very well done.

Saying its biowares worst, is very subjective, and not a view shared by too many people on gaming forums i've visited. I'm enjoying it far more than KOTOr, mainly due to the combat, and thats a pretty common sentiment.

KOTOR is widely considered a top ten game of all time. I don't think many people, especially Bioware fans, consider Mass Effect one of their best efforts.

I'd definitely have the Baldurs Gate games, Jade Empire and KOTOR ahead of ME. The combat is ok but not as strategic as KOTOR or anywhere near as fun as Jade Empire.

As for exclusivity, I would wager most people posting on the internet would have access to a PC and are possibly able to play games on that PC.

If exclusivity is being discussed, consider it from teh perspective of someone with a PC already. If you can play a lot of the best 360 games on PC already, the PS3 suddenly becomes much more attractive, as the PS3 exclusives are TRUE exclusives.

If you dont' have a gaming PC, then fair enough, the 360 games are "console exclsuive"

 

[Mancey]

I think its a fair call to say not many folk have a pc with enough grunt to run something like Bioshock at anything close to the high end of its settings.

And do a search on mass effect on a few gaming forums, its had a very favourable reception from bioware fans

 

[Karl Pilkington]

I think its a fair call to say not many folk have a pc with enough grunt to run something like Bioshock at anything close to the high end of its settings.

And do a search on mass effect on a few gaming forums, its had a very favourable reception from bioware fans

It's not really that fair to assume that, no. i mean, if someone can spend a thousand on a console and a few games, they could just as easily upgrade their pc and play those very same games with additional content, better graphics and with more skilled players online

 

[Mancey]

I guess they could, but not many people can be stuffed upgrading their graphics cards every 6 months to play the next big game.

I guess thats why consoles are so popular.

As for skilled gamers, watch a MLG game of halo and tell me those guys aren't skilled.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

I guess they could, but not many people can be stuffed upgrading their graphics cards every 6 months to play the next big game.

I guess thats why consoles are so popular.

As for skilled gamers, watch a MLG game of halo and tell me those guys aren't skilled.

they're skilled in comparison to other Halo players. But compare them to some of the counter strike clans... you simply can't get the same level of precision on consoles as you do on PC.

Oh also, I've read somewhere that PS3 can indeed play back .avi's - I'll post the article on how to do it for anyone interested. One of the advantages of superior hardware I guess

 

[whelan=legend]

Superior hardware? Too bad its yet to show it. Too bad dual console game such as Orange Box score about 16% lower. Assassins creed, lower.

The one advantage 360 will always have is the ps3's cell is so complex that for many of the dual console titles they will just be ported from 360 to ps3.

PS3 exclusives have so far been nothing special at all

 

[Mancey]

they're skilled in comparison to other Halo players. But compare them to some of the counter strike clans... you simply can't get the same level of precision on consoles as you do on PC.

Oh also, I've read somewhere that PS3 can indeed play back .avi's - I'll post the article on how to do it for anyone interested. One of the advantages of superior hardware I guess

Is it using a streaming program from a pc, like tversity or nero? Both consoles have been able to do that since launch. The quality however is poor.

And the MLG players do it for a living dude, i'd say they're pretty skilled

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Is it using a streaming program from a pc, like tversity or nero? Both consoles have been able to do that since launch. The quality however is poor.

And the MLG players do it for a living dude, i'd say they're pretty skilled

Halo 3 as a game, lacks skill. You don't need as much skill to be good at Halo, as you do to be good at counterstrike, or Team Fortress 2. There's been pro-gaming on PC for nearly a decade now.

Halo 3 is not a great game. It is not skillful, it is not well designed. It's online functionality is brilliant though, with the match making function etc. it uses.

IMO Halo 3 is about the 5th best FPS game released this year. And being on 360, and being controlled with a handheld controller, it lacks good players.

 

[Mancey]

That is such crap.

You go on Halo and play against a couple of Colonels, Brigadiers or a General. You would be handed your arse on a plate. I guess you've never played the game, or made this assessment after playing it as a trueskill 1 for a couple of games. Try levelling up to a 30 and see how unskilled people are.

The fact you need a controller to play it suggests to me that it requires a hell of a lot more skill than pointing and clicking with a mouse.

Sniping a guy in the head across a map with a controller...thats skill.

If only it was easy to be good at halo, i'd be a trueskill 50, instead of a very average 23.

People who hate on halo generally just really suck at it

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Superior hardware? Too bad its yet to show it. Too bad dual console game such as Orange Box score about 16% lower. Assassins creed, lower.

The one advantage 360 will always have is the ps3's cell is so complex that for many of the dual console titles they will just be ported from 360 to ps3.

PS3 exclusives have so far been nothing special at all

Name one 360 game that looks better than Heavenly Sword.

the exclusives thus far haven't been great, I agree. Ratchet and Clank and Drake's are both very, very good games, but hardly system-sellers.

though now 360 has fired it's salvo of exclusives it's time for ps3 to answer back with their bigger names like God of War, MGS, Final fantasy etc. - it will be very interesting to see if Microsoft has done enough damage to maintain control in North America (they've well and truly lost Asia already), especially with blu-ray sales dominating HD-DVD (or HD-Dud as most call it).

I wouldn't say teh complexity of the cell is an advantage for 360. It's much easier for dev's to convert FROM PS3 to 360 (especially considering the poor results when trying to upscale a 360 game to a ps3) it's just cheaper to design on 360 at the moment (and more logical considering the higher number of units sold).

the problem I have with the 360 is that it isn't really a next-gen machine. It has no HDD (i.e. from a dev's point of view, they ahve to work to the lowest specs) and can't run in HD. It's a machine designed to be obsolete fairly soon.

And in my honest opinion I'd wager it's because Microsoft want to stifle blu-ray more than anything, and releasing a cheaper, more accessible machine with glaringly obvious shortcomings was a good strategy to try and minimise the market penetration of Blu-Ray.

Microsfot don't want HD-DVD to win that war, they want NETIHER side to win, so that when they unveil their digital distribution system in the next year or so, there won't already be a well established, dominant technology for people wanting to watch movies in HD.

Now that's a good business strategy, but the problem I have with it is that we're getting games that appear to be next gen on the surface, but are being limited in their scope by poor hardware.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

That is such crap.

You go on Halo and play against a couple of Colonels, Brigadiers or a General. You would be handed your arse on a plate. I guess you've never played the game, or made this assessment after playing it as a trueskill 1 for a couple of games. Try levelling up to a 30 and see how unskilled people are.

The fact you need a controller to play it suggests to me that it requires a hell of a lot more skill than pointing and clicking with a mouse.

Sniping a guy in the head across a map with a controller...thats skill.

If only it was easy to be good at halo, i'd be a trueskill 50, instead of a very average 23.

People who hate on halo generally just really suck at it

I was a trueskill 27 before I stopped playing. I hate on halo because it isn't a very good game. It's run-of-the-mill. Simple as that.

It might be harder to use a controller, but that doesn't mean it's more skillful.

I dont' think you understand my point, you could be a trueskill 50 or a 1, but the GAME is flawed, you're just operating within that same sphere of flawed gaming. some of you might be better at negotiating poor controls, that doesn't make you skilled. The control method is flawed in general.

Anyone who plays a lot of FPS will tell you console FPS games are largely a joke.

TF2, unreal3, COD4 and Bioshock were all better than Halo3 this year. And I haven't played Half-Life 2 ep 2 yet, but I'd wager it's better as well.

 

[Mancey]

Name one 360 game that looks better than Heavenly Sword.

Who cares, its a super ordinary, highly repetitive, boring game.

the problem I have with the 360 is that it isn't really a next-gen machine. It has no HDD

eh?

and can't run in HD.

You can run 1080p with a 360.Where are you getting your (completely wrong) info from.

And most people who buy gaming consoles couldn't give a rats about high def DVD.

I find it funny that gaming snobs continue to hate on halo. The game sold more copies than any other game this year by so much it isn't funny. You don't do that if your product is crap, no matter how good the marketing.

Its also still the number 1 played game on xbox live.

There are far more people out there enjoying it than hating on it, thats for sure.

Frankly comparing PC gaming to console gaming in this thread is off topic anyway.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Who cares, its a super ordinary, highly repetitive, boring game.

whelan does, he was commenting on graphics. I pointed out something factual to him.

You can run 1080p with a 360.Where are you getting your (completely wrong) info from.

Incorrect, the 360 "fakes" 1080p. Halo 3, for example only actualyl runs in 640p.

And most people who buy gaming consoles couldn't give a rats about high def DVD.

they should when the Hi-def war is resulting in sub-par gaming

 

[Karl Pilkington]

I find it funny that gaming snobs continue to hate on halo. The game sold more copies than any other game this year by so much it isn't funny. You don't do that if your product is crap, no matter how good the marketing.

Its also still the number 1 played game on xbox live.

There are far more people out there enjoying it than hating on it, thats for sure.

Frankly comparing PC gaming to console gaming in this thread is off topic anyway.

More people voted for George Bush as President, doesn't mean he's a good leader.

I never said Halo was crap, I just said it's about the 5th or 6th best FPS released this year. A lot of people who play Halo 3 enjoy it, that's all that matters in the long run. It's a well designed game for what it is - a run of hte mill shooter with an easily accessible online facility.

teh comparison isn't off topic. Most of the 360's big games are on PC, and also FPS games.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

eh?

The base model 360 has no HDD. Therefore all 360 games have to be designed as if there is no HDD.

understand?

 

[Mancey]

Incorrect, the 360 "fakes" 1080p. Halo 3, for example only actualyl runs in 640p.

Common misconception, usually from ps3 fanboys. The subject has been done to death.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163303

Halo 3 actually uses 2 x 640 pixel buffers in order to increase dynamic range. Thats the reason it has pretty much the most awesome lighting ever seen in a game.

Frank at Bungie stated

Making this decision simpler still is the fact that the 360 scales the 'almost-720p' image effortlessly all the way up to 1080p if you so desire. In fact, if you do a comparison shot between the native 1152x640 image and the scaled 1280x720, it's practically impossible to discern the difference." On the subject of why this wasn't already addressed, he commented the news would only have "distracted conversation away from more important aspects of the game, and given tinfoil hats some new gristle to chew on as they catalogued their toenail clippings."

Seems pretty accurate. Its just nerds trying to find a bone to pick in the 99% inaccurate hate campaign. Its gets pretty lame after a while, especially when H3 continues to dominate the Marketplace.

 

[Mancey]

The base model 360 has no HDD. Therefore all 360 games have to be designed as if there is no HDD.

understand?

No not really. There's a fair few 360 games where you cannot use all the games features when its played on a core/arcade system with no HDD.

You may be able to play the base game, but you need a HDD enabled console to take advantage certain things.

Thats the decision you make when you choose to pay less for a base system. At least the 360 gives you that choice.

Understand?

This is getting way to nerdy for me. I really do get sick of all this fanboyism that goes with console arguements. Almost all the points one eyed people make can be refuted and it just gets really dull.

The 360 has a array of fantastic games that you cannot get on the ps3, certainly far more than ps3 games you can't get on the 360. That said, I'm not a one eyed gamer, i've owned a ps and a ps2, and i will buy a ps3 when/if it lives up to its potential and gets some decent games available that i can't play on 360.

Thats what it comes down to, personal choice. Look at the games available, and buy the console that has the most exclusive games that appeal to you. Technical specs etc mean very little, it really comes down to buying the console that has the games you like, thats what i did and i certainly made the right choice with the 360

 

[Karl Pilkington]

No not really. There's a fair few 360 games where you cannot use all the games features when its played on a core/arcade system with no HDD.

You may be able to play the base game, but you need a HDD enabled console to take advantage certain things.

Thats the decision you make when you choose to pay less for a base system. At least the 360 gives you that choice.

Understand?

This is getting way to nerdy for me. I really do get sick of all this fanboyism that goes with console arguements. Almost all the points one eyed people make can be refuted and it just gets really dull.

The 360 has a array of fantastic games that you cannot get on the ps3, certainly far more than ps3 games you can't get on the 360. That said, I'm not a one eyed gamer, i've owned a ps and a ps2, and i will buy a ps3 when/if it lives up to its potential and gets some decent games available that i can't play on 360.

Thats what it comes down to, personal choice. Look at the games available, and buy the console that has the most exclusive games that appeal to you. Technical specs etc mean very little, it really comes down to buying the console that has the games you like, thats what i did and i certainly made the right choice with the 360

Yes, but the SIZE of games can't be changed. It's not like anyone would design a game for 360 where you can play the first two levels and not any further unless you had a HDD, is it? Mass Effect is a good example of a good game that is far too short. Ditto Gears of War and ditto COD4.

I do hope you're not calling me one-eyed. I've got a 360, a PC and a PS3. I think if anyone here is unbiased it would be me.

there's no fanboyism from my side at all in this, I tghought I would just point out a few flaws of the 360, as between yourself and whelan there's been a bit of misinformation distributed.

Oh, and if you were really all for personal choice, why did you assume I didn't play Halo3 merely because I don't like it? You also stated I was a halo hater, even though I've bought all three Halo games.

 

[Karl Pilkington]

Common misconception, usually from ps3 fanboys. The subject has been done to death.

http://www.1up.com/do/newsStory?cId=3163303

Halo 3 actually uses 2 x 640 pixel buffers in order to increase dynamic range. Thats the reason it has pretty much the most awesome lighting ever seen in a game.

Frank at Bungie stated



Seems pretty accurate. Its just nerds trying to find a bone to pick in the 99% inaccurate hate campaign. Its gets pretty lame after a while, especially when H3 continues to dominate the Marketplace.

Surely you've noticed how choppy that game is. Pardon me if I don't fall over backwards after reading that one of bungie's employees is pro-Halo 3 and in his personal opinion beleives that it looks as good as native 1080p.