Opinion Your ideal NAB Challenge solution?

[DNine]

So am I right in saying that because Kavanagh was on the list in 2012 that he is going to stall the first pre-season he is actually destroying and not play warm up games even if he isn't currently before the tribunal?

How utterly ******* stupid.

I presumed he didn't play a senior game in 2012, and didn't count him in the 34. Who in the 34 players in my post above comes out to let Kavanagh be counted. It seems that only the players that played a senior game has been served. Only Zaharakis didn't inject, so he is free to play. I am wondering whether VFL players will be served later.

 

[Doss]

I presumed he didn't play a senior game in 2012, and didn't count him in the 34. Who in the 34 players in my post above comes out to let Kavanagh be counted. It seems that only the players that played a senior game has been served. Only Zaharakis didn't inject, so he is free to play. I am wondering whether VFL players will be served later.

Back up a minute. Zaharakis played in 2012 and anyone on the list in 2012 will not be playing in the NAB Cup, so as to protect the identity of those with notices.

As for the only Zaharakis didn't inject bit, there is no way of knowing whether this is true or not at this point.

 

[DNine]

Back up a minute. Zaharakis played in 2012 and anyone on the list in 2012 will not be playing in the NAB Cup, so as to protect the identity of those with notices.

As for the only Zaharakis didn't inject bit, there is no way of knowing whether this is true or not at this point.

Oh, o.k. I think the first bit is right, but the second bit isn't. No doubt Zaharakis will sit out to protect the identities of his team mates, but I heard that he doesn't like needles and wasn't injected by his own lips. I have always put that down to common knowledge because I thought all footy fans would of been hearing that interview with Zaharakis when he said it.

 

[Doss]

Oh, o.k. I think the first bit is right, but the second bit isn't. No doubt Zaharakis will sit out to protect the identities of his team mates, but I heard that he doesn't like needles and wasn't injected by his own lips. I have always put that down to common knowledge because I thought all footy fans would of been hearing that interview with Zaharakis when he said it.

My point was, with the information in the public domain that is available, we don't know if Zaharakis was the only one who wasn't in the programme. Maybe he was, but then maybe he wasn't.

Put it this way, there were, what, 46 or so players at Essendon in 2012 but only 34 got a notice. That's a difference of 12. Assuming Zaka is one of those 12, who's to know if one or more of the other 11 aren't still at Essendon now?

There was some talk first year players in 2012 didn't take part, for example.

It'll all come out in the wash eventually. It's a bit hard to say with 100% certainty who got the notices, though.

 

[DNine]

My point was, with the information in the public domain that is available, we don't know if Zaharakis was the only one who wasn't in the programme. Maybe he was, but then maybe he wasn't.

Put it this way, there were, what, 46 or so players at Essendon in 2012 but only 34 got a notice. That's a difference of 12. Assuming Zaka is one of those 12, who's to know if one or more of the other 11 aren't still at Essendon now?

There was some talk first year players in 2012 didn't take part, for example.

It'll all come out in the wash eventually. It's a bit hard to say with 100% certainty who got the notices, though.

Ah, o.k. That's cool. I was thinking that either there is a second round of VFL cause notices or that more senior players didn't get injected than we thought.

 

[BrunoV]

But is it confirmed that Kav doesn't have a notice?

It's not the point. It applies to anyone not charged.

 

[yaco55]

So am I right in saying that because Kavanagh was on the list in 2012 that he is going to stall the first pre-season he is actually destroying and not play warm up games even if he isn't currently before the tribunal?

How utterly ******* stupid.

Reckon Kavanagh is OK - Doubt many first year players are on the program.

 

[Bombers36]

I think we have a pretty ideal solution now - we are effectively getting an extended list of players!
Thanks AFL! Surely if a couple of these guys do well (and they'll be desperate to), and we have a couple of injuries then we suddenly have ready made replacements. It seems we've turned a negative into a positive

 

[Blowfly]

I think we have a pretty ideal solution now - we are effectively getting an extended list of players!
Thanks AFL! Surely if a couple of these guys do well (and they'll be desperate to), and we have a couple of injuries then we suddenly have ready made replacements. It seems we've turned a negative into a positive

No we aren't. Any players we get are on temporary contracts, when we get the 34 back we do not get to keep them.

 

[Bombers36]

No we aren't. Any players we get are on temporary contracts, when we get the 34 back we do not get to keep them.

yes, but if our guys do get rubbed out by ASADA it would be logical that we would keep some of these players....

 

[Ashton Agar]

It's not the point. It applies to anyone not charged.

I dunno. It's only the NAB Challenge and I'd honestly like to protect the identity of the 34 for the very real chance that players aren't suspended. Everyone already just assumes Essendon are drug cheats. If the public finds out the 34, they will be known as drug cheats forever, even if not found guilty.

 

[BrunoV]

I dunno. It's only the NAB Challenge and I'd honestly like to protect the identity of the 34 for the very real chance that players aren't suspended. Everyone already just assumes Essendon are drug cheats. If the public finds out the 34, they will be known as drug cheats forever, even if not found guilty.

There has been a consistent theme throughout our defence to the doping scandal that we miss important opportunities only to dig our heels in over minor and pedantic issues to be seen to be doing something more than it providing any real benefit to the club or players.

We all know the 9/10 people do not pay close enough attention to this issue to:

1. care that the the player's aren't guilty of 'something'; and
2. bother drawing a distinction between players who were charged and found not guilty and those who were not charged.

I don't use the response of the unwashed (though there are plenty of supposedly sensible people that don't have the ability to think about this rationally) as a guide to what we should do very often at all but when there is no meaningful gain to be made and a quantifiable loss (i.e. loss of momentum in a preseason) the path of least resistance has more merit than not.

Think about Kavanagh, Browne, Dalgleish, Steinberg, Jack Merrett, O'Brien and even Colyer. Based on the numbers it is possible that these are the guys who were not charged (maybe excluding Colyer). They're all under pressure to carve out an AFL career and we know how important it is to take every possible opportunity to improve and put your name up for selection. Instead they are being asked to make sacrifices to protect meaningless anonymity of team mates who are all established players.

They should be given games just for the ****ing sacrifice.

 

[Whispering_Jack]

What if the reports are true that these players actually put their hand up to not play to protect the identity of their team mates?

 

[BrunoV]

Not sure I believe it is voluntary. All depends on whether there was any real choice.

If they did then they are stupid.