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DizzyHB

DizzyHB

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I thought I'd try a new way of piecing together Freo's best 18 for 2010. Instead of everybody picking the spine then filling the other positions with preferred players I thought it might be worth trying to seperate our 18 into three seperate groups: Forward, Back and Midfield.

Forward:

HF: Headland Pavlich Mayne
FF: Johnson Bradley Ballantyne

For me, this is our best setup for 2010. We all know when Pavlich is at CHF he's arguably the best in the league so this doesn't even need to be discussed. Mayne is a pure HFF, good height, good speed, very hard to match up on. Headland is arguably the guy you'd want delivering the ball into our forward 50 and would provide good enough speed to balance out MJ in the forward pocket.

MJ would sit in the FP rotating with Sandi as the third tall where they could both be pretty damaging. Bradley can hopefully cement a spot in the 18 as a big athletic FF whilst Ballas goes without saying.

Back:

FB: Hayden McPharlin Grover
HB: Duffield Tarrant Broughton

I put McPharlin at full back because I get the feeling he might have lost his rebound with age and Tarrant might be more useful further up the ground, but either way that is a very nice KPB setup. Grover gets to go back to what he does best and takes the 3rd tall and hopefully Hayden can play through the whole year taking the best small forward, if Hayden misses a big chunk of the year again I think this might be Rogers last which I'd hate to see.

Broughtons job on Steve Johnson against Geelong early last year was one of his best games IMO so I'd want to put him against the oppositions best HF and let Duff do the great rebounding job he did last year.

C: Ibbotson Haselby Hill
R: Sandilands Palmer Crowley

Pretty simple, Sandi AA ruckman, Haze and Palmer getting the clearances. Crowley tagging the oppositions best midfielder, Ibbo taking the oppositions most damaging winger whilst doing some damage of his own and Hill doing what we all love him for.
 
Don't like Kep in the forward line, only becase he tends to get in the others way. Remember a game last year where he kept leading into Pav's space and letting his defender spoil. Also too much height. Would rather Johno be the second tall and Sonny step up as a second small forward. Or Fyfe maybe as he seems more a pure forward type.
 
Forward: Identical

FF: Johnson Bradley Ballantyne
HF: Headland Pavlich Mayne

Midfield: MUNDY!

C: Mundy Haselby Hill
R: Sandilands Palmer Crowley

Back: Suban for Grover

HB: Duffield McPharlin Suban
FB: Hayden Tarrant Broughton

Interchange: Bench with Speed!

Morabito Schammer McPhee Ibbottson
 

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malpaso said:
Forward: Identical

FF: Johnson Bradley Ballantyne
HF: Headland Pavlich Mayne

Midfield: MUNDY!

C: Mundy Haselby Hill
R: Sandilands Palmer Crowley

Back: Suban for Grover

HB: Duffield McPharlin Suban
FB: Hayden Tarrant Broughton

Interchange: Bench with Speed!

Morabito Schammer McPhee Ibbottson
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Not a bad effort, although I doubt we gave McPhee a three year contract
on good money to warm the bench. I have to admit, it is getting hard to pick a side, we have to start leaving out favourites, obviously a good thing but hard (as a supporter) non the less.
 
DizzyHB said:
One guy that seems to have slipped out of peoples 22s entirely is Solomon who'll surely be getting game time.



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I confess I'll be disappointed if I see names like Solomon, Dodd, Thornton on the team sheets next year. Solly is a better player than the other 2 but IMO his slow decision making and poor disposal outweigh his positive attributes.
Scotty & Dodd are still handy depth but we simply can't keep playing guys who make bad decisions.
 
I agree that Solly is slipping out of the 22 but I can't help but feel he'll probably still be getting a fair bit of game time ahead of DeBoer, Pearce and the like.
 
DizzyHB said:
I agree that Solly is slipping out of the 22 but I can't help but feel he'll probably still be getting a fair bit of game time ahead of DeBoer, Pearce and the like.
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Yeah I left out Solly, although I do like what he brings to the team and I think he'll be better this year in showing the youngsters how it's done in the trenches..

With our first 4 games, I think Solly will probably be in there as we are up against it.
 
Personally i think the game has evolved.

4 defenders (2 tall 2 small)
4 forwards (2 tall 2 small)
1 ruckman
2nd ruck

12 midfielders

HFF, HBF are essentially midfielders. Someone like Duffield can rack up midfield numbers from a HBF. I'm defining defenders as players who are essentially in the team to quell the opposition. Broughton IMO is a better shutdown defender than Duffield. Though Duffield provides better rebound.

4 defenders: Tarrant, McPharlin, Hayden, Broughton
4 forwards: Pavlich, Ballantyne, ??????, ??????
1 ruckman: Sandilands
2nd ruck: ??????

12 midfielders: Palmer, Ibbotson, Hill, Duffield, Mundy, Mora, Hasleby, Headland etc

Personally i think our team is quite weak in the 2nd ruck, 2nd tall forward and 2nd small forward going into the 2010 season.

Our midfield is rapidly improving with the addition of Palmer, Hill and Morabito as 1st round picks the last 3 drafts. Throw in quality 2nd rounders like Suban, Ibbotson and older heads like Hasleby, Headland, Schammer, Crowley and the midfield starts to look pretty potent.
 
Hayden - Tarrant - Broughton
Grover - McPharlin - Suban
Morabito - Palmer - Bradley
Hill - Pavlich - Mayne
Headland - M.Johnson - Ballantyne
Sandilands - Haselby - McPhee
Clarke - Schammer - Ibbotson - Mundy

I hope that Freo don't make the same mistake with Kepler that Essendon did. He isn't a KP player. His best games have been as a secondary ruckman or free running defender. Fremantle have both of those positions covered so I would be inclined to put Kep on a wing and let him run free.

M. Johnson is more than capable of playing at FF with Pav playing at CHF for the majority of games.

Clarke showed enough to suggest he should play as the second ruck most weeks and McPhee has been picked up to play in the midfield from what I heard.

Mora on the wing is a natural move and if you dont know him yet LOOK OUT!!!! He is my tip for the Rising Star this year. The kid is an 18 yo Pavlich. In 2-3 years when Pav looks older and slower it wont matter because Mora will be tearing games up. A gem for you guys very much in the mould of Pav, Goddard, Cale Morton. Expect the same sort of development from him.

Overall I think it's a really well balanced side. Some great swingmen (Johnson and McPharlin) Hardness around the park (Broughton, Suban, Palmer, Haselby) and some genuine top line class (Sandilands, Pav, Hill, Mora)

With Essendon and Carlton tipped to drop I think Freo are a slight chance for the 8. More likely though in the next group of teams down, just outside.

This is of course from an outsiders point of view.
 
HF: Headland Pavlich Mayne
FF: Ballantyne, Murphy, Bradley.


Now before you all arc up about Murphy, he is a bit of a one-trick pony but he does have a good trick which is being fast on a lead. Clear some space for him as the fast leading option, Bradley to be the goal square marking option and Ballantyne to be the crumber at his feet. The HF line can either feed them the ball or kick a goal or two themselves as requried.
 

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Alpha Male said:
Hayden - Tarrant - Broughton
Grover - McPharlin - Suban
Morabito - Palmer - Bradley
Hill - Pavlich - Mayne
Headland - M.Johnson - Ballantyne
Sandilands - Haselby - McPhee
Clarke - Schammer - Ibbotson - Mundy

M. Johnson is more than capable of playing at FF with Pav playing at CHF for the majority of games.

Clarke showed enough to suggest he should play as the second ruck most weeks and McPhee has been picked up to play in the midfield from what I heard.

Mora on the wing is a natural move and if you dont know him yet LOOK OUT!!!! He is my tip for the Rising Star this year. The kid is an 18 yo Pavlich. In 2-3 years when Pav looks older and slower it wont matter because Mora will be tearing games up. A gem for you guys very much in the mould of Pav, Goddard, Cale Morton. Expect the same sort of development from him.

Overall I think it's a really well balanced side. Some great swingmen (Johnson and McPharlin) Hardness around the park (Broughton, Suban, Palmer, Haselby) and some genuine top line class (Sandilands, Pav, Hill, Mora)

With Essendon and Carlton tipped to drop I think Freo are a slight chance for the 8. More likely though in the next group of teams down, just outside.

This is of course from an outsiders point of view.
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Not a bad overview for an outsider, but Clarke still needs to bulk up, and his recovery from the collapsed lung will hinder his development for a while yet. So Kepp and MJ will assume a lot of the back-up ruckman responsibilities for this season.
 
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Late last season, don't know if it was due to injury or illness, I'll see if I can track down the article.

Has been in the rehab group because of it, didn't see him at all on Friday (though Salim or E may have seen him earlier)
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I remember reading this on his facebook... can't remember any media articles
 

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b: Hayden - Tarrant - McPharlin
hb: Broughton - Dodd - Duffield

I like the versatility that Dodd provides, whereas Grover is more of a one position only type of player. By having Dodd in the side, it means that we aren't forced to have Broughton playing on the third tall. While also having another option on both talls and smalls.

c: Suban - Haselby - Hill
r: Sandilands - Crowley - Mundy

Most of these guys pretty much speak for themselves. Crowley is our best tagger, while I still think Mundy is our best clearance player.

hf: Mayne - Pavlich - Morabito
f: Ballantyne - Murphy - Headland

Bradley is not a key forward, and hence shouldn't be played as one. Murphy obviously doesn't have many fans on here (I'm not one either) but he is a natural forward. Him and Pavlich should set up as a Riewoldt/Koschitzke type forward line. Murphy needs to have room in the forward line, and Pavlich could play the work horse type role at CHF.

i: Johnson - Palmer - McPhee - Hinkley

No real reason why these guys are on the bench, just couldn't fit them on the ground. Johnson plays as the back up ruck, and McPhee will obviously come straight into the 22. The starting 18 still lacks a lot of speed, which is the reason for the inclusion of Hinkley ahead of guys like Solomon and Schammer.

e: Ibbotson - Schammer - Bradley

With Mundy, McPhee and Morabito all in the team, I couldn't find room for Ibbotson. I think he is still best 22, but I was struggling to find a spot for him. Like I said before, the team is not a quick one, so Ibbotson ahead of Hinkley would make it even slower.
 
Tarrant
McPharlin Duffield
Broughton McPhee Hayden

Hill Hase Mundy/Headland
Mundy/Headland Pavlich (J Brown game style) Ibbotson
Johnson Ballantyne (traditional FF) Suban (rotate through centre)

Sandi Palmer Crowley (tag role)

Bradley 2nd Ruck Schammer Soloman Morra
If players are performing at training then they can come in for Soloman/ Morra / Schammer
 
Chris25 said:
i: Johnson - Palmer - McPhee - Hinkley

No real reason why these guys are on the bench, just couldn't fit them on the ground. Johnson plays as the back up ruck, and McPhee will obviously come straight into the 22. The starting 18 still lacks a lot of speed, which is the reason for the inclusion of Hinkley ahead of guys like Solomon and Schammer.

e: Ibbotson - Schammer - Bradley

With Mundy, McPhee and Morabito all in the team, I couldn't find room for Ibbotson. I think he is still best 22, but I was struggling to find a spot for him. Like I said before, the team is not a quick one, so Ibbotson ahead of Hinkley would make it even slower.
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Intersting thoughts you have there Chris. As Ibbo's buddy, I will admit that his form can be somewhat flaky, but I am hoping for more consistency from him this year. He would definitely be selected in the team before Hinkley and most like even Morabito. Ibbo's game is more hb to centre and Hinkley has been played by Harvey in the hf role (even though I reckon he should be more of a centreman myself).

As you are aware, I AM a member of the Hinkley Fan Club, however blind freddy can see Ibbo would be picked ahead of him every day of the week. Ibbotson is no slouch either!
 
I'm an Ibbotson fan myself (proud owner of a signed Ibbo guernsey too), but it looks like he will have a lot more competition this year. He's a similar player to Mundy, Duffield, McPhee and now Morabito. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how many of these utility types you can have in the one team....

I think Ibbotson was hurt by his midfield move to be honest. Always looked good running off half back, but there aren't really any spots back there anymore. He's a bit like Mundy, in that he always seems to have plenty of time but he also looks very laconic. Unless he starts to consistently win high numbers of disposals, he will unfortunately begin to face more criticism for his style of plan.

Fremantle has lacked line breaking speed for a while now, and realistically Hill is the only one who provides this even now (one could argue Ballantyne does too, but he plays too deep). That's the sole reason for the inclusion of Hinkley, because he offers something that only 1 other player does. Whereas Ibbotson plays the same role as a number of others, even though he does it well.
 
Chris25 said:
I'm an Ibbotson fan myself (proud owner of a signed Ibbo guernsey too), but it looks like he will have a lot more competition this year. He's a similar player to Mundy, Duffield, McPhee and now Morabito. Unfortunately, I'm not sure how many of these utility types you can have in the one team....

I think Ibbotson was hurt by his midfield move to be honest. Always looked good running off half back, but there aren't really any spots back there anymore. He's a bit like Mundy, in that he always seems to have plenty of time but he also looks very laconic. Unless he starts to consistently win high numbers of disposals, he will unfortunately begin to face more criticism for his style of plan.

Fremantle has lacked line breaking speed for a while now, and realistically Hill is the only one who provides this even now (one could argue Ballantyne does too, but he plays too deep). That's the sole reason for the inclusion of Hinkley, because he offers something that only 1 other player does. Whereas Ibbotson plays the same role as a number of others, even though he does it well.
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Ibbotson has lightning pace and wonderful skills, has all the attributes to be an elite wingman (i mean that in the footy sense, not the picking up hot girls sense ;)) he just needs to work on his consistency. i could see him winning a B&F one day if he can put it all together.
 
Wasn't Ibbo used as a tagger in Cowley's absence last season?

I wouldn't rate him as strong a tagger, but like Crowls he has a huge engine (remember he consistently wins the middle-distance time trials at the club). It's not unreasonable to see them being used in tandem on players such as Ablett, Black, Cooney etc

Ironically, it's against the teams with weaker midfields that one might be cut to make way for say, a speedier player.
 

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