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Spikey said:
The fact that C. Judd is at 2 says enough about the list...
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Such that I contributed so nicely in my last post, do bear with me.

What is wrong with that? Are you deluded? What says a player who is 25, has won a brownlow medal, polled 18 of a possible 24 Charlie votes in 8 games when fit in 2007, and managed to win an AA Captaincy last year (however contentiously), as well as a Best and Fairest at his new club to go along with several others from the Eagles could not become the second best player in the competition - or there abouts?
 

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Ben the Gooner said:
And you need to get over Pokemon Spikey. That was over 10 years ago.
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Well I was kinda fishing for a Carlton reply....

If I'm correct, which I'm probably not, this list was based on who Mike will think the best 50 players will be at seasons end. No doubt in my mind that Ablett and Buddy will be in the top 2.
 
Apart from no Hille it's not a bad list.

Roughead's too high IMO. As is Jarrad McVeigh. But he does deserve his place. He's had multiple games where he's kicked multiple goals and has racked up 27+ disposals and with Mark's injury problems, he'd be very close to, if not better, than our McVeigh. Riloli and Birchall shouldn't be in. Sandilands would have a good case to be included. Wells would also have a strong case IMO. I see him really stepping up this year. There's always gonna be some debate.
 
Who said it's an honour to be named in Sheahan's top fifty?

He's just one person with an opinion. Just like us. Chillax.
 

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Merv said:
In other news Rodney Eade mentioned while talking about how even this season was going to be that the 2 clubs he sees as most likely to make the 8 from outside the 8 were Port and Essendon and he mentioned that in his opinion we have built a very exciting list but injuries could easily curtail our season.
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That's very interesting and also very true. Probably is stating the obvious by saying injuries could ruin our year but I'm glad someone with credibility has come out with such a statement. Most of us know the capabilities of our list and whilst we are tremendously underrated by the media and common footy fans you can bet that most of the teams know how dangerous we are. Ask the Pies for example. In the past 3 years we have derailed their top 4 ambitions whilst being pathetic in the regular season.
 
Ben the Gooner said:
Judd
Ablett
Cox
Pavlich
Hodge

would be my top 5 - no Buddy.

And you need to get over Pokemon Spikey. That was over 10 years ago.
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Sure all lists are subjective but there is a clear point of idiocy that everyone can relate to. Like not having Ablett in the top 10.

In this case not having Franklin in the top 5. Perhaps you were just trying to create discussion but not having Franklin in the top 5 is ridiculous.
 
I thought that Hille could have squeezed into the top 50.

IMO, Jarrad McVeigh has improved immensely in the last 2 years, and is at the same level as Mark.

I don't understand how Cyril Rioli ( a first year player ), can be in the top 50 after one season. The last 2 players who dominated their debut season were chris Judd in 2002 and Joel Sellwood in 2007.

Were they rated in the top 50 in 2003 and 2008 ?
 
mike's top 50 is evidence why he hasn't and will never be an afl coach or selector.

even the stresleckie 3rds wouldn't have sheehan.

take any coach in the afl - try to tell me if you lineup up all the players you could pick from for a team in 2009 any coach would select rioli or gibbs over hille. (maybe not clarkson as he has admitted man love for junior boy)
 
bomba4eva said:
Sure all lists are subjective but there is a clear point of idiocy that everyone can relate to. Like not having Ablett in the top 10.

In this case not having Franklin in the top 5. Perhaps you were just trying to create discussion but not having Franklin in the top 5 is ridiculous.
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Nope, I rate consistency very highly (hence Cox and Pav). A top 5 player wouldn't kick 2.11 or 1.6 IMHO.

Definitely top 10, no question about that.
 

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Ben the Gooner said:
Nope, I rate consistency very highly (hence Cox and Pav). A top 5 player wouldn't kick 2.11 or 1.6 IMHO.

Definitely top 10, no question about that.
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Not sure what the exact amount was but let's say he kicked exactly 100 last year from 22 games. That's an average of around 4-5 goals per game. That is consistency. Franklin was probably the best player in the competition last year. 2.11 still means he had a whopping 13 shots on goal. He is still young enough to have room for improvement which will only further lengthen the gap between him and the 2nd best player. Superstar.
 
Ben the Gooner said:
Nope, I rate consistency very highly (hence Cox and Pav). A top 5 player wouldn't kick 2.11 or 1.6 IMHO.

Definitely top 10, no question about that.
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Yeah I've been saying this all season. It's only a matter of WHEN Franklin sort's out his accuracy issues that I can confidently say he's the best player in the comp. And I'm pretty damn sure he will soon enough.

For me, Ablett is THE best player in the league.
 
bomba4eva said:
Not sure what the exact amount was but let's say he kicked exactly 100 last year from 22 games. That's an average of around 4-5 goals per game. That is consistency. Franklin was probably the best player in the competition last year. 2.11 still means he had a whopping 13 shots on goal. He is still young enough to have room for improvement which will only further lengthen the gap between him and the 2nd best player. Superstar.
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I think the fact he has so many shots on goal that pulls him back a bit. If Lloydy had as many shots at goal as Franklin did last season, I'm certain he would have kicked atleast 20 goals more.
 
stay true said:
I think the fact he has so many shots on goal that pulls him back a bit. If Lloydy had as many shots at goal as Franklin did last season, I'm certain he would have kicked atleast 20 goals more.
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Facts are that he kicked 100 and won the Coleman. I wouldn't mind Neagle kicking 150 behinds if he kicked 100 goals. The guy is a freak and will only get better. The definition of a defender's nightmare. How do you contend with a 6 foot athletic freak?

If they were the same age would you pick Ablett or Franklin? I'd say 99% would pick Franklin.
 
bomba4eva said:
Facts are that he kicked 100 and won the Coleman. I wouldn't mind Neagle kicking 150 behinds if he kicked 100 goals. The guy is a freak and will only get better. The definition of a defender's nightmare. How do you contend with a 6 foot athletic freak?

If they were the same age would you pick Ablett or Franklin? I'd say 99% would pick Franklin.
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I totally agree that he's just about the perfect forward, there's no doubting that.

But I'm looking at this purely from a "Top 50" perspective. Franklin kicking 100 goals from 180odd set shots is great for the team no doubt about it. On the other hand Ablett, who is a completely different player which ofcourse makes is silly to compare the two (apples and oranges etc etc), is equally as important to his team but in a different way.

Ablett is the complete midfielder. It's very hard to point out flaws in his game. Franklin's accuracy is a flaw that sticks out like dogs balls.

And the "what if they were the same age" question is irrelivant. It's a top 50 for right now, not a top 50 with some variables.

Having said all that, Franklin will be the number 1 player in the league in the not to distant future.:)
 
The top 5-10 is so close that you could put them in just about any order, and you won't get too many complaints.

However, Ablett and Judd don't have "those games", which, IMO, sets them apart.
 

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