Game Day Pies v Hawthorn, 5 August, 4.35pm, MCG

[swoop42]

The gap between Hawthorns best and worst is large but when at their best they have the capacity to move the ball quickly and score heavily when they have the momentum.

Can't recall to many times across the years that Hawthorn haven't shown up when playing Collingwood and I'm sure Mitchell would love a scalp before the season is out.

 

[Big Bryza]

Bianco has a bigger tank and is more efficient with his disposal. So for me, they're about on par -- as the fact they both have struggled to break into the AFL team indicates.

Bianco torched the footy against the Dogs.

 

[Big Bryza]

What a great position the fitness and conditioning team have put this side into, they deserve a lot of credit.

A quick search gave me this list of injured players this time in 2018;

Wells
Broomhead
Appleby
De Goey
Dunn
Elliot
Goldsack
Howe
Kirby
Moore
Reid
Scharenberg
Treloar
Wills

Great position we are in these days

Rupert Wills... now there's a blast from the past!

 

[Big Bryza]

Adams has far more positives to his game and we often ignore his good work and focus on one or two clangers. He will die on the field if necessary for us to win a flag. I like that kind of player in my team.

We can't afford any more 12 possession, 4 kick/4 clanger stinkers to finish the season.

 

[No SPIN]

Nope still not convinced - there is barely a week that goes by on the game threat where posters aren't smashing him for his poor disposal.

Posters lack perspective- I hope you also notice how quickly the same people change their minds when Adams does well.

 

[Harry O]

We can't afford any more 12 possession, 4 kick/4 clanger stinkers to finish the season.

To be fair thar is a once in 5 seasons performance by Tay

 

[swoop42]

Does Adams have the capacity to tag Neale in 2 weeks time?

If successful it would be nice to have it as an option come finals and surely there is still room in the game to tag a player if they're considered a catalyst to the success or failure of their side.

If not Adams, who?

 

[manicpie]

Does Adams have the capacity to tag Neale in 2 weeks time?

If successful it would be nice to have it as an option come finals and surely there is still room in the game to tag a player if they're considered a catalyst to the success or failure of their side.

If not Adams, who?

Who's on him first, what's on him second and I don't know is on him 3rd

 

[Mollythedolly]

I think Hawthorn is a particularly strong case to drop him, as I have several memories of Sicily eating him for breakfast

Adding McStay to the F50 dynamic may give Sicily other priorities.

 

[Mollythedolly]

It's going to be interesting to see how they manage Cox in the VFL. He's not a full time forward so it means he'll take development time away from Steene and Begg. Given they're playing Werribee, big things are expected. And it'll need to be a two or three week effort to return. Because Fly does not see one good game and go "yep, all g, back in".

Depend on what aspect of his game they’re sending him back to work on and how they’ll measure that.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Lol

You were telling me 90min ago that playing Johnson or mcstay as second rucks were inferior options to cox

Now you’re excited at the forward structure and interested in the second rucks

Sums up bigfooty tbh


He’s not the only one.

Now’s the time to turn up the expectations

Squad runs deep enough

Johnson and McStay are inferior ruck options to Cox. Cox’s ruck work is generally very good.

 

[sr36]

Depend on what aspect of his game they’re sending him back to work on and how they’ll measure that.

They've asked him to be faster, stronger and more agile.

 

[KinderSmock]

Depend on what aspect of his game they’re sending him back to work on and how they’ll measure that.

He's been listed as the main ruck. So you'd assume ruck work.

 

[Mkcaptain]

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Wish I could think of a witty enough comment to put here but feel like that profile pic goes with that moronic nature of that post perfectly. Presumably posted under their public profile, do they have no shame? Hopefully they have someone in their life to pull them to task.

 

[domus]

I don't know why but going into any game with one ruckman always makes me feel we are vulnerable and one twisted ankle or rib injury away from disaster.

 

[legendstatus]

I’d take Adams over JC 9 times out of 10 times.
Adams is inconsistent with his kicking - while JC is consistent with his ball butchering and low Footy IQ/ poor decision making.

You’re entitled to your opinion and I appreciate that

 

[stormskye]

I don't know why but going into any game with one ruckman always makes me feel we are vulnerable and one twisted ankle or rib injury away from disaster.

Could say the same with Moore

 

[windchimes]

I don't know why but going into any game with one ruckman always makes me feel we are vulnerable and one twisted ankle or rib injury away from disaster.

Almost every single side barring us this year and second half of last have been doing it, many premierships in the process, so it's not really that that scary.

 

[Mollythedolly]

Last couple of weeks, has any other team been playing 2 rucks?

Off the top of my head, last week:

Nth - Goldstein & Xerri
Carlton - Pittonet & DeKoning
Dogs - English & Lobb
Pies - Cameron & Cox
Tiger (tonight) - Soldo & Nankervis

I think it’s a bit more difficult to answer than that though as firstly, teams have good 2nd ruck options among their KPF’s. Lions have Daniher, Swans would normally play guys like McLean as 2nd ruck, Port have Dixon, Crows have Tilthorpe. Then secondly, there are teams like Freo who'd prefer to play Darcy & Jackson but Darcy isn’t available. Bombers would normally run Phillips & Draper but Draper hasn’t been available. Dees Gawn & Grundy but we all know that’s going.

 

[Mollythedolly]

They've asked him to be faster, stronger and more agile.

So just the 1 week then.

 

[Mollythedolly]

I don't know why but going into any game with one ruckman always makes me feel we are vulnerable and one twisted ankle or rib injury away from disaster.

I’m hearing you. The lack of a quality 2nd ruck is the issue. Guys like McStay, Johnson, and Frampton just aren’t quality 2nd rucks. They’re pinch-hitters. Frampton the pick of them, but he’s not even playing.

 

[3rdMan]

Just want a win here really, style points dont interest me too much. Win the next two then no injuries or suspensions for the rest is all I'm after.

Looking forward to see how we go in attack. Had seen this mix of talls as our best since before McStay returned but wasn't sure we'd get to see it. AJ finally has the chance to play as a genuine third tall.

 

[Hardas]

Just want a win here really, style points dont interest me too much. Win the next two then no injuries or suspensions for the rest is all I'm after.

Looking forward to see how we go in attack. Had seen this mix of talls as our best since before McStay returned but wasn't sure we'd get to see it. AJ finally has the chance to play as a genuine third tall.

Reckon it might get quite willing early.

Hawks gave up 9 goals in the first last week so likely to be breathing a bit of fire.

But, good luck trying to slow us down for long, coming in well rested off a loss.

 

[LuckyLee]

I’m hearing you. The lack of a quality 2nd ruck is the issue. Guys like McStay, Johnson, and Frampton just aren’t quality 2nd rucks. They’re pinch-hitters. Frampton the pick of them, but he’s not even playing.

In recent times there hasn’t been much correlation between Collingwood winning a ruck tap and winning a clearance. If there was, then the value of playing two big ruckmen would be clear.

But with such low correlation, their value is much harder to judge, unless they’re also taking lots of marks around the ground and kicking goals, which hasn’t really been the case.


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[Scodog10]

Off the top of my head, last week:

Nth - Goldstein & Xerri
Carlton - Pittonet & DeKoning
Dogs - English & Lobb
Pies - Cameron & Cox
Tiger (tonight) - Soldo & Nankervis

I think it’s a bit more difficult to answer than that though as firstly, teams have good 2nd ruck options among their KPF’s. Lions have Daniher, Swans would normally play guys like McLean as 2nd ruck, Port have Dixon, Crows have Tilthorpe. Then secondly, there are teams like Freo who'd prefer to play Darcy & Jackson but Darcy isn’t available. Bombers would normally run Phillips & Draper but Draper hasn’t been available. Dees Gawn & Grundy but we all know that’s going.

Lobb is as much a ruckman as Moore. Most teams use a 200cm forward to supplement their first ruck and we have one that we’re nursing through the season.