Review Good/Bad vs Brisbane, R22 2023

[jackster83]

Would also be pretty fresh given the slower smaller bodies of Sanfl, extra breaks at Sanfl
Good time for him to come in


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Good point.

Same with guys like Keane, Nank, etc.

That's why we have to get better at using our depth during the year. Playing the same 23 cooked us prematurely and almost certainly cost us games.

 

[Crow till I die]

I think yesterday will be one of the days that max m will reflect on in years to come as a real marker in his development as charlie cameron

23

Charlie Cameron

Age

29

Ht

180cm

Wt

76kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

12.1

3star

K

8.4

3star

HB

3.7

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

3.2

5star

G

1.5

5star

D

9.6

2star

K

7.9

3star

HB

1.7

1star

M

3.6

4star

T

1.7

3star

G

1.9

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.4

2star

HB

4.2

4star

M

1.4

2star

T

3.4

5star

G

1.2

4star

had ONE of those games and quarters where he was almost unstoppable. He will learn how to better handle such players i have no doubt

 

[rabidcrow]

Or the umpire pays the mark inside 50 from dawsons 15m kick instead of being the only time that type of thing gets called play on ever and they go down the other end and kick a goal

Watching the Melbourne Carlton game last night and commentator complained about the umpires not paying a free plus 50m when a player gets taken down after disposing of ball and trying to continue on in the play. Said it gets paid once in a blue moon. Ie Nick Daicos asking the ump against us and getting it paid in the goal square.

And don’t start me on Chayce Jones 50m penalty against GC - players often going miles past the mark and no consequence but Jones gets paid there for maybe a foot ?

Has been one of those seasons and to win the GF over there you have to overcome even more - so we just have to get better


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[MsTopG]

A Rankine that "tidies up conversion" is useless, he'd have 1 or 2 shots a game at most. His job is to take difficult shots.

The whole team is crap at converting from set shots except for Walker and Fog (most of the time). We need a massive focus on set shots every day of preseason training. Do it until they are sick if it. Even Dawson's sets shot has gone to s**t.

 

[Bevoman]

That’s not a normal Laird game though, he’s usually a very good clearance player, was just an off night.

Laird does not hurt you and Keays is not an A grader.
The Crows will not improve until this brace are no longer in the mid-field.

 

[Faaarrk]

I think yesterday will be one of the days that max m will reflect on in years to come as a real marker in his development as charlie cameron had ONE of those games and quarters where he was almost unstoppable. He will learn how to better handle such players i have no doubt

Absolutely and it was good Nicks left him there. It was also good to see Max kept his head up, even kicking on his left, although he shanked it lol.

 

[BRL121]

The whole team is crap at converting from set shots except for Walker and Fog (most of the time). We need a massive focus on set shots every day of preseason training. Do it until they are sick if it. Even Dawson's sets shot has gone to s**t.

Yeah. This year, the only others I've developed confidence in to nail a crunch set shot are Jones and Soligo.

 

[pjcrows]

I’m not arguing they’re not A graders. I asked what makes an A grader and all you could come up with is names.

An A grader has high impact and stands up in big moments. Can win a match with a clutch goal or big patch. Possessions across the ground. Often effective on both sides of the body (but not always). Brings players with him and directs traffic.

Petracca. Bontompelli. Oliver. Merrett. Neale. Sidebottom. Butters. Dawson. Brayshaw. Rozee. Cripps. Martin. Dangerfield. Selwood. Pendlebury. M Crouch

 

[pjcrows]

Sidebottom? In 2023?

I'd argue yes. Has won a couple of matches for them from the midfield in the last two years. Either way - put him in the "recent" category if you like. Doesn't alter my argument.

 

[Mutineer]

And yet was very good on debut.

On an opponent that suited Borlase's skillset and physical capabilities (Casboult) not many key forwards of Casboult's ilk these days..

 

[Faaarrk]

An A grader has high impact and stands up in big moments. Can win a match with a clutch goal or big patch. Possessions across the ground. Often effective on both sides of the body (but not always). Brings players with him and directs traffic.

Petracca. Bontompelli. Oliver. Merrett. Neale. Sidebottom. Butters. Dawson. Brayshaw. Rozee. Cripps. Martin. Dangerfield. Selwood. Pendlebury. M Crouch

Isn’t that what Matt has been doing the last month? Clearing the ball, setting up play and traffic, winning possessions, he’s even kicked on his right a few times, handballs both hands, has kicked goals, positions himself well. Tackles strongly, holds up in a tackle and gets the ball to one of our players.
His last month has been A grade standard.

 

[Mutineer]

I think yesterday will be one of the days that max m will reflect on in years to come as a real marker in his development as charlie cameron had ONE of those games and quarters where he was almost unstoppable. He will learn how to better handle such players i have no doubt

I thought Max had a decent game actually, there wasn't much he could have done to stop Charlie on at least 2 of his goals.

 

[pjcrows]

Isn’t that what Matt has been doing the last month? Clearing the ball, setting up play and traffic, winning possessions, he’s even kicked on his right a few times, handballs both hands, has kicked goals, positions himself well. Tackles strongly, holds up in a tackle and gets the ball to one of our players.
His last month has been A grade standard.

Matt Crouch has had a good few weeks, yes.

Matt Crouch is not an A grade midfielder.

It's not that complicated.

 

[Faaarrk]

Matt Crouch has had a good few weeks, yes.

Matt Crouch is not an A grade midfielder.

It's not that complicated.

His last month has been at an A grade standard.
It really isn’t that complicated.

 

[Elixuh]

Ya'll will be top 4 next year. Watching the Crows live, you're a better side than 6 or 7 teams above you. Big issues yesterday were your forwards lapsing concentration when we had the ball and just completely switching off. Your midfield did well and you were great with ground balls and really slick movement at times.

 

[Scorpus]

His last month has been at an A grade standard.
It really isn’t that complicated.

He's only been at A grade standard if there's a grade in your ranking system that's above A grade

 

[BACCS]

It happened for almost three quarters, more than a couple of times. Very frustrating to watch

It really didn’t though. Our ball movement fell away a bit during the 2nd and into the 3rd, but recovered towards end of the 3rd and rest of the game from there. Our ball movement is great to watch this year and is rewarded with being the highest scoring team in the comp.

 

[Jeffcrowe]

A Rankine that "tidies up conversion" is useless, he'd have 1 or 2 shots a game at most. His job is to take difficult shots.

I get what you’re saying but if you look at his misses alot have been the very gettable set shots

He tends to kick the hard ones and the freakish

He easily could have kicked > 50 goals this year he’s been that good

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Ya'll will be top 4 next year. Watching the Crows live, you're a better side than 6 or 7 teams above you. Big issues yesterday were your forwards lapsing concentration when we had the ball and just completely switching off. Your midfield did well and you were great with ground balls and really slick movement at times.

Agree , our forward line is superbly talented but they do have these moments

At other times they’re unstoppable

 

[Golumless]

Anyway, I was only half watching yesterday as the Matlidas were on, and I'd rather not revisit another heartbreaker, however my rough thoughts:

Good:

Milera and Hinge are really taking good strides forward as the underpins for our outside game.

Keane could be anything with another preseason. Handles big forwards well and has a serious intercept/offensive game. I look forward to seeing how he pairs with Murray when he's back.

I liked Schoenbergs game. Just looks like he's finally on track again after a rough year or so and looks to have found that poise/confidence again.

Nankervis is building nicely into an AFL career. Not outstanding, but just having flashes here and there that he's going to be a great piece to have somewhere in our 22 once he's fully firing.

Operation save Matt Crouch

5

Matt Crouch

Age

29

Ht

183cm

Wt

85kg

Pos.

Mid

Career

Season

Last 5

D

28.4

5star

K

12.0

4star

HB

16.4

5star

M

3.3

3star

T

3.9

5star

CL

4.8

5star

D

24.9

5star

K

9.7

4star

HB

15.1

5star

M

2.4

3star

T

2.4

3star

CL

4.4

5star

D

21.2

5star

K

10.4

4star

HB

10.8

5star

M

4.4

4star

T

3.4

5star

CL

2.0

4star

career is really going swimmingly for Matt. Whether we retain or not is another story, but he's performing at a serious click at the moment.

Keays played a solid hand against his former club.

McAdam has filled that Rankine hole well in the past few weeks.

Soligo, Pedlar and Worrell all played good hands.

Meh:

Tex was three shots off a phenomenal game. Hard to be super critical seeing how hot he's been with goalkicking in the last 10-12 weeks.

Sloane. Sure, he has a moment or two where you go "oh, he's still got it", before reverting back to a player who is just clinging on to being an AFL quality player. You can also tell both Adelaide and Sloane are not ready to admit it's just about over.

Fogarty just had one of those games where he got sucked into Brisbane's physicality and him wanting to be the man.

Borlase looked miles off being an AFL player this week. Fantastic debut though, and Brisbane is a very tough matchup owing to them also having a three-headed monster fronting their forward line, so I think this is just a write-off and move on kind of deal.

Michaelanny got taken to the cleaners by Cameron. I'm forgiving though because he's had a hell of a year, and Cameron at the Gabba (owing to how good Brisbane are at home) might be the single toughest matchup in the league for a general defender.

I think we're just at the point with Thilthorpe that we've gotten as much as we can out of him playing as a third tall, and he needs more responsibility for his game to go to the next level. We're probably a tad stuck whilst Tex is hot though, seeing it does stop any progression towards building the forward line around Thilthorpe.

Bad:

I know goal kicking inaccuracy will be talked about, but the elephant in the room is 93 points is enough to win most games of football, and we have four-five games with a very similar story line. After all, the scoring median is 83.71 points this year (and ave. would be very similar). The problem Adelaide faces is really on the other side of the ball, which is whilst that defence is inconsistent, Adelaide will keep throwing these types of games. What's really frustrating about that defense is we've shown we're able to get to a high level, seeing we've only conceded 69.3 points when we've won, compared to 93.8 points in losses.

That period in the 3rd where we got smashed in the clearances. It's where this game was lost and I wouldn't be surprised is how cold our inside game goes at times is why we're conceding so much. There isn't an obvious defensive area, as everyone in that unit had a good to great year on an individual level.

 

[Crow till I die]

I thought Max had a decent game actually, there wasn't much he could have done to stop Charlie on at least 2 of his goals.

I agree..there was 1 heavily contested mark charlie topk on the lead that max was with him stride for stride and was just beaten by a great bit of skill. But that will all be a great learning experience for him

 

[spenze]

We must trade in a key back. There's no ifs or butts pardon the pun. I would go for Cox at Freo or make Barrass a decent offer. Doedee looks to be leaving unless we up our offer I would presume plus he's not a key back.

Of all the things we shouldn't be doing, spending good capital on a KPD must be the number one on the list. I get that they are both very good players and would shore up our backline but we have bigger issues in the middle of the ground that are more urgent. Butt and Keane will see us though next year though looking at a cheap KPD option is still a decent option

 

[Jeffcrowe]

Yes depending on the strength of the offer, 3 years at $500k should get us a third rounder I think

I doubt whatever we get will be used at the draft , maybe some pick swaps to get ready for Tyler next year

It’s time to use higher end picks only or move up where possible if there are kids we really like

 

[MsTopG]

Of all the things we shouldn't be doing, spending good capital on a KPD must be the number one on the list. I get that they are both very good players and would shore up our backline but we have bigger issues in the middle of the ground that are more urgent. Butt and Keane will see us though next year though looking at a cheap KPD option is still a decent option

What if Butts and or Keane go down. Then it's Himmelberg(unless we trade him) and Borlase as our backs. We should be able to trade in a key back with what we get for outgoing players. Use our top 10 pick on a mid. McAdam hasn't resigned so he may be off to WA so McAdam for Cox or Barass and an exchange of later picks could be advantageous for both clubs. We will get nothing for Crouch and Doedee if they leave as expected as they are free agents. If the club thinks we are a top 6 chance next year they will chase a key back. I wouldn't rule out using our future first this offseason on a mid or key back.

 

[WaynesWorld19]

I think yesterday will be one of the days that max m will reflect on in years to come as a real marker in his development as charlie cameron had ONE of those games and quarters where he was almost unstoppable. He will learn how to better handle such players i have no doubt

That said ....we still need a plan B player for these Cameron type players