List Mgmt. COLLINGWOOD Trade & FA 2024

[Maggie5]

Looking through that. Our flag team was made up of blokes that goes back to the recruitment of Pendles in 2005. 23 of the approx 200 players recruited between 2005 and the end of 2022 played in the Grand Final.

It was quite fun looking through that. So many I didn't remember at all.

 

[ThePhantom777]

Thanks. That's helpful. Although, not just currently. I don't think we've really had sufficient high end, developing key forward talent drafted onto our list for 17 years.

The proof is in the pudding. Our only successful key forward drafted since 2005 is Checkers, who was drafted as a defender.

2003	Chris Tarrant (3)	54
2004	Chris Tarrant (4)	36
2005	Chris Tarrant (5)	36
2006	Anthony Rocca (3)	55
2007	Anthony Rocca (4)	54
2008	Paul Medhurst	50
2009	Jack Anthony	50
2010	Alan Didak	41
2011	Travis Cloke	69
2012	Travis Cloke (2)	59
2013	Travis Cloke (3)	68
2014	Travis Cloke (4)	39
2015	Jamie Elliott	35
2016	Alex Fasolo	25
2017	Jamie Elliott (2)	34
2018	Jordan De Goey	48
2019	Brody Mihocek	36
2020	Brody Mihocek (2)	25
2021	Brody Mihocek (3)	34
2022	Brody Mihocek (4)	41
2023	Brody Mihocek (5)	47

Sounds about right

List of Collingwood Football Club leading goalkickers - Wikipedia

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[The Royal Sampler]

Poulter didn't have opportunity.

Williams is a miss purely from his conduct and mates. Another one we had to turf.

Poulter was bog average at best.

 

[memoryofmchale]

Poulter was bog average at best.

He's still on a list. Could well be a hit for the Dogs.

That's what makes it difficult. If we cut players and they go on to star, are they hits or misses?

 

[danielnajdek]

He's still on a list. Could well be a hit for the Dogs.

That's what makes it difficult. If we cut players and they go on to star, are they hits or misses?

Have you ever watched Poulter? He isn't good at all.

 

[loki04]

You could make the same case for the Hill trade the year before. That worked out okay.

No you couldn't. Hill brought attributes we lacked and ones Hine had a history of not getting right at the draft table

Hill cost wise was a good trade and a great example of how the schultz trade should of looked.

 

[loki04]

He's still on a list. Could well be a hit for the Dogs.

That's what makes it difficult. If we cut players and they go on to star, are they hits or misses?

In that scenario....They are a hit for talent ID ie Hine but a fail for the club as a whole, development and coaching.

 

[sr36]

Why take away the FS’s? We still have to draft them. None are guaranteed successes, Will Kelly, Cal and Tyler Brown for instance.

I'd take out Darcy and Nick as they were high profile no brainers gotten on the cheap. No other decision was possible. I'd leave in Josh as other teams didn't rate or pick him. So he was a recruitment decision in the same way that Stewart was a non-recruitment decision.

 

[sr36]

In that scenario....They are a hit for talent ID ie Hine but a fail for the club as a whole, development and coaching.

Yep. Seedsman was a big hit in terms of recruiting, but a negative in terms of coaching.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

He's still on a list. Could well be a hit for the Dogs.

That's what makes it difficult. If we cut players and they go on to star, are they hits or misses?

I’ll worry about that in the profoundly unlikely event that it happens with Poulter.

 

[loki04]

Short answer is no.
Just look at 2022, we brought in 5 players and 3 were critical to our success on GF day.
Similarly with Jolly and Ball in 2010.
That’s a clear demonstration that success is not about 1st rounders.

That 2010 team was built off the back of first rounders and a top 3 rated FS pick in T Cloke that we bid matched included.
2 of which played in 2023 team. Loaded up on a spine at the draft before this dont rate kpp drafting crap we get last 15 years....
Literally had a tanking season that landed pick 2 and 5....
Add to that great talent ID and development of later picks and rookies.

What you are referring to is trading for need to fill the holes that drafting missed from 05-09.

2023 side had low drafted picks in Degoey, Moore, IQ, N.Daicos, to add to Pendles Steele etc

 

[sr36]

That 2010 team was built off the back of first rounders and a top 3 rated FS pick in T Cloke that we bid matched included.
2 of which played in 2023 team. Loaded up on a spine at the draft before this dont rate kpp drafting crap we get last 15 years....
Literally had a tanking season that landed pick 2 and 5....
Add to that great talent ID and development of later picks and rookies.

What you are referring to is trading for need to fill the holes that drafting missed from 05-09.

2023 side had low drafted picks in Degoey, Moore, IQ, N.Daicos, to add to Pendles Steele etc

If you look at the last 20 years of Premierships, it's been the teams who tried to be as high up the ladder as possible who've won them. Sure they all had a couple of s**t years where they netted stars with early picks or luck with fayher sons, but Geelong, Sydney, WCE, Hawthorn, Collingwood and Ninthmond would be pretty low in terms of number of early picks per club in the years that built up to their flags.

Melbourne did it with a high number of early picks. But what it took was in 3 drafts getting the best player in the draft: Gawn(who wasn't an early pick), Petracca and Oliver. But even then they wouldn't have won without trading out early picks for Lever and May.

Maximizing early picks hasn't generally led to success. It's led to really long periods of being s**t and many of the early picks not developing very well.

 

[sam_e]

I’ll worry about that in the profoundly unlikely event that it happens with Poulter.

Poults is co-owner, with McCreery, in an apparel biz called 'Rager'. Looks like it's starting to take-off so ..

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[sam_e]

If you look at the last 20 years of Premierships, it's been the teams who tried to be as high up the ladder as possible who've won them. Sure they all had a couple of s**t years where they netted stars with early picks or luck with fayher sons, but Geelong, Sydney, WCE, Hawthorn, Collingwood and Ninthmond would be pretty low in terms of number of early picks per club in the years that built up to their flags.

Melbourne did it with a high number of early picks. But what it took was in 3 drafts getting the best player in the draft: Gawn(who wasn't an early pick), Petracca and Oliver. But even then they wouldn't have won without trading out early picks for Lever and May.

Maximizing early picks hasn't generally led to success. It's led to really long periods of being s**t and many of the early picks not developing very well.

the exception to the 'use your 1st rounders at the draft' rule is for KP guns:
-Ninthmond: Lynch (KP gun, tick)
-Geelong: Cameron (KP gun, tick)
-Melb: Lever & May (KP guns tick ..although May is a knob)
-Sydney: Buddy (KP gun, tick) ...although Swans didn't flag in the Buddy era
-WCE: Kennedy (KP gun ..beneficiary of Carlton trading away multiple 1sts + Kennedy for Judd)

 

[sr36]

the exception to the 'use your 1st rounders at the draft' rule is for KP guns:
-Ninthmond: Lynch (KP gun, tick)
-Geelong: Cameron (KP gun, tick)
-Melb: Lever & May (KP guns tick ..although May is a knob)
-Sydney: Buddy (KP gun, tick) ...although Swans didn't flag in the Buddy era
-WCE: Kennedy (KP gun ..beneficiary of Carlton trading away multiple 1sts + Kennedy for Judd)

Dangerfield - what a player - do cats flag without him?
Yeo - bargain but would have been worth a first - WCE wouldn't have won without him
Prestia - more important than Lynch to their flags - fantastic use of pick 6
Neale - haven't flagged yet but what a fantastic use of Pick 6
Dunkley - fabulous player who hasn't flagged with Lions yet, but well worth an early pick
Sydney's Josh Kennedy - gotten on the cheap but would have been worth a first round pick - do Sydney flag without him?

THat's just some mids off the top of my head - probably more and some flankers that would also fit the bill too

 

[No SPIN]

That 2010 team was built off the back of first rounders and a top 3 rated FS pick in T Cloke that we bid matched included.
2 of which played in 2023 team. Loaded up on a spine at the draft before this dont rate kpp drafting crap we get last 15 years....
Literally had a tanking season that landed pick 2 and 5....
Add to that great talent ID and development of later picks and rookies.

What you are referring to is trading for need to fill the holes that drafting missed from 05-09.

2023 side had low drafted picks in Degoey, Moore, IQ, N.Daicos, to add to Pendles Steele etc

Actually I’m talking about winning flags. Success is not exclusive about Top picks.
As others have pointed out, Carlton should have been dominating the flag count if that was the case.

Using Picks to lower risk ( ie using for the known quantity of established players) is far more sensible than the roulette of the draft.
I really can’t understand why this simple risk management strategy is so difficult for you to grasp.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

Poults is co-owner, with McCreery, in an apparel biz called 'Rager'. Looks like it's starting to take-off so ..

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Sounds like something we all desperately need more of…

 

[sr36]

Sounds like something we all desperately need more of…

I plan to spend my Winter in an over-priced hoody connected to a Collingwood player, drinking over-priced wine connected to a Collingwood player.

Could they just go back to buying pubs and selling beer at a standard price rather than trying to rip us off with their own over-priced labels. You'd think it was this generation of players who weren't earning enough to be fully professional and needed to find a way to support their income.

 

[sam_e]

Dangerfield - what a player - do cats flag without him? Selwood (#7, 2006) way more influential IMO
Yeo - bargain but would have been worth a first - WCE wouldn't have won without him Yeo not 1st rd'er; cost WCE #28 (2nd rd'er)
Prestia - more important than Lynch to their flags - fantastic use of pick 6 nah, Dusty, Lynch, Cotchin ahead of him for mine ..good player though
Neale - haven't flagged yet but what a fantastic use of Pick 6 agree
Dunkley - fabulous player who hasn't flagged with Lions yet, but well worth an early pick Good player but any better than McCluggage (#3, 2016) or W.Ashcroft (drafted #2, 2022)
Sydney's Josh Kennedy - gotten on the cheap but would have been worth a first round pick - do Sydney flag without him? Kennedy not 1st rd'er; cost Swans circa #39 (3rd rd'er)

THat's just some mids off the top of my head - probably more and some flankers that would also fit the bill too

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[sr36]

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I included Yeo and Kennedy as they would have been worth every cent of a first rounder - just as you included Lynch despite him not costing a trade at all.

Dismissing Dangerfield and Prestia because they were behind two all time greats in Martin and Selwood is a bit ridiculous. The respective talls were behind those blokes too.

Yep, Dunkley is a much better player than McCluggage. Ashcroft will probably end up better though.

 

[adammania9]

Why take away the FS’s? We still have to draft them. None are guaranteed successes, Will Kelly, Cal and Tyler Brown for instance.

It doesn’t exactly take exceptional talent ID to recognise the likes of Nick Daicos and Darcy Moore are good at footy

 

[Daicosian silk]

Pity we didn’t land Todd Marshall

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Todd Marshall

Age

25

Ht

198cm

Wt

94kg

Pos.

Fwd

Career

Season

Last 5

D

9.0

2star

K

6.4

3star

HB

2.5

2star

M

3.3

3star

T

2.5

4star

G

1.1

4star

D

8.9

2star

K

7.1

3star

HB

1.8

1star

M

3.8

4star

T

3.0

4star

G

1.1

5star

D

9.6

3star

K

5.6

3star

HB

4.0

3star

M

3.0

3star

T

2.4

4star

G

1.6

5star

. Sort of player we need. Kicked 4.2 and took 9 marks against the Tigers at the G today

 

[Daicosian silk]

If at least 2 out of Pendles, Sidey and Howe retire at the end of this year we should have a reasonable warchest to seriously chase a decent key position free agent.

 

[Lockyer24]

Thinking more about our long term and medium term lately, what player would compliment Nick?

HR

 

[Robroy22]

If at least 2 out of Pendles, Sidey and Howe retire at the end of this year we should have a reasonable warchest to seriously chase a decent key position free agent.

Cept lots of sides (Swans, Cats, North, Tiges etc etc.....) all have the same "warchests" available and all available "decent" KPP have or will be signed up by then. Jamara is the last available and we couldn't match an offer that Sydney will make for him anyway.