Play Nice 2024 Non AFL Crowds/Ratings and other Industry thread

[Teen Wolf]

The ALW GF of only 7,671 at AAMI Park is just pathetic and proves once again the the Matilda's success has not had a positive bearing on local ALW crowds that overall remain very low.

The only Women's Football comp in Australia to get half decent crowds is still the AFLW.

What's pathetic about it? That crowd figure doesn't seem to be a gross misrepresentation of domestic soccer's popularity in Melbourne.

The word "pathetic" would be more aptly applied to the AFL's decision to schedule an AFLW GF in Melbourne at a 12.5k-capacity venue.

 

[weewilly]

What's pathetic about it? That crowd figure doesn't seem to be a gross misrepresentation of domestic soccer's popularity in Melbourne.

The word "pathetic" would be more aptly applied to the AFL's decision to schedule an AFLW GF in Melbourne at a 12.5k-capacity venue.

I am referring to the over the top hype about Womens soccer in Australia which is mostly apart from the Matilda's just wishful dreaming on behalf of soccer urgers.

 

[Rob]

The ALW GF of only 7,671 at AAMI Park is just pathetic and proves once again the the Matilda's success has not had a positive bearing on local ALW crowds that overall remain very low.

The only Women's Football comp in Australia to get half decent crowds is still the AFLW.

I wouldn't have thought that's a bad crowd for Melbourne city. If it was the Victory that probably would be disappointing.

What would you consider a good crowd to be?

 

[BobbyMorri]

I am referring to the over the top hype about Womens soccer in Australia which is mostly apart from the Matilda's just wishful dreaming on behalf of soccer urgers.

It is the 2nd highest crowd for a grand final for womens soccer.

The best was last year. I mean, your words doesnt much the stats.

I won't lie, It would have been good to match the average men's crowd for Melbourne City against Sydney FC (which is 8.3K)

But it did beat the last match they played against each other this year (5.1K).

 

[The_Wookie]

Round 9, NRL Attendance and Ratings​

More than 135,000 people attended the NRL in Round 9, with the average staying well clear of 20,000 for the season.

South Sydney/Penrith

• Crowd: 8,155 at Accor Stadium
• 9 Reach: 1.355m
• 9 Average: 510,000
• FoxBVOD Reach: 402,000
• FoxBVOD Average: 249,000
• FoxSTB estimate: 244,000

Manly/Canberra

• Crowd: 10,215 at 4 Pines Park
• No FTA broadcast
• FoxBVOD Reach: 543,000
• FoxBVOD average: 300,000
• FoxSTB estimate: 294,000

Brisbane/Sydney

• Crowd: 40,190 at Suncorp Stadium
• 9 reach: 1.37m
• 9 Average: 649,000
• FoxBVOD Reach: 493,000
• FoxBVOD Average: 318,000
• FoxSTB estimate: 311,000

Canterbury/Wests Tigers

• Crowd: 17,068 at Accor Stadium
• No FTA Broadcast
• FoxBVOD Reach: 462,000
• FoxBVOD Average: 250,000
• FoxSTB estimate: 245,000

Gold Coast/Melbourne

• Crowd: 13,096 at Cbus Super Stadium
• No FTA Broadcast
• FoxBVOD Reach: 612,000
• FoxBVOD average: 323,000
• FoxSTB estimate: 316,000

North Queensland/Dolphins

• Crowd: 20,967 at QCB Stadium
• No FTA Broadcast
• FoxBVOD reach: 530,000
• FoxBVOD average: 313,000
• FoxSTB estimate: 306,000

Newcastle/Warriors

• Crowd: 16,094 at McDonald Jones Stadium
• NO FTA broadcast
• No Fox Broadcast information available

Cronulla/St George

• Crowd: 9,731 at Pointsbet Stadium
• 9 reach: 1.238m
• 9 Average: 500,000
• No Fox Broadcast information available

All data sourced from Oztam, VOZ, Mediaspy, NRL.com and League Unlimited. FoxSTB = set top boxes, and these estimates are based on the 0.98 ratio of FoxSTB to streaming from the 2023 season.

 

[Fire]

'Well clear' of 20k? Isn't the average 20.152k? That's potentially one match away from being under 20k.

 

[weewilly]

'Well clear' of 20k? Isn't the average 20.152k? That's potentially one match away from being under 20k.

Yep less than half the AFL ave even with the AFL having one more match!

 

[BobbyMorri]

https://nbl.com.au/news/nbl-strikes-new-media-deal

The Hungry Jack’s National Basketball League (NBL) will be accessible to more sports fans after the League extended its partnership with ESPN, secured a new free-to-air broadcast deal with Network 10, with games to be played on its main channel, in High Definition (HD) and renewed its deal with News Corp Australia (NCA) to deliver deeper basketball coverage throughout the 2024/25 season.

ESPN is widely regarded as the home of the NBL and basketball and remains the only place to watch every game including finals, live. ESPN will also continue to provide strong coverage for fans with weekly news and shows, including on digital channels.

ESPN’s NBL programming will also be available via Foxtel, Kayo Sports and Fetch TV.

new deal for the NBL. 15 years ago, the NBL was dead in this country, while the A-League was booming. How times have changed.

Larry has done a wonderful job. Has built year on year.

 

[The_Wookie]

Yep less than half the AFL ave even with the AFL having one more match!

that doesnt mean the NRL isnt doing well.

 

[weewilly]

that doesnt mean the NRL isnt doing well.

For them!

 

[MelbourneGWS]

Interesting analysis by the ABC on whether soccer capitalised on the Matilda’s World Cup interest. Crowd wise it would seem yes, but financially no

Record-breaking fans
In fact, the Mariners' crowds contributed to what ended up being a record-breaking season in terms of attendance in the ALW, with the regular season plus finals series seeing over 300,000 people pass through the gates. That number made it the highest-attended women's sports league in Australian history, surpassing the Super Netball and AFLW, with over double the cumulative crowds of last season.

Clubs on the brink
Despite these improvements, though, the A-League Women still fell short in a number of ways.

By season's end, two of the competition's foundation clubs, Newcastle Jets and Canberra United, were teetering on the edge of collapse after struggling with their own respective financial issues off the field.

While Newcastle have managed to secure a new owner and Canberra were temporarily spared by a government donation, these clubs' financial frailties have highlighted the precarious nature of professional club football in Australia and drawn into question the ongoing sustainability of the competitions that they're part of.

Did the A-League Women make the most of the Matildas' World Cup legacy?

From a new club to record crowds, the A-League Women tallied several big wins this season. But could the competition have done more to capitalise on the World Cup?

www.abc.net.au

 

[Cmarsh]

Daily Telegraph reporting that a relocated North Sydney Bears to Perth to be called the Perth Bears by 2030 is the preferred option for the NRL's 19th team.

 

[The_Wookie]

The Tigers kicked off the days play against Newcastle in Tamworth where 10,107 saw them take on Newcastle. This is just under what the match recieved last year (10,423) but ahead of the average for the venue which currently sits at 8,724. The Tigers themselves average 15,147 for the year.

At Jubilee Stadium, 7,517 turned out to see the Dragons play the Rabbitohs. The Dragons currently average 17,921 for the season, and 9,777 at Jubilee Stadium.

Finishing off the day, the Storm took on the Sharks in front of 18,670 folks at Aami Park. Melbourne home crowds average 20,446 this season.

Saturday NRL Attendances - May 11th, 2024 - Sports Industry AU

It was a big Saturday of NRL matches played across the Eastern Seaboard, with games in Tamworth, Sydney and Melbourne. The Tigers kicked off the days play against Newcastle in Tamworth where 10,107 saw them take on Newcastle. This is just under what the match recieved last year (10,423) but...

www.footyindustry.com

 

[The_Wookie]

Daily Telegraph reporting that a relocated North Sydney Bears to Perth to be called the Perth Bears by 2030 is the preferred option for the NRL's 19th team.

The Sydney Morning Herald reports that Perth might prefer to go it alone, saying that the traditions of the Bears and Jets have no relevance to Perth, and holding some of their matches in NSW to preserve their traditions might not be viewed with great sympathy by the Perth side of the operation.

NRL Expansion: Perth Bears possible, but Perth prefers own identity - Sports Industry AU

News Limited reports today say Peter Vlandys has plans for Perth to be a big part of the NRLs expansion plans, with the Bears likely to be put forward as the 19th team stationed in the West of the country. The NRL has established an expansion task force, which includes former Chair Peter Beatty...

www.footyindustry.com

 

[Rob]

Haha I doubt Perth people would particularly care less whether it's Perth Bears or something else. We don't have any particular hatred towards Sydney.
I would have thought a team here with a built in (albeit small) fan base in Sydney would be a good thing, cos I reckon it's going to take them a generation to build something significant over here.

 

[Cmarsh]

Haha I doubt Perth people would particularly care less whether it's Perth Bears or something else. We don't have any particular hatred towards Sydney.
I would have thought a team here with a built in (albeit small) fan base in Sydney would be a good thing, cos I reckon it's going to take them a generation to build something significant over here.

Perth Reds seemed to have a decent following from pretty soon after they were established.

 

[Rob]

Perth Reds seemed to have a decent following from pretty soon after they were established.

There was an initial novelty factor, but that died off after a year or so. Perth has a pretty big event goer population and you might get them to a game early, but they aren't going to be rocking up week to week once the initial hype dies down. Have a look of the state of the Glory or Western Force now. Both get 5 or 6000 a game, and both sports are much more popular.

People underestimate how small rugby league is over here. Playing numbers are literally in the hundreds, last I checked there is something like a dozen adult mens teams in the whole city. The rewards are there if the NRL are prepared to guts it out, but they need to make a decades-long commitment. If it all gets too hard 3 or 4 years in they have to stick with it.

 

[Johnny Bananas]

There's a fair point there if the Bears connection means a full slate of home games aren't played in Perth because some are moved to North Sydney Oval. I think the Suns and Giants having multiple games moved out of their primary markets has hamstrung their efforts to build a fanbase.

The solution is for the NRL to pay a couple of Sydney teams to move their home games against the Bears to NSO.

 

[kranger]

Levels of soccer participation in WA…

WA scores! Perth to host AFC Women's Asian Cup 2026 matches | Western Australian Government (www.wa.gov.au)

Following the FIFA Women's World Cup 2023, participation in football in WA has reached a record high with registrations surpassing the 50,000 mark, including a record-breaking 10,000 female players.

 

[Aussie in exile]

Levels of soccer participation in WA…

WA scores! Perth to host AFC Women's Asian Cup 2026 matches | Western Australian Government (www.wa.gov.au)

Following the FIFA Women's World Cup 2023, participation in football in WA has reached a record high with registrations surpassing the 50,000 mark, including a record-breaking 10,000 female players.

Some posters are not going to like this

 

[Johnny Bananas]

V'landys weighs in on PNG expansion rumours

'No done deal'

wwos.nine.com.au

I'd be a little cautious if I were the NRL. Start with Perth as team 18 and really think PNG through before committing.

 

[The_Wookie]

Netball Australia has announced strong game attendance and new commercial partnerships delivered an operating surplus in 2023.

Netball Australia reports another surplus in 2023 - Sports Industry AU

Netball Australia has announced strong game attendance and new commercial partnerships delivered an operating surplus in 2023. It was the second consecutive surplus recorded by Netball Australia as it continues to strengthen its financial position and grow the game. The 2023 financial results...

www.footyindustry.com

 

[The_Wookie]

Magic Round has been confirmed for another 3 years in Brisbane

NRL Magic Round confirmed for Brisbane until 2027

The NRL has announced that NRL Magic Round will return to Brisbane for the next three years.

www.nrl.com

 

[The_Wookie]

The opening game of the 2024 Ampol Women's State of Origin clash broke attendance and television rating records as New South Wales upset Queensland 22-12 at Suncorp Stadium.

Women's State of Origin opener breaks rugby league records

The opening game of the 2024 Ampol Women's State of Origin clash broke attendance and television rating records as New South Wales upset Queensland 22-12 at Suncorp Stadium.

www.nrl.com

NRL Womens State of Origin 1 rated a record average audience -and in the process smashing the previous Nine broadcast record for NRLW Origins – of 941,000 (including BVOD of 128,000) with a reach of 1.983 million. (Data: VOZ)

• 2023 NRLW Origin 1 – 643,000 on Nine and 118,000 on FoxSTB
• 2023 NRLW Origin 2 – 606,000 on Nine and 90,000 on FoxSTB
• 2022 NRLW Origin – 423,000 on Nine and 158,000 on FoxSTB
• 2021 NRLW Origin – 467,000 on Nine and 151,000 on FoxSTB
• 2020 NRLW Origin – 485,000 on Nine and 55,000 on FoxSTB
• 2019 NRLW Origin – 631,000 on Nine and 152,000 on FoxSTB
• 2018 NRLW Origin – 586,000 on Nine and 104,000 on FoxSTB

NRLW Origin is the highest rating NRL or NRLW or even AFL match shown on Free to air television this season (by average audience)

• NRLW Origin 1 - 941,000
• AFL ANZAC Day 895,000 (896k consolidated)
• AFL Pies/Blues 802,000 (819k)
• NRL Vegas 796,000 (808k)

It was a record attendance of 25,492 at Suncorp Stadium

Thursday TV and Crowds - May 16, 2024 - NRLW Origin sets record crowds and ratings - Sports Industry AU

NRL Womens State of Origin 1 rated a record average audience -and in the process smashing the previous Nine broadcast record for NRLW Origins – of 941,000 (including BVOD of 128,000) with a reach of 1.983 million. (Data: VOZ) It was a record attendance of 25,492 at Suncorp Stadium In Darwin, the...

www.footyindustry.com

 

[Cmarsh]

A League corruption scandal.

Players paid $10k to give away yellow cards in A-League games, police allege

Three Macarthur FC players are charged with a number of offences, including participating in a criminal group.

www.abc.net.au