Moved Thread Ben Griffiths Contract Discussion - SIgned

[TigerImposter]

I'd been in denial for quite some time because I'd hate to agree with Mr Magic, but as the game evolves towards bigger key position players, I'm seeing that JR is really more suited to be that third tall forward.

Comparing to, say, the Hawks, he's our Gunston. Griff is the roaming CHF (Buddy, before he left) and we just need Vickery to really start imposing himself deep ala Roughead. Get that forward line functioning, and making space for each other rather than crowding each other, and look out!

im glad you've seen the light.GET onboard the Griff carriage as hes a huge part of the Tiger train running express to the top

 

[Spanish_Fly]

Just keeps getting better and better, I was of the belief to sign him mid year cause he had shown a lot of potential. Well that potential is already starting to be realised. Can anyone imagine Vickery doing what Griff has done in the dying stages of the last few games. I cant.

 

[Damo80]

im glad you've seen the light.GET onboard the Griff carriage as hes a huge part of the Tiger train running express to the top

Always seen the role he could play, and wanted to retain him. Still don't think we should be held over a barrel by ANY player. Not saying that's what Griff is doing, but the club should stick to it's guns for the long term good (I.e. don't set a precedent of players holding us to ransom.... Dusty negotiations last off season were a great way to send that message, for example).

 

[TigerImposter]

Always seen the role he could play, and wanted to retain him. Still don't think we should be held over a barrel by ANY player. Not saying that's what Griff is doing, but the club should stick to it's guns for the long term good (I.e. don't set a precedent of players holding us to ransom.... Dusty negotiations last off season were a great way to send that message, for example).

i agree,but with such a short career life span you still have to look after yourself.only the Richos of the world can get into media roles or DH types into coaching etc .So it's a fine line and i hope it works out

 

[TheDyerLegacy]

Always seen the role he could play, and wanted to retain him. Still don't think we should be held over a barrel by ANY player. Not saying that's what Griff is doing, but the club should stick to it's guns for the long term good (I.e. don't set a precedent of players holding us to ransom.... Dusty negotiations last off season were a great way to send that message, for example).

I wouldn't be comparing the Dusty situation to the one we are in with Griffiths. I see it more like the White contract negations. The same outcome will happen if we try play hard ball over small details. I agree the club should not be held to ransom although as TigerImposter stated a contract could set himself up and I don't blame him for trying to get the best deal for himself.

 

[tigerz18]

if you look at our close games this year, the one person i have noticed standing out when needed is Griff. Has taken so many clutch marks this year, whether up forward or down back, and is improving in leaps and bounds the last few weeks. The best thing that happened to RFC is Vicks' brain fade.

sign him up for the next 4 years for whatever it takes to make him sign.

 

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Ralphy just tweeted that Dan Richardson says we're close to getting the deal done with Griffiths. There are others sniffing around just hopes he realises how much we've helped him. Also says a new deal for Astbury is close too.

 

[tigerz18]

Ralphy just tweeted that Dan Richardson says we're close to getting the deal done with Griffiths. There are others sniffing around just hopes he realises how much we've helped him. Also says a new deal for Astbury is close too.

i hope they arent going the path of 'he's a small deal, you owe us so you should sign this' Griff owes us nothing. They should be offering what is is worth, but if a club wants to offer $100k more then we seriously be worried then. Griff, at the moment, is worth a lot of moolah, and a club like Brisbane will pay overs for him. We need to use the 'you are an important team member and we are coming to play in successive finals, you have been a big part of that. staying with us will bring success and passion that other clubs cannot give you. RFC is the best club for you to play your football at and we want you to be a key member going forward'

 

[Mr Magic]

Ralphy just tweeted that Dan Richardson says we're close to getting the deal done with Griffiths. There are others sniffing around just hopes he realises how much we've helped him. Also says a new deal for Astbury is close too.

Hope this rumour is true. If we sign Griffith's his synergy with JR and Martin in particular not to mention Lids is critical to keep boys charging along!

Remember Griffith's is the same age as Dusty. He is VIP in terms of our windows and getting our premiership list together. In a way he is the glue to meld the mix together!

 

[MR]

Just keeps getting better and better, I was of the belief to sign him mid year cause he had shown a lot of potential. Well that potential is already starting to be realised. Can anyone imagine Vickery doing what Griff has done in the dying stages of the last few games. I cant.

Griffiths has a 10 minute purple patch per game and goes missing for the rest. Vickery can actually play four consistent quarters, and those four quarters are always much better than what Benny puts up. Yep, Griffiths has potential, is he better than Vickery? Not by a long shot.

 

[Calcium Man]

Griffiths has a 10 minute purple patch per game and goes missing for the rest. Vickery can actually play four consistent quarters, and those four quarters are always much better than what Benny puts up. Yep, Griffiths has potential, is he better than Vickery? Not by a long shot.

I really can't agree the Vickery can play a consistent 4 quarters. He plays a longer game then Griff but its lucky to be a half of footy.

Personally think both can fit in the team, Vickery is better closer to goal and Griff is better up the park. It would also mean a greater chop out in the ruck for both players, and if Vicks takes f50 ruck then Griff can play a kick behind the ball and help Rance and Chaplin rebound straight back into f50.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

Griffiths has a 10 minute purple patch per game and goes missing for the rest. Vickery can actually play four consistent quarters, and those four quarters are always much better than what Benny puts up. Yep, Griffiths has potential, is he better than Vickery? Not by a long shot.

You must look at different games to me son.

Vickery gets a lot of cheap kicks by hanging back behind the play. He rarely busts packs and takes pack marks. I actually think Griff's ruck work is better too. He has better football nous as his knock ons and 1%ers are usually to our advantage and clever. Vickery has better "stats" but who cares. I'd rather have one zone breaking 70m drop punt off two steps from Griff that results in a team goal than 5 dinky kicks that don't or even do hit their mark. People that look at stats to justify their argument mustn't watch the game too carefully. I hate the one - two handball for instance and that shouldn't be a "stat" that is counted because it means nothing 98% of the time. Or the short kick backwards unless it opens up play, which it doesn't on most occasions.

 

[MR]

You must look at different games to me son.

Vickery gets a lot of cheap kicks by hanging back behind the play. He rarely busts packs and takes pack marks. I actually think Griff's ruck work is better too. He has better football nous as his knock ons and 1%ers are usually to our advantage and clever. Vickery has better "stats" but who cares. I'd rather have one zone breaking 70m drop punt off two steps from Griff that results in a team goal than 5 dinky kicks that don't or even do hit their mark. People that look at stats to justify their argument mustn't watch the game too carefully. I hate the one - two handball for instance and that shouldn't be a "stat" that is counted because it means nothing 98% of the time. Or the short kick backwards unless it opens up play, which it doesn't on most occasions.

It's not about 'stats' but actual output. Vickery kicks goals and he kicks a lot of them. Griffiths is a better mark and kick than Vickery, but I'll tell you right now that the opposition would prefer Griffiths marking the ball from kick-ins than Vickery kicking goals.
IMO Griffiths should be dropped this week. He had an excellent first quarter when we were dominating, then disappeared the entire game until the last minute where he took a saving mark. That's just not good enough and won't cut it against the good teams when it really matters. At least I know I'll get a damaging forward out of Vickery.

I really can't agree the Vickery can play a consistent 4 quarters. He plays a longer game then Griff but its lucky to be a half of footy.

Personally think both can fit in the team, Vickery is better closer to goal and Griff is better up the park. It would also mean a greater chop out in the ruck for both players, and if Vicks takes f50 ruck then Griff can play a kick behind the ball and help Rance and Chaplin rebound straight back into f50.

The burning question is whether Richmond will try this combo in the finals series.

 

[TigerImposter]

When Griffo builds his tank up from a Marklin engine to a bullet train the people on here will be ecstatic. The signs are there and are becoming more evident by the week .in the last few weeks more people on here have seen the signs of this and have jumped on
So Get it done Tigers this guy is a genuine match winner and is a must for our future plans

 

[TJTIGER]

I really can't agree the Vickery can play a consistent 4 quarters. He plays a longer game then Griff but its lucky to be a half of footy.

Personally think both can fit in the team, Vickery is better closer to goal and Griff is better up the park. It would also mean a greater chop out in the ruck for both players, and if Vicks takes f50 ruck then Griff can play a kick behind the ball and help Rance and Chaplin rebound straight back into f50.

I agree with the above, IMHO both can play a similar game but I like the idea of both of them playing a role like Ben & resting forward or back when needed (Like a big ruck-rover depending on opposition match ups in tandem with Ivvy allows Ivvy more rest & doesn't need to cover as much ground). They both grow in confidence and contribute more when they are moving around the ground. May be difficult to coordinate/pull off, but may pay off big if it works & very big head ache for other clubs.. (My 2c worth)

 

[DontArgue4]

Can we stop comparing Vickery and Griff and actually talk about the contract, far out

 

[Ancient Tiger]

It's not about 'stats' but actual output. Vickery kicks goals and he kicks a lot of them. Griffiths is a better mark and kick than Vickery, but I'll tell you right now that the opposition would prefer Griffiths marking the ball from kick-ins than Vickery kicking goals.
IMO Griffiths should be dropped this week. He had an excellent first quarter when we were dominating, then disappeared the entire game until the last minute where he took a saving mark. That's just not good enough and won't cut it against the good teams when it really matters. At least I know I'll get a damaging forward out of Vickery.


The burning question is whether Richmond will try this combo in the finals series.

That's a bit unfair. He rucked quite a bit and got tap outs so he did not disappear. The ball rarely got to the forward line with any purpose after that. Just to prove that, how many goals or even kicks did Jack get in the second and third quarters?

 

[Cevap_Roll]

Can we stop comparing Vickery and Griff and actually talk about the contract, far out

Griff has a better hair cut then Vickery

 

[DontArgue4]

Griff has a better hair cut then Vickery

That i can agree with

 

[TigerImposter]

It's not about 'stats' but actual output. Vickery kicks goals and he kicks a lot of them. Griffiths is a better mark and kick than Vickery, but I'll tell you right now that the opposition would prefer Griffiths marking the ball from kick-ins than Vickery kicking goals.
IMO Griffiths should be dropped this week. He had an excellent first quarter when we were dominating, then disappeared the entire game until the last minute where he took a saving mark. That's just not good enough and won't cut it against the good teams when it really matters. At least I know I'll get a damaging forward out of Vickery.


The burning question is whether Richmond will try this combo in the finals series.

You've forgotten his efforts in the ruck where he and Maric have teamed up successfully
Also he may not win many stats but he competes at the drop of the ball and puts his big frame in the way
Even though he appeared to be quiet for two quarters he was still competing and had a backmen on notice
Griffo and Maric have been an awesome duo for the rfc in the last month

 

[NUFC Tiger]

Really hope we can secure Griff - lot of clubs would surely be interested in his services if he was on the open market.

FWIW, I also rate Vickery and with McBean, we're pretty well stocked in the KPF department

 

[TJTIGER]

I think also with Griff we are potentially seeing the beginning with him. He has been trained to play a range of positions. He has not mastered them yet but when he does (with more continuity). As BT says "wooowwwwwweeeee!!

 

[Calcium Man]

It's not about 'stats' but actual output. Vickery kicks goals and he kicks a lot of them. Griffiths is a better mark and kick than Vickery, but I'll tell you right now that the opposition would prefer Griffiths marking the ball from kick-ins than Vickery kicking goals.
IMO Griffiths should be dropped this week. He had an excellent first quarter when we were dominating, then disappeared the entire game until the last minute where he took a saving mark. That's just not good enough and won't cut it against the good teams when it really matters. At least I know I'll get a damaging forward out of Vickery.

I strongly believe Griff is why we dominated early. He played the CHF role we have been crying out for and linked up our HF line to our forwards. Yes he faded but Sydney paid him a bit more respect after that.

I don't think Vickery could do much more, but he is also smarter at getting into space in f50 for easy goals and thats a great thing because easy goals make life so much better for the team. But in the final 5 minutes of a close game i want Griff on the ground because that when he has stood up against Carlton Rd 1, Crows, Essendon and now Sydney. He and Dusty are like our last 10 minute specialist and finals football will be close.

The burning question is whether Richmond will try this combo in the finals series.

Thats the hundred million dollar question. Hard to change a winning team especially the 3 of the 5 wins Griff has been involved (and he has long been a good luck charm for us going back to his first season when i think we won every game he played). So i say no at this stage unless you're confident all 3 talls will chase and tackle like no tomorrow and all 3 can do it and have done it (Vicks and Griff are freak athletes for their height) but also have a habit of being lazy at times. But if it came off and they clicked we could go deep into the finals as only Sydney and Hawks would have a better forward line.

I don't believe that the start of the year when them and Hampson all played was done correctly either, Jack was not as comfortable with his floating role like he is now and Griff wasn't pushed up the ground enough so he and vickery got in each others way a bit. Franklin, Goodes and Tippet took a bit to gel as vastly more experienced players in a side with more opportunities so i think it is possible if we work on it all summer and find a guy like Walters or Ballentine to rove at their feet and apply exceptional forward pressure. I like Garlett as an instant impact. In the future maybe Payne from the jets as a taller version, i only saw the metro WA game but his forward 50 pressure was first class for 193cm guy, maybe more in the Mayne from freo mold.

 

[Mr Magic]

I strongly believe Griff is why we dominated early. He played the CHF role we have been crying out for and linked up our HF line to our forwards. Yes he faded but Sydney paid him a bit more respect after that.

I don't think Vickery could do much more, but he is also smarter at getting into space in f50 for easy goals and thats a great thing because easy goals make life so much better for the team. But in the final 5 minutes of a close game i want Griff on the ground because that when he has stood up against Carlton Rd 1, Crows, Essendon and now Sydney. He and Dusty are like our last 10 minute specialist and finals football will be close.




Thats the hundred million dollar question. Hard to change a winning team especially the 3 of the 5 wins Griff has been involved (and he has long been a good luck charm for us going back to his first season when i think we won every game he played). So i say no at this stage unless you're confident all 3 talls will chase and tackle like no tomorrow and all 3 can do it and have done it (Vicks and Griff are freak athletes for their height) but also have a habit of being lazy at times. But if it came off and they clicked we could go deep into the finals as only Sydney and Hawks would have a better forward line.

I don't believe that the start of the year when them and Hampson all played was done correctly either, Jack was not as comfortable with his floating role like he is now and Griff wasn't pushed up the ground enough so he and vickery got in each others way a bit. Franklin, Goodes and Tippet took a bit to gel as vastly more experienced players in a side with more opportunities so i think it is possible if we work on it all summer and find a guy like Walters or Ballentine to rove at their feet and apply exceptional forward pressure. I like Garlett as an instant impact. In the future maybe Payne from the jets as a taller version, i only saw the metro WA game but his forward 50 pressure was first class for 193cm guy, maybe more in the Mayne from freo mold.

The last thing we need to do is waste valuable picks on a small forward when we have Martin, Lids, Edwards as well as the others including Lennon and Lloyd. Maybe a forward who can play in the midfield like Edwards or a late pick but small forward role is pretty far from our needs atm IMO

 

[Morro]

Griff is a CHF, we dont have one, sign him now.

Ty is a FF/FP

Jack is a FF

We need to find a way to make it work with all 3, as we then have 3 players rotating in the ruck aswell which would be massive for these guys.

Maric to do 60% ruck
the others 20% each.

Griff was very good in a finals like game, that says alot IMO, time to get pen on paper.