HBF
Flying Scotsman
- Sep 24, 2002
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- AFL Club
- Carlton
Sounds more like a highway to me.Heathcote's main street....all 164km of it
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Sounds more like a highway to me.Heathcote's main street....all 164km of it
Don't worry about SEN alone, or for any other media people because once they get on roll, they'll just rinse and repeat.
In this case that may not be such a bad thing because we can't keep masking over that we're just not a well run organisation.
We demand accountability across other platforms but not so much the for people with the real whip hand.
I don't wish to go into any forecasting but we'd best get on our bike quickly and do this properly, as the downside to having a poor team and a business that's bleeding money, whilst not capable of attracting new members, will hurt us for much longer than having lost a few draft selections early in the '00's
Then enlighten me...Just so far off the mark in so many ways. Just no idea about the state of the club or what's happening there.
We have had no choice to bottom out.
I don't accept that. Frankly I'd rather they walked away now, we set the reset button, did a tin rattling campaign and returned the club to the members. For all our billionaire benefactors, why are we still heavily in debt? answer is, they like it that way so we won't turf them out. With all due respect to Jeanne Pratt, why is she a director? what skill set does she bring to our football club? she is well connected in the arts but this football club should be more than a pastime.It's a problem that we need them because lets face it without them we'd likely be gone.
Its the timing of this board fury that I don't really get. We drift along aimlessly post Pratt, lurching from one bad decision to the next, a case study in inactivity - and then we finally start making the hard calls for sustainable success(which outsiders have noticed). Then we decide the board has to go? Where was this when the fantasy land decision making was occurring?
Its the timing of this board fury that I don't really get. We drift along aimlessly post Pratt, lurching from one bad decision to the next, a case study in inactivity - and then we finally start making the hard calls for sustainable success(which outsiders have noticed). Then we decide the board has to go? Where was this when the fantasy land decision making was occurring?
people are fed up because many of the people on the current board had their fingerprints all over the Malthouse appointment. How many chances before they totally destroy the club?
What?Huh?
Really?
Malthouse was useless mate, face it. He turfed serviceable players, had an outdated game plan that made our list look much worse than what it was. "Wasn't afraid to send the team to the bottom to re-build", is that why he lured his injury prone best mate with stuffed ankles across on 700k? Spare me!Malthouse wasn't a disaster, we were, he tried to fix it, things were getting worse before they were getting better and here we are. You can't throw a bloke on a sinking ship and blame him for it sinking. We were f***ed well before we signed up Malthouse, it began when Ratten was there, there was no stopping it, it's why Ratten was sacked after 2012.
You know what was wrong with Malthouse? He wasn't afraid of doing things properly and sending his team to the bottom for a bit to rebuild it. He's done it before with Collingwood. He arrived, the list had no good young players, the team/list was crap and it was going nowhere but down. Blind freddy could see that. We were hanging on, just. The problem is that Malthouse wanted to do something that's not in the Carlton way. We have had no choice to bottom out. It was that or try and hang on to everyone and try and poach free agents and hang onto our mediocre success of being a bottom 4 finals team and then bottom out which was inevitable or to get it out of the way early and start the rebuild before we were forced to.
Malthouse was useless mate, face it. He turfed serviceable players, had an outdated game plan that made our list look much worse than what it was. "Wasn't afraid to send the team to the bottom to re-build", is that why he lured his injury prone best mate with stuffed ankles across on 700k? Spare me!
Ratten had a young list playing regular finals. He had issues, so did the team and a whole lot of places - like every young team progression doesn't happen in a straight line. All the club had to do was be patient instead of pull triggers left right and center.
"Blind Freddy could see that" - there are posts of you, yourself getting excited about our list in 2011. Mick thought our list was fine in 2013, which is why he chose to make no trades and go on a ******* book tour.
yes I agree but Mick told the board and the members it was 11.30 on the premiership clock and did nothing in the first trade period. Sure his hands were tied to SOME extent with list clogger contracts, but it was still a year lost.
I don't accept that. Frankly I'd rather they walked away now, we set the reset button, did a tin rattling campaign and returned the club to the members. For all our billionaire benefactors, why are we still heavily in debt? answer is, they like it that way so we won't turf them out. With all due respect to Jeanne Pratt, why is she a director? what skill set does she bring to our football club? she is well connected in the arts but this football club should be more than a pastime.
Malthouse wasn't a disaster, we were, he tried to fix it, things were getting worse before they were getting better and here we are. You can't throw a bloke on a sinking ship and blame him for it sinking. We were f***ed well before we signed up Malthouse, it began when Ratten was there, there was no stopping it, it's why Ratten was sacked after 2012.
You know what was wrong with Malthouse? He wasn't afraid of doing things properly and sending his team to the bottom for a bit to rebuild it. He's done it before with Collingwood. He arrived, the list had no good young players, the team/list was crap and it was going nowhere but down. Blind freddy could see that. We were hanging on, just. The problem is that Malthouse wanted to do something that's not in the Carlton way. We have had no choice to bottom out. It was that or try and hang on to everyone and try and poach free agents and hang onto our mediocre success of being a bottom 4 finals team and then bottom out which was inevitable or to get it out of the way early and start the rebuild before we were forced to.
Player development is a problem but it's not why we are no good. Teams like Sydney and Hawthorn get praised for player development. We use Casboult as an example, thing is teams like Sydney and Hawthorn wouldn't have him. We've picked a lot of players who can't be developed.
Yeah we haven't had an opportunity to rebuild as strongly as this, at the end of 2002 we didn't have much. We have a few that could be traded and a smart team who can recruit could upgrade upon.
Membership issues and bleeding money stem back to our lack of on field success over the last 15 years. But there are other aspects as well. Even equally mediocre clubs like Essendon seem to attract members so why can't we? Granted they have won a flag more recently but they are miles ahead. I think we're only just now starting to connect with fans. Not being privy to how we operate I can't comment on whether we're wasting money or poorly investing or what's going wrong operations wise. If we're not earning then you'd suggest trips over seas and things like that are unnecessary. I know one of the biggest problems has been that big wavy white elephant at Princes park.
People seem to have this hate up that we are run and influenced by too many power brokers. It's not a great thing. It's a problem that we need them because lets face it without them we'd likely be gone. I'm sure it would not have been an issue had we actually done the last rebuild right and had some success and put a flag in the trophy cabinet. In fact we'd probably be praising it instead of blaming it. Perhaps these people are the ones demanding the quick success that keeps crippling us and if that's the case then there's a problem here.
End of the day if you have the best players in the league... All of a sudden your coach is the best in the league, your development is the best in the league, your board is the best in the league and so forth.
We can't help ourselves, we love a good scape goat at Carlton. It was Ratten, then it was really mick, soon it will be barker, it's also the boars. It all comes back to how good your list is. Everything does and that comes back to list management and recruiting and if that's no good then it comes to those who put or kept those in charge in place and in place for too long.
Malthouse was useless mate, face it. He turfed serviceable players, had an outdated game plan that made our list look much worse than what it was. "Wasn't afraid to send the team to the bottom to re-build", is that why he lured his injury prone best mate with stuffed ankles across on 700k? Spare me!
Ratten had a young list playing regular finals. He had issues, so did the team and a whole lot of places - like every young team progression doesn't happen in a straight line. All the club had to do was be patient instead of pull triggers left right and center.
"Blind Freddy could see that" - there are posts of you, yourself getting excited about our list in 2011. Mick thought our list was fine in 2013, which is why he chose to make no trades and go on a ******* book tour.
Umm you are in it.Anybody know where the bluemour thread went?
A lot of sack the board, they caused all of this talk going on.
I haven't seen anybody put forward a viable and realistic alternative. You do realise these guys have to be voted back in by the members.
Problem is a lack of capable candidates. The only guy who has threatened to challenge is Tom Elliot and we are then just dipping back into the same well.
We can't just have any joe blow/opinionated BigFooty poster nominating for the board because his heart is in the right place. You have to have the right skillset to value add to the club and potentially do some fundraising.
Almost every criticism of our board is in hindsight so what makes us think we can bring in a bunch of fresh football people who will somehow make the right decisions in running a multi million dollar venture?
Just wish detractors would have a plan and the courage to step up.
The most I will say is that we have taken a lot of missteps over the years and an independent review of the club is prudent. I'm clueless other than that.
That's a fair point of course but just at this stage, I'd back "The Devil I don't now"
I don't care to sack the board but I think we'd all like a little more accountability and transparency.
A complete club audit executed by an external source, but I don't think we'd promote such an undertaking. We probably don't have enough money, anyway.
The way I'm seeing things is that it will get worse before it gets better but even that's better than just plugging holes.
Make no mistake.....this lot and their egos have got us to where we are. There's no other excuse for what is (was once) considered a powerful club.
Make no mistake. This lost weren't even there when we started going downhill.
You're throwing all your eggs in the one basket Harks.
As for backing the devil you don't know .... I don't even ...
Let's say someone like you wanted on the board Harks, what would you do to turn us around? Bear in mind that you have to pay for your ideas.
Theres a better chance of a 106 year old Harold Holt turning up on the shores of Portsea alive and well than there is of us removing the current board.