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If you say so.
I know so it's not some biased rant.
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If you say so.
I will type this slowly so do try to keep up.I know so it's not some biased rant.
I will type this slowly so do try to keep up.
You stated that S.Hill was the first Freo bloke tagged each week.
I said no actually Barlow and Fyfe are tagged first.
Do try to stay on topic.
Barlow isn't that damaging. Fyfe would out-body a tagger around the ball & out-mark them on the outside.I will type this slowly so do try to keep up.
You stated that S.Hill was the first Freo bloke tagged each week.
I said no actually Barlow and Fyfe are tagged first.
Do try to stay on topic.
The better player hardly ever gets the tag.I will type this slowly so do try to keep up.
You stated that S.Hill was the first Freo bloke tagged each week.
I said no actually Barlow and Fyfe are tagged first.
Do try to stay on topic.
Was that the game where he had 6 contested possessions, and 0 clearances?
No Stephen has been tagged first basically from his second season by the majority of clubs.
Actually Barlow and Fyfe are tagged first.
His third game he had Ling.I can't recall Barlow ever being tagged, like ever.
Not sure if you are reading this correct, Brad has Stephen covered in most stats when comparing at the same age.Considering at the same age Stephen had comparable, and better stats, in most areas than Brad, despite playing on a team that went 9-13, so not playing in the best team in the league, it's a very big call to assume Brad will catch Stephen.
http://www.footywire.com/afl/footy/...d1=3671&tid2=9&pid2=3109&type=A&fid1=O&fid2=O
Not sure if you are reading this correct, Brad has Stephen covered in most stats when comparing at the same age.
I know all the Freo fans will go on about how much Stephen Hill gets tagged in a midfield that has Mundy, Barlow and Fyfe though.
I'm reading it as Brad gets a few more uncontested possessions (in a team that's way better than Stephens, in a higher possession footy style overall), but Stephen beats him in goals, clearances, contested possessions, and one percenters, (you know the kind of important stuff) which is ironic considering Stephen used to get knocked for being a soft outside player. I wonder what that makes Brad?Not sure if you are reading this correct, Brad has Stephen covered in most stats when comparing at the same age.
I know all the Freo fans will go on about how much Stephen Hill gets tagged in a midfield that has Mundy, Barlow and Fyfe though.
I'm reading it as Brad gets a few more uncontested possessions (in a team that's way better than Stephens, in a higher possession footy style overall), but Stephen beats him in goals, clearances, contested possessions, and one percenters, (you know the kind of important stuff) which is ironic considering Stephen used to get knocked for being a soft outside player. I wonder what that makes Brad?
So he averages 2.9 touches more a game than Stephen at the same age, give adjustments for total team touches Freo (in 2011) averaged 2.1 touches per person less than Hawthorn players in 2014. So accounting for that it's hard to say that Brad was better than Stephen in 2011, let alone Stephens performance in 2014.Bradley Hill is an outside midfielder. He is used as a 'link up' player for Hawthorn. His role isn't to crash packs, it's to provide us with run and carry threw the midfield and that's something he's exceptional at. As evidenced by his performances in the 2013 & 2014 finals series. He may not be as good as his brother and he probably won't ever be, but he is already a damn good player too in his own right.
I'm reading it as Brad gets a few more uncontested possessions (in a team that's way better than Stephens, in a higher possession footy style overall), but Stephen beats him in goals, clearances, contested possessions, and one percenters, (you know the kind of important stuff) which is ironic considering Stephen used to get knocked for being a soft outside player. I wonder what that makes Brad?
You don't seem to comprehend. What i'm saying is that at the same age they were equivalent players in terms of the adjusted stats, and you'd be hard pressed to argue that Brad was better at the same age. Stephen is clearly better now.So what your saying is we should ignore the fact that we have Mitchell, Hodge, Lewis, Shiels ect as inside midfielders, and move Brad Hill (Who is a winger) into the square, ignoring his skillset (which is blistering pace, endurance, and amazing delivery into F50) to try and get him to win clearances (that our other inside players currently are very capable of winning) to allow him to measure up on your criteria on what makes a good footballer?
Brad Hill would be 90% of the player that Stephen is presently, and is younger. No way he is "clearly" better. He's probably ahead, but there isn't a lot in it, and if Brad keeps improving he is every chance to square it.You don't seem to comprehend. What i'm saying is that at the same age they were equivalent players in terms of the adjusted stats, and you'd be hard pressed to argue that Brad was better at the same age. Stephen is clearly better now.
Quicker is debatable, Brad has the superior endurance too.Both are very good. Stephen is more well rounded, probably better skilled and quicker, however Brad is more agressive and confident, which goes a long long way.
No I'm saying Brad's stats indicate that at the same age Brad has been a better player than Stephen.Matters little, you Hawks fans are saying Bradley is a better play now & that clearly is just not true.
So are you telling me he doesn't get tagged?
The stats you highlight the difference isn't that much. Brad being the soft outside player you think he is still averages the same # of tackles as Stephen. Also beats Stephen comfortably for average disposals. Considering he has spent a few games early on as the sub this is quite remarkable really. Brad is also a proven finals player, sadly at this point in Stephen's career he can't say the same thing. There are also other stats not measured here, like did you know Brad Hill was #1 in the AFL for effective disposal percentage for disposals in the attacking half of the ground?I'm reading it as Brad gets a few more uncontested possessions (in a team that's way better than Stephens, in a higher possession footy style overall), but Stephen beats him in goals, clearances, contested possessions, and one percenters, (you know the kind of important stuff) which is ironic considering Stephen used to get knocked for being a soft outside player. I wonder what that makes Brad?
Pace probably equal, skill, Stephen has a better longer penetrating kick, but Brad Hill was #1 in the AFL for effective kick percentage in the attacking half of the ground last year. Stephen is a better inside player but that is his job. Considering Fremantle setup their game around creating stoppages as part of their defensive strategy there isn't actually a lot between them when it comes to contested possession at the same point in their careers. Tackles are the same to this point as well which is impressive from Brad's point of view considering Fremantle as a team make more tackles than Hawthorn and Brad's role is a lot more outside than Stephens.Both are very good. Stephen is more well rounded, probably better skilled and quicker, however Brad is more agressive and confident, which goes a long long way.
No I'm saying Brad's stats indicate that at the same age Brad has been a better player than Stephen.
I'm also perplexed at how many guys you think teams allocate for tagging duties when you have midfielders such as Fyfe, Barlow & Mundy to worry about as well.