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They are not though, both have tried pretty hard to not win the league this season
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and what constitutes an actual challenge
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In your opinion sure.
In your opinion you think Mourinho has never been tested and never took on a genuine challenge and that he isn't as good as he is
But I ain't gonna say it's your opinion and it's never right or wrong, coz you're just wrong
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Well Liverpool would have been a challenge. Not having won the league in 24 years, not having the money of a Chelsea, Real Madrid. See how he goes their.
Obviously he isnt going to take the West Ham job or something like that but taking on Liverpool or perhaps someone like Atletico or Valencia in Spain and trying to break up the Barca/Madrid duopoly, that is a challenge.
Having Porto absolutely winning everything was quite monumental you would've thought, but apparently not
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why should he? why should any manager?
he took his challenges in portugal. he won porto a champions league. he's now in a position where he doesn't need to take those jobs because better jobs will always be on offer.
he took his challenges in portugal. he won porto a champions league. he's now in a position where he doesn't need to take those jobs because better jobs will always be on offer.
A lot of clutching at straws happening jod.
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So he takes on Porto who are the most successful team and biggest team in Portugal and wins titles. Not surprising. His CL win was however as let's remember im not saying he isnt a genius. Then he goes to Chelsea backed by billions of dollars and wins the league. Not surprising. Fails in Europe, surprising. Goes to Inter, one of the biggest, richest and most successful teams in Italy and wins a treble. Impressive but not surprising. Goes to Real Madrid and wins a league title, has billions of dollars, couldnt win the European Cup or really beat back Barca over his time their.
Now back at Chelsea with more billions of dollars.
The bloke is a genius. Has he ever taken on a real challenge. Not really no.
He had a Porto team dominating Europe for goodness sake
Ranieri had millions the season before and finished 3rd, he came in and broke the points record, and had them in the CL semi for however many times, and only we, the best team in the european competitions at the time, stopped them twice
Goes to Inter, a perennial underachiever in Italian football, took them to a historic and never before done treble, when Mancini was sacked for failing in Europe after having won the Serie A for them
You are bias and one eyed as ever
Ranieri had millions the season before and finished 3rd, he came in and broke the points record, and had them in the CL semi for however many times, and only we, the best team in the european competitions at the time, stopped them twice
Goes to Inter, a perennial underachiever in Italian football, took them to a historic and never before done treble, when Mancini was sacked for failing in Europe after having won the Serie A for them
You are bias and one eyed as ever
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One eyes and bias? How so? Im not saying oh Mourinho isnt as good as Rodgers. This discussion has nothing to do with Liverpool.
I think Mourinho is the best manager in the world. Porto is the biggest and best team in Portugal. He won there. Real Madrid and Chelsea are HUGE clubs backed by billions of dollars. He won there too. Inter Milan lets not forget had won three straight Serie A titles when Mourinho took over? Is that a challenge? No.
He is a genius but taking on a challenge isnt something I have seen from him. I would love to see him say manage Spurs and see if he can take them to the top. That would be a challenge. Or take over Valencia and break up Barca/Madrid or Napoli or Fiorentina and try to take them to the top of Italy.
He just always managed the very, very top clubs in each league he goes to.
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Which is obvious by the way as he is a big time manager who will only manage big time clubs with big time money and for big time money. Just not much of a challenge.
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I wouldn't underrate his successes at Inter either. I know he inherited a successful side, but then he won the first treble in Italian football. Not to be sniffed at.
You just blatantly ignore my post then goes off on something that has already been addressed
Porto dominating the Portugese league is a given, but do you know how crazy it is for them to win the CL? They haven't done it for decades. It's absolutely unheard of. He had players like Benni McCarthy dominating the competition for goodness sake
He won Inter's first CL for 40 odd years, when even under Mancini they were terrible in Europe. A historic treble never done before
Not to mention him basically putting Chelsea on the map as a club
But none of them is a sufficient challenge, heck no, because jod doesn't think so
Porto dominating the Portugese league is a given, but do you know how crazy it is for them to win the CL? They haven't done it for decades. It's absolutely unheard of. He had players like Benni McCarthy dominating the competition for goodness sake
He won Inter's first CL for 40 odd years, when even under Mancini they were terrible in Europe. A historic treble never done before
Not to mention him basically putting Chelsea on the map as a club
But none of them is a sufficient challenge, heck no, because jod doesn't think so
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Often that's an even bigger challenge than managing a battler.
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The top isn't that great either.
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Agreed with all you said. Porto winning the CL was amazing. Inter's treble amazing. I havent said he hasnt done amazing things and ive repeatedly said he is a genius.
Of course winning a treble at any club is a tremendous challenge which happens rarely.
A real challenge though away from the very top clubs is what id like to see.
We will never see it though.
It's also strange for Jose that he won the CL with Inter who hadnt won the European Cup in quite a while and of course his CL win with Porto but then cant win it with billions behind him at Real and Chelsea.
Anyways I dont think you understand what im saying by challenge.
This season for Rodgers to win the league, that's a challenge. For Mourinho at Chelsea, not so much. For Simone to win La Liga, that's a challenge. For Capello or Tata, not so much. For Hyypia at Leverkusen in the early going when he was hanging in there. That's a challenge. Pep at Bayern, not so much.
Do you understand.
No you dont. Let's move on.
Your concept of what is or isn't a challenge is terribly off
So you basically agreed that he has done unbelievable things and have made unprecedented history with his teams over the years but apparently none of them are still challenges, because you don't wanna see it as such
You are the only one who doesn't seem to understand much
So you basically agreed that he has done unbelievable things and have made unprecedented history with his teams over the years but apparently none of them are still challenges, because you don't wanna see it as such
You are the only one who doesn't seem to understand much
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Ok.. winning anything with Real Madrid is not a challenge.
Winning the league or cups with Inter who had won three straight titles before he arrived is not a challenge.
Winning the league with Porto was not a challenge.
Winning anything with Chelsea is not a challenge.
Yes winning the CL with Porto was amazing. Yes winning a treble was amazing but really the cup and league were obvious targets before the season started such was Inter's dominance. So winning the European Cup was very good.
Taking on a lower ranked side, rather than the best side in that country at the time would be a challenge. We will never see it.
Mourinho is a genius. We're arguing about nothing again.
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so you've started an argument over something you've stated won't happen.
good thing that wasn't pointless
good thing that wasn't pointless
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It seems like I'm in the wrong thread, I could have sworn this was the David Moyes thread.
Must be a Tapatalk problem
Must be a Tapatalk problem
Seriously? Ask previous Inter managers, btw they didn't technically win 3 leagues in a row, one of them got credited to them after Juve got stripped of their titles, they finished 2nd once
Winning things with Chelsea when they haven't done for decades in their history isn't a challenge? Tell Claudio Ranieri that
He displaced the best team of all time and won the league, I would've thought that was pretty amazing.
So you basically admit that he has done unprecedent, historic things with teams, and yet you're still gonna sit there and tell me those aren't challenges. You are out of your mind
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Here's the thing you're forgetting in all this.
He often moves to teams that have been 'underachieving'. When payroll is sky high, so are expectations.
This scenario is quite funny. He got sacked by Chelsea because the bloke playing the bills wasn't satisfied with the silverware he had won, only that he hadn't been able to take them to The Big One. Then he went to a club where the incumbent had been sacked for exactly the same reason. Then he took that club to an unprecedented treble. And now he's back at Chelsea, after they won The Big One with a manager they sacked not all that long after anyway.
And you think managing at big clubs isn't a significant challenge?
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I'm gonna bring it back to Moyes soon enough
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