Analysis Draft 2nd & 3rd round picks

[ROYAL EAGLE]

We have a lot of talk for our first round pick, thought I would move discussion of our next two picks

pick 32 players in the mix:

Daniel McKenzie (VIC – Def/Mid)
Height: 186cm, Weight: 75kg, DOB: 17/05/1996
Recruited from: Oakleigh Chargers
Range: 15-45
Profile: Damaging rebounding defender.

Damien Cavka (VIC – Mid/Fwd)
Height: 184cm, Weight: 79kg, DOB: 03/07/1996
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Range: 20-60
Profile: High motor mid.

Connor Menadue (VIC – Mid/Def)
Height: 188cm, Weight: 69kg, DOB: 19/09/1996
Recruited from: Western Jets
Range: 15-50
Profile: Explosive type with versatility.

Dean Gore (SA – Mid/Fwd)
Height: 183cm, Weight: 86kg, DOB: 26/06/1996
Recruited from: Sturt
Range: 25-65
Profile: Powerful midfielder.


Pick 51 & 69
I wouldn't mind any of these boys at either pick below

Lukas Webb (VIC – Fwd/Def)
Height: 186cm, Weight: 80kg, DOB: 03/04/1996
Recruited from: Gippsland Power
Range: 25-rookie
Profile: Versatile kicker.

Oleg Markov (SA– Fwd)
Height: 186cm, Weight: 69kg, DOB: 08/05/1995
Recruited from: North Adelaide
Range: 45-rookie
Profile: Athletic forward.

Mitch McGovern (WA–KPF/KPD)
Height: 191cm, Weight: 84kg, DOB: 11/10/1994
Recruited from: Bendigo Pioneers
Range: 45-rookie
Profile: Mature age key position player.

Brendon Abbott (WA – Mid/Fwd)
Height: 185cm, Weight: 92kg, DOB: 01/01/1995
Recruited from: Claremont
Range: 50-rookie
Profile: Powerful, damaging and explosive utility.

Teia Miles (VIC – Mid/Def)
Height: 179cm, Weight: 68kg, DOB: 11/02/1996
Recruited from: Geelong Falcons
Range: 40-rookie
Profile: Quick, hard midfielder.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

Here some profiles supplied by Knightmare:


Dean Gore (SA – Mid/Fwd)
Height: 183cm, Weight: 86kg, DOB: 26/06/1996
Recruited from: Sturt
Draft range: 25-65
Best position/role: Midfield – on the ball.
Strengths:
Contested ball winning ability – Gore is a strong contested ball winner and attacks the ball at pace, more often than not coming out with it. He is strong over the ball and is clean with his pickups off the deck and can take it off the deck on the move. His contested ball winning numbers were strong both through the U18 Championships and at SANFL League level.
Strength and power – Gore has a strong body and uses it to his advantage. He seemingly never goes to ground. He uses his strength over the ball to firstly win the contested ball but then can also bully his way through the contest with his forward momentum. He hits the contest at pace and has the strength and low centre of gravity to stand up in the tackle and the forward momentum to keep moving forward with the ball even through the tackle, such is his strength through the hips or get a clean handball off to a target. He will bury guys in his tackles and do some real damage when he takes guys to ground. He has the strength in the 1v1 contest to beat his guy.
Pace and endurance - Gore also for such a big bodied midfielder has excellent explosiveness, really in traffic almost always moving at full pace and going on 10m to 15m high speed bursts, exploding through the contest. He seems to have very good pace over 20m and also overs the ground well and has good endurance which is pleasing for a big bodied midfielder.
Tackling – Gore has excellent tackle numbers but in addition to that he also attacks the man with real ferocity really burying guys in his tackles and knocking the stuffing out of them making it a real strength of his game.
Skillset – Gore has a very good skillset by position. He has a long 55m kick on him and can finish on goal from range. To a target Gore is very good over short and medium distances and can when he has time and space lower his eyes but over long distances he has shown a tendency too often to blast away to a contest. By hand Gore is reliable in finding his targets consistently and in delivering cleanly.
Marking ability – Gore is a strong mark overhead and has a real strength of hands overhead. He can take marks on the lead and is also a strong mark 1v1 and can out-body his opponent in the contest for the mark. He is also a strong mark in the air displaying an excellent vertical jump.
Versatility – Gore while a midfielder first can also play in the front half and present as a marking target, provide some tackling pressure and hit forward 50 targets or hit the scoreboard. It is also not out of the question that he could as required play in the back half as he has a strong body but then also athletically and from a skill standpoint is more than good enough to make that transition into the back half if required.
Weaknesses:
Kicking under pressure - Under pressure in the contest by foot he can rush it onto his boot and kick it forward without look more than he perhaps needs to when he stands up so strongly though the tackles of opposition players.
Ability to accumulate outside – At this stage Gore as with most inside players at this stage does not find much ball outside the contest and still needs to learn where to run outside the contest to get more involved in general play.
Ability to do damage outside – Gore while quick inside the contest is not a threat at this stage to break the lines on the outside or break games open with his kicking or do anything game changing outside the contest.
What I expect will improve:
I expect Gore to continue to improve his inside game and as he progresses, to become more of a weapon in the front half as well as also learn how to find more ball outside the contest.
Who he can become?
I see Gore developing into someone similar to Josh Caddy as that similar big bodied midfielder who can at times rotate forward.
When will he be ready to play?
Gore has the ability to play as soon as season one and fit in at AFL level given his proven performance at SANFL League level.
How to best utilise him?
Through the midfield on the ball with occasional stints in the front half.
Interpretation of his numbers:
Numbers through the U18 Championships were strong collecting excellent contested ball numbers and tackle numbers. He has also in his play at SANFL League level showed that he can play and play well against the older bodies collecting strong numbers and also with strong contested ball numbers, strong clearance numbers, excellent marking numbers, a very good disposal efficiency with both his work by hand and foot good, as well as the ability to hit the scoreboard most games. Going off his play at SANFL League level Gore is capable of playing in season one.

Connor Menadue (VIC – Mid/Def)
Height: 188cm, Weight: 69kg, DOB: 19/09/1996
Recruited from: Western Jets
Range: 15-50
Best position/role: Midfield – on the ball.
Strengths:
Explosive sidestep – Menadue probably has a more explosive sidestep than anyone else presently in the game. He has some evasiveness and avoids tacklers to a high level but it is less in that Pendlebury evasive style where he looks like he has more time and space than anyone else but more an explosive, leave you in my wake variation on that. It starts with his explosive first step that he uses to get around guys and avoid tackles, moving explosively sideways to create separation and exploding past you. It is his major point of difference and is something he can use frequently in game whether it is in general play or after a mark.
Acceleration – In addition to the explosive sidestep Menadue has elite acceleration. He has that explosive first step, gets up to top speed quickly and has a top speed few others possess. He can go on long, full exertion runs with ball in hand and break away from the contest or break the lines on the outside to a high level, typically with runs of 20m-40m until he is either in range to finish for a goal or hit a target inside 50 lace out.
Skillset – Menadue from a skillset standpoint has it all. He is a precision kick and hits his targets over a variety of distances. He is an excellent kick under pressure and when tackled has shown that he can even in these situations find long targets lace out. He has the vision to find the best targets and the most damaging long targets. He consistently makes the best decisions by foot, looking for open targets rather than going long down the line to a contest. He is also an excellent finisher when within range from goal in general play whether on the run or from a stationary position. His work by hand is also excellent and he also by hand has the vision to find targets over a variety of distances and has the vision to find the most damaging outside runners.
Gamechanging ability – Menadue is a real highlight reel player and on his day has the talent to change games with his influence with his mix of traits with his sidestep, acceleration and his footskills and he showed in his only final v Dandanong that he can put forward a game whereby he can really exert his influence on numerous plays across the four quarters. It is also possible given his performance in his one final that he is a big game specialist but a larger sample size of big games would be required to determine this. He also has during the season for Western Jets had his moments where he has lifted in critical moments, exerting his influence which I have also been encouraged by.
Goalkicking – Menadue is a genuine goalkicking midfielder and has managed multiple goals in a number of his games through the midfield this year with his finishing ability from general play excellent. Many of those goals come thanks to his explosive ability to burst through the midfield to around the 50m mark and then kick the 45-55m long goal and it is something I expect to see a lot of at AFL level. He can also when in the forward 50 sidestep guys to create space for the easy finish which is another of his ways from general play to hit the scoreboard.
Versatility – Menadue has shown that he can not only play through the midfield but also be utilised off a back flank as a rebounder with his explosive pace and footskills real weapons if you can get the ball into his hands on a back flank, so he is someone who while best utilised through the midfield can as required get thrown behind the ball.
Upside – Menadue given his mix of dominant traits with his pace, explosive sidestep and footskills gives off the sense that he has tremendous scope to develop. He had that breakout final performance and given he has a light body it can reasonably be assumed that he has significant footballing and physical growth remaining that could further help him elevate his game.
Weaknesses:
Light body – Still only 69kg and will need to put substantial weight onto his frame before he is ready to play at AFL level. As such a light body it also brings into question once he puts on the weight whether he will retain that explosiveness, with that an unknown until we see it.
Contested ball winning ability – Still a work in progress and not something he does enough when played through the midfield as more of a receiver at this stage but the hope would be that as he puts more size onto his frame and that the contested side to his game will improve. What he can do well is read the ruck taps to get first possession and then use his explosiveness to burst forward which is one positive sign that he can develop his inside game.
Ability to take easy marks around the ground – While Menadue is capable overhead and capable even of taking some strong contested marks at times he lacks on the outside the ability to be a linkup target in forward chains at this stage as someone who outside the contest does not find much of the ball all that easily and really needs to be fed the ball by hand to get his hands on it much of the time rather than being in position to take those easy marks outside the contest. Understanding this Menadue will need to improve his running patterns in general play and start to work more into space so that he can find more of the ball.
Relatively lean and inconsistent production – Menadue at this stage while a high impact player when he has the ball, does not accumulate big numbers every game. He can at this stage have his quiet games and more quiet games than you would ideally like. He can also get tagged out of games and with it struggle to find the footy.
What I expect will improve:
I expect Menadue to continue doing what he does but also put weight onto his frame, to find more of the footy more often and to improve his inside game as he has played much of the past couple of seasons in the back half and will with more time on the ball improve his inside game.
Who he can become?
I see Menadue as being a slightly less productive Jonathan O’Rourke as a similar tallish but lightly built dynamic midfielder with that same explosive pace and excellent footskills.
When will he be ready to play?
I see Menadue taking some time and likely looking to establish himself as a regular in season three once he has put some size onto his frame and improved his inside game.
How to best utilise him?
Menadue is more an outside type at this point but once he puts some size onto his frame I expect will be best utilised on the ball through the midfield as someone you want around the ball and consistently impacting games.
Interpretation of his numbers:
Menadue’s numbers both through the U18 Championships and at TAC Cup level have lacked some consistency and have been only moderate. He has over the second half of the season shown strong signs through the midfield and has hit the scoreboard with frequency which is something he did not do last year or in the first few games this season. His disposal efficiency is excellent both at TAC Cup level and particularly through the U18 Championships with his role primarily in the back half helping with that efficiency through the U18 Championships. His tackle numbers are also very good by position and are helped by his speed and agility. He finds a large proportion of his ball through handball receives and will need to start winning more of his own ball and taking more marks around the ground to take that next step towards becoming a high production player.

Daniel McKenzie (VIC – Def/Mid)
Height: 186cm, Weight: 75kg, DOB: 17/05/1996
Recruited from: Oakleigh Chargers
Draft range: 15-45
Best position/role: Half back flank.
Strengths:
Athleticism – McKenzie is one of the standout athletes in this draft testing in the top 10 for agility, running vertical jump, repeat sprints and the 3km time trial. McKenzie frequently uses his pace in game to break the lines and provide meaningful run and carry with ball in hand.
Defensive ability - He also uses his athleticism well defensively and it allows him to restrict the influence of his direct opponent by being able to stay with them not only for pace, in the air and also around the ground. He also runs back strongly in transition as one of the best transition runners in this draft.
Footskills – McKenzie is one of the elite kicks in this draft. He has a long penetrating kick and over a variety of distances can hit his targets lace out. He kicks it out in front of leading players, guiding them to where he wants them to lead to give them the easiest possible uncontested marks. He is capable at times of delivering low, hard daggers for kicks that can get to their destination quickly. He also is a highly efficient kick and while he is damaging, he also is a consistent kick, mostly connecting sweetly on his kicks.
Vision and decision making ability – McKenzie has elite vision and consistently finds the best targets up the ground. He can find targets inside 50 lace out consistently for easy marks but then also finds long targets up the ground and executes and hits them no problem.
Intercept marking – McKenzie reads the flight of the ball well and in the back half is a very good intercept mark, and makes good decisions as to when he can peel off his opponent to take the intercept mark.
Versatility – McKenzie while best suited on a back flank is also as required capable on a forward flank or through the midfield. He can also play a variety of different roles and down back he is not only effective as a rebounder but also can close down his direct opponents influence.
Weaknesses:
Offensive influence – McKenzie does not every week have as noticeable of an offensive influence on the outcome as he should as someone with his linebreaking ability and footskills with only some meaningful possessions each game, though as the season he has improved at this and become more damaging more often.
Easy outside ball – At this stage McKenzie does not find as much easy outside ball as he should and out of the back half and as a link man needs to find more space and find more ways to get his hands on it more as he is someone who can at times do damage with ball in hand.
Slow start to the season – Over the first half of the season McKenzie’s performances were mild at best but as the season progressed he worked his way into the season and started to find the ball more often as he played more in the back half.
What I expect will improve:
McKenzie I imagine will look to kick his hurt factor up a gear in the AFL system, look to find more of the ball and look to influence games offensively more often.
Who he can become?
McKenzie although slightly less damaging has the scope to develop into something like Aaron Mullett as a similarly damaging back flanker.
When will he be ready to play?
McKenzie from season two I imagine will start to push for some senior games and come season three I expect he will be looking to establish himself as a regular part of a best 22.
How to best utilise him?
McKenzie is best utilised across a back flank.
Interpretation of his numbers:
McKenzie’s numbers over the first half of the season were unimpressive but over the second half he started to find more of the ball. He would benefit from finding more uncontested ball with his uncontested ball numbers lower than they could be. His disposal efficiency and kicking efficiency is very good. His marks per game numbers of the second half of the season were very good. His tackles per game numbers are strong by position.

Damien Cavka (VIC – Mid/Fwd)
Height: 184cm, Weight: 79kg, DOB: 03/07/1996
Recruited from: Calder Cannons
Draft range: 20-60
Best position/role: Rotational midfielder/forward.
Strengths:
Endurance – Cavka is one of the elite endurance runners in this draft and runs all day out on the field, covering significant ground and running his direct opponents off their feet weekly. He has a 16+ beep and he runs well both ways and plays very much a two way game.
Big game performer – Cavka in his two finals performances this year significantly lifted his performance managing what I would argue were his two best performances of the season with a 30 disposal, 13 mark and 5 goal performance and a 26 disposal, 9 mark and 3 goal final. He also performed strongly through the U18 Championships showing that against the best in the country that he also had the ability to perform strongly.
Scoreboard impact – Cavka from his 11 games at TAC Cup level this year kicked 17 goals which for a forward/midfielder is excellent. He has a habit of finding ways to hit the scoreboard and is capable both from set shots and from field kicks and snaps inside the forward 50. He is a capable crumber but also a volume mark inside the forward 50 due to superior workrate and smarts to find the vacant spaces for easy uncontested marks.
Improvement – Over the second half of the season and specifically from August onward through the TAC Cup Cavka significantly lifted his production going from averaging less than 20 disposals per game to averaging more than 25 disposals per game and also during that time improving his mark, tackle and goal per game numbers. Given this strong trend of late season improvement it can be reasonably assumed that Cavka will continue to improve strongly over future seasons.
Marking ability – Cavka is a sound overhead mark but it is his smarts and workrate to find those vacant spaces to get into for easy marks that makes him a high volume mark at over seven marks per game through the TAC Cup this season. He also does very well finding those spaces in the forward 50 for easy marks.
Tackling ability – Cavka is a volume tackler averaging just fewer than seven tackles per game through the U18 Championships and nearly five tackles per game in the TAC Cup. He is not someone who will bury guys into the turf with aggression but he is just a sound tackler who seems to anticipate the play well and get into position quickly to tackle guys.
Inside outside balance – Cavka has a good balance between inside and outside game. Inside the contest he has shown that he is capable of winning his own ball, tackling and dishing it off by hand and on the outside Cavka finds space to take easy uncontested marks and runs his guy off his feet.
Versatility – Cavka has shown the ability to play a wide variety of roles and has played through the midfield, forward, back, and sometimes even in run with roles so there are many ways to utilise Cavka and he gives you plenty of options.
Weaknesses:
Footskills – Cavka’s footskills can at times let him down, with some minor inconsistency issues. In addition to being inconsistent by foot he is not a damaging kick with special penetration or ability to do damage.
Pace – Cavka covers the ground well but is more an endurance beast than someone with the pace or ability to take on the game and break the lines.
Impact – Cavka can have his 25 disposals, seven tackles and seven marks but you do not generally feel the impact of his touches as a low flash, low impact guy.
What I expect will improve:
With his numbers trending upward I expect Cavka to continue to improve as an accumulator and continue to get his hands on the footy more as he continues to improve as he has the endurance but then also the balanced inside/outside game to be a big time accumulator.
Who he can become?
Cavka has the scope to develop into something like a poor man’s Nathan Van Berlo.
When will he be ready to play?
Cavka has the ability to play some games as soon as season one but he is more likely to establish himself as part of a best team in season two or three.
How to best utilise him?
Cavka is best utilised rotating between the front half and midfield.
Interpretation of his numbers:
Good balance between contested and uncontested ball winning ability. Tackling and mark per game numbers are excellent. Has an excellent mix between ability to accumulate and hit the scoreboard doing both to a high level. He can also as required negate the influence of opposition midfielders. Disposal efficiency below average but sufficient.

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

I personally very big fan of Daniel McKenzie and Dean Gore out of that lot.

 

[Carbine Chaos]

How about Jack Lonie for the 3rd pick? Small forward in the Ballantyne mould perhaps?

 

[Miguel Sanchez]

A few people have asked for a separate poll for our second-rounder. This is probably a good place to have it.

ROYAL EAGLE who should the options be for the poll? Give me your most likely dozen or so names and I'll add it.

 

[steve hucka]

Caleb Hislop pick 69 !!

 

[ROYAL EAGLE]

A few people have asked for a separate poll for our second-rounder. This is probably a good place to have it.

ROYAL EAGLE who should the options be for the poll? Give me your most likely dozen or so names and I'll add it.

Daniel Mckenzie
Dean Gore
Connor Mendue
Mitch Mcgovern
Damian Cavka
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow
Touk Miller
Declan Hamilton
Edward Vickers-Willis
Clem Smith
Jordan Cunico
Jackson Nelson

 

[The_Reaper]

I want Markov because he has a good jump process

 

[Masto]

When I look at the 2nd to 4th round players I see a plethora of fast outside guys. This is why I would be okay with taking someone like Blakely or Duggan in the 1st:

Daniel McKenzie
Nathan Drummond
Oleg Markov
Matt Goodyear
Ed Langdon
Jack Lonie
Daniel Butler
Bailey Dale
Will Fordham
Blaine Boekhorst

 

[Lyyynnnchy]

Menadue andAbbott for me. Would then hope we can pick the Gov Jnr up in the rookie draft

 

[WCE1698]

Gore and Boekhorst for me.

 

[WCE1698]

http://boundforglorynews.com/paige-cardonas-phantom-draft-6-0/ how is Gore not in her phantom draft?

 

[Masto]

http://boundforglorynews.com/paige-cardonas-phantom-draft-6-0/ how is Gore not in her phantom draft?

Because he is overrated? Nah he should be in there somewhere.

 

[WCE1698]

Because he is overrated? Nah he should be in there somewhere.

From Knightmares write up he sounds like a good player.

 

[Masto]

From Knightmares write up he sounds like a good player.

He is an okay player. I would compare him to Mitch Grigg from Adelaide. He is a solid midfielder but not an elite one - plus lacks an outside game so if he doesn't make it as an elite midfielder (likely IMO - and lets face it only the elite ones carve out long careers there) then he is kind of in no-mans land.

 

[joeyavalanche]

Based on all the above write ups.....












I have no idea!

 

[dajesmac]

Daniel Mckenzie
Dean Gore
Connor Mendue
Mitch Mcgovern
Damian Cavka
Dillon Viojo-Rainbow
Touk Miller
Declan Hamilton
Edward Vickers-Willis
Clem Smith
Jordan Cunico
Jackson Nelson

Good list, though Cunico seems earlier than where I've read previously.

Rainbow, Miller, Menadue, Gore, Hamilton

Any of those I would be very happy with, with Rainbow and Menadue probably a bit ambitious. I've heard Menadue linked to Essendon's picks at 17 and 20, aswell as Vickers-Willis.

 

[Dark Sharks]

Want Rainbow and Menadue the most, but like Dajesmac said, they'll most likely be gone.

 

[Eastern Rangers]

If a certain player gets picked at 32 i'll be calling for an overhaul of our recruiting and talent identification process.

 

[paran]

If we pick a certain player gets picked at 32 i'll be calling for an overhaul of our recruiting and talent identification process.

Not when if he's been doing the tank?

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Not when if he's been doing the tank?

Would make Darling look like an amateur.


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[tesseract]

Mitch McGovern is an awkward in between height. It wouldn't be so bad if he were a midfielder, but he's not. He's not KPP height either. Given this, is he good enough to find a niche as a somewhat undersized third tall in defence or as a HFF?

 

[beatlesmith]

With Carter, Brennan, Smith and Wilson gone, Waters under a perpetual injury cloud and Butler on his last legs, I definitely like the idea of a medium defender, especially if we don't pick up Duggan.

Don't see Menadue sliding that far, but if he did I'd be thrilled. Hopefully one of Menadue, Rainbow or Mckenzie are available.

Clem Smith and Lonie would be a good shout with our third pick, while McGovern and Abbott would be nice in the fourth round.

My ideal draft (within reason) would be: Cockatoo, Rainbow, Smith and Abbott, with McGovern as a rookie.

 

[Marlin01]

Where do you guys think Aiden Anderson will go? I'd like to see him on our list. I can see him starting his career as a forward and developing into a mid in a similar vain to Stevie J.

 

[Masto]

If a certain player gets picked at 32 i'll be calling for an overhaul of our recruiting and talent identification process.

Mitch McGovern? Right?