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2023 AFL Trade Period and the AFL Draft

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Current draft picks: done
2024 draft picks: 1st, 2nd, 4th (Fre), 4th (GC), 4th (WBU)

List changes:
Out: 7 - Ed Curnow (Ret), Plowman (Ret), O'Brien (Del), Philp (Del), Honey (Del), Fisher (Trade), Dow (Trade)
In: 6 - Rob Monahan (IIR-CatB), Elijah Hollands (Trade), Orazio Fantasia (DFA), Ashton Moir (pick 29), Billy Wilson (pick 34), Matthew Carroll (Rookie pick 15)
Uncontracted: 0.
Retained SSP Players: 2 - Cincotta, O'Keeffe
Upgraded Rookie: 1 - Cottrell

List status:
Senior - 36 (36-38)
Rookie - 6 (0-6)
Cat-B Rookie - 2 (0-2)
Total - 44 (44)

Free spots - 0

Note - Matt Duffy (Ireland) not included - assumption is he was not listed after injuring knee.

List Lodgment Dates: OPEN
Tue 31-Oct: List Lodgment 1 COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Father/Son, NGA, Northern Academy bidding nominations close COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: International Scholarship Listed players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Thu 9-Nov: List Lodgment 2 COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Father/Son Primary List lodgment close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Players not registered for 3 years inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: International Players inclusion on rookie list lodgment COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov: List Lodgment 3 (post National draft) COMPLETE
Thu 23-Nov: FINAL List Lodgment (post PSD & Rookie drafts) PENDING

The Draft:
Mon 20-Nov
Time 7pm: National Draft Round One COMPLETE
Tue 21-Nov
5.45pm - 6.30pm: Selection Trade period COMPLETE
7pm: National Draft Round Two to completion COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Rookie Promotion to Primary List COMPLETE
Following completion of draft: Delisted Free Agency Period (3) COMPLETE
Wed 22-Nov
Northern Academy and NGA Academy eligible Pre-Selected Rookie and Father-Son Pre-Selected Rookie player nominations
3pm: AFL Pre-season Draft COMPLETE
3.20pm: AFL Rookie Draft COMPLETE

Supplementary Selection Period (SSP): PENDING
Mon 27-Nov 9am: SSP starts (players must have been on AFL list previously OR nominated for 2023 draft)
Mon 19-Feb 5pm: SSP ends


Draft Nominations: CLOSED
Tue 10-Oct 9am: AFL Draft Nominations open COMPLETE
Tue 31-Oct: Out-of-contract listed AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov 3pm: AFL Draft Nominations close COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Delisted AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft) COMPLETE
Mon 13-Nov: Non-retained rookie list player draft nomination close COMPLETE

Player and Selection Trades: CLOSED
Mon 9-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Commences – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Wed 18-Oct 7.30pm: AFL Trade Period Closes – Players & Selections COMPLETE
Mon 23-Oct 9am: AFL Trade Period Opens – Selections Only COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: AFL Trade Period Closes –Selections Only COMPLETE

Delisted Free Agency Periods: CLOSED
Wed 01-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) commences COMPLETE
Wed 08-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (1) closes COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 9am: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) commences COMPLETE
Fri 10-Nov 5pm: Delisted Player Free Agency Period (2) closes COMPLETE
(see also period 3 under "The Draft" section below)

Restricted/Unrestricted Free Agency Trades: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct 9am: AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period Commences COMPLETE
Fri 13-Oct 5pm: Close of AFL Restricted Free Agency Offer and Unrestricted Free Agency Period COMPLETE
Mon 16-Oct 5pm: AFL Restricted Free Agency Matching Offer 3 Day Period Ends COMPLETE

Draft Combines: CLOSED
Fri 6-Oct to Sun 8-Oct: National Draft Combine COMPLETE
Sun 8-Oct: Victorian State Combine COMPLETE
Sat 14-Oct: SA/NT State Combine COMPLETE
Sun 15-Oct: WA State Combine COMPLETE

6-Oct
1. James Jordon to Sydney as UFA. Melbourne receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (40)
2. Matt Flynn to WCE as UFA. GWS receive end of 2nd round pick as compensation (41)
8-Oct
3. Joel Hamling to Sydney as UFA. Fremantle do not receive any compensation.
9-Oct
4. Tom Doedee to Brisbane as RFA. Adelaide receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 20)
5. Pick Swap: GCS trade picks 5, 48, 53 and future 3rd (GC) to WBU in return for picks 11, 18 and future 1st rd (WBU)
6. Pick Swap: Freo trade pick 25 and future 2nd rd to Port for future 1st (Port)
7. Todd Goldstein to Essendon as UFA. No compensation for North Melbourne.
10-Oct
8. Ben McKay to Essendon as RFA. North Melbourne receive 1st round pick as compensation (3)
9. James Harmes to Western Bulldogs. Melbourne receive a future 3rd rd pick (WBU)
11-Oct
10. Dylan Stephens to North Melbourne with pick 26. Sydney receive a future end of first round (pick 19) and this year's pick 45.
11. Pick Swap: Melbourne receives pick 11. Gold Coast get 14, 28, 36 in return.
12. Chris Burgess and pick 14 to Adelaide. Gold Coast get picks 24 and 27.
13. Pick Swap: North Melbourne receive pick 18. Gold Coast gets future end of first round (pick 20) comp pick.
14. Brodie Grundy to Sydney. Melbourne receive pick 47 and future second round pick (Syd)
15. Taylor Adams to Sydney. Collingwood receive pick 34.
16. Zac Fisher to North Melbourne with pick 17. CARLTON receive picks 22 and 26.
13-Oct
17. Jade Gresham to Essendon as RFA. St Kilda receive end of 1st round compensation (pick 21)
18. Toby Pink to North Melbourne - delisted free agent.
19. Tom Fullarton to Melbourne. Brisbane receive pick 47 in return.
14-Oct
20. Tyler Brockman to West Coast Eagles. Hawthorn receive picks 44 and 63 in return.
16-Oct
21. Bigoa Nyuon to North Melbourne. Richmond receive pick 65.
22. Lachie Schultz to Collingwood. Fremantle receive pick 34 and a future first round pick (Col) in return.
23. Liam Henry and future round four (Fre) pick to St Kilda. Fremantle receive a future 2nd (StK) and future 4th (StK).
17-Oct
24. Shane McAdam to Melbourne. Adelaide receive a future second round pick (Mel) in return.
25. Multi-trade
.... CARLTON: Give - Paddy Dow, future 3rd (Car), future 4th (Car). Receive - future 3rd (Ess), future 4th (Fre), future 4th (WBU)
.... Essendon: Give - 52, future 3rd (Ess). Receive - pick 35, future 4th (Car)
.... St Kilda: Give - Nick Coffield, picks 35, 56, future 4th (Fre). Receive - Paddy Dow, pick 40, future 3rd (Car)
.... Western Bulldogs: Give - pick 40, future 4th (WBU). Receive - Nick Coffield, picks 52, 56
18-Oct
26. Ivan Soldo to Port Adelaide with pick 50. Richmond receive picks 41, 49 a future 2nd round (Fre) and future 4th round (PA).
27. Jack Ginnivan pick 39, future 2nd (Col) and future 4th (Col) to Hawthorn. Collingwood receive pick 33, future 2nd (Haw), future 3rd (Haw)
28. Jordan Sweet to Port Adelaide. Western Bulldogs receive pick 50 in return.
29. Esava Ratugolea to Port Adelaide. Geelong receive picks 25, 76 and 94.
30. Elijah Hollands to CARLTON with pick 28 and future 4th (GC). Gold Coast receive pick 26 and future 3rd (Ess).
31. Jacob Koschitzke to Richmond. Hawthorn receive pick 49.
32. Jack Billings to Melbourne. St Kilda receive a future 3rd round pick (Mel).
33. Multi-trade
.... Brisbane: Give - Jack Gunston, picks 47, 61, future 2nd round (Bri). Receive - Ryan, 39, 54, future 4th (Haw).
.... Hawthorn: Give - Brandon Ryan, picks 39, 54, future 4th round (Haw). Receive - Gunston, 47, 61, future 2nd (Bri).
34. Mabior Chol to Hawthorn with pick 62. Gold Coast receive a future 2nd round pick (Bri).
35. Massimo D'Ambrosio to Hawthorn. Essendon receive pick 61, future 4th round (Col)
36. Multi-trade
.... Essendon: Give - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, pick 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car). Receive - Xavier Duursma
.... Port Adelaide: Give - Xavier Duursma. Receive - Brandon Zerk-Thatcher, 73, future 4th round (Ess), future 4th round (Car)





Nominated:
Elliott Himmelberg to GWS (Trade) - staying at GWS

Mooted:
Buku Khamis - staying at Dogs
Dylan Shiel
Clayton Oliver - Ade/Gee - staying at Melbourne
Ollie Wines
Dan McKenzie - Suns?
Scott Lycett
Tom Clurey
James Borlase
Brynn Teakle
Josh Sinn
Orazio Fantasia - GWS?
Sam Hayes
Harrison Petty


Potential DFA and Retiree moves:
TBA

Missed Out on trades:
TBA




Full AFL Trade/Draft Key Dates

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James Stewart (Essendon) training w/ St Kilda over the summer to earn a list spot via SSP.




... SOS going back to the "I drafted you" well again?
 
Note, final day of list activity prior to the draft today.

Mon 13-Nov: Father/Son Primary List lodgment close
Mon 13-Nov: Players not registered for 3 years inclusion on rookie list lodgment
Mon 13-Nov: International Players inclusion on rookie list lodgment
Mon 13-Nov 3pm: AFL Draft Nominations close
Mon 13-Nov: Delisted AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft)
Mon 13-Nov: Non-retained rookie list player draft nomination close

Monahan and Duffy should become listed players today.
 
Bletch said:
Note, final day of list activity prior to the draft today.

Mon 13-Nov: Father/Son Primary List lodgment close
Mon 13-Nov: Players not registered for 3 years inclusion on rookie list lodgment
Mon 13-Nov: International Players inclusion on rookie list lodgment
Mon 13-Nov 3pm: AFL Draft Nominations close
Mon 13-Nov: Delisted AFL player draft nomination close (national or pre-season draft)
Mon 13-Nov: Non-retained rookie list player draft nomination close

Monahan and Duffy should become listed players today.
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You’d think within 22mins. Why a time for one category and not the others….
 

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Blue and Silver said:
Duffy was listed. Agresta confirmed on Sunday on the Gettable pre-draft show

www.carltonfc.com.au

Full interview: What to expect from Carlton's 2023 AFL Draft

National Recruiting Manager Mick Agresta joined AFL.com.au's Draft Night Countdown to discuss all things Carlton the day before the 2023 AFL Draft.
www.carltonfc.com.au www.carltonfc.com.au

On Pixel 7 using BigFooty.com mobile app
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Just listened to that, and thanks for the link. But I didn't hear anything that confirmed him as listed? For anyone else, it's around 10:00 where Duffy is discussed.

Right now, with our two new draftees, and with Cottrell elevated to the main list we have:
36 senior
5 rookie
1 Cat-B excluding the two Irishmen.

We know for certain that we have one spot open for a rookie pick, which will make 6 rookies (Cat-A)

Competition rules (Feb 2023):

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Monahan must take the 2nd Cat-B rookie spot. So where does Duffy fit in?

36+6=42 42+2=44.


Now... Pommy pointed out that there is a discrepancy between the AFL published rules and what is in the 2023 Draft guide:

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Note here, it says "three extra players". Which contradicts the Feb Rules. What is correct? Who knows??!!! Maybe we're allowed 3 Cat-B rookies, and again Pommy says that other clubs have done so in recent years. But does that mean you can break the 44 player limit total?

Sorry if this is a bit of a rant, but it's something that has frustrated me for a while - the AFL is far from clear as to what the real limits are, and doesn't publish the club lists. Tomorrow, clubs submit third list lodgments, and Thursday, the final (fourth) list lodgments. Why can't we fans see what this is?

Upshot of it is - I'll not count Duffy until I see a number assigned to his back.
 
Bletch said:
Just listened to that, and thanks for the link. But I didn't hear anything that confirmed him as listed? For anyone else, it's around 10:00 where Duffy is discussed.

Right now, with our two new draftees, and with Cottrell elevated to the main list we have:
36 senior
5 rookie
1 Cat-B excluding the two Irishmen.

We know for certain that we have one spot open for a rookie pick, which will make 6 rookies (Cat-A)

Competition rules (Feb 2023):

View attachment 1858378

Monahan must take the 2nd Cat-B rookie spot. So where does Duffy fit in?

36+6=42 42+2=44.


Now... Pommy pointed out that there is a discrepancy between the AFL published rules and what is in the 2023 Draft guide:

View attachment 1858381

Note here, it says "three extra players". Which contradicts the Feb Rules. What is correct? Who knows??!!! Maybe we're allowed 3 Cat-B rookies, and again Pommy says that other clubs have done so in recent years. But does that mean you can break the 44 player limit total?

Sorry if this is a bit of a rant, but it's something that has frustrated me for a while - the AFL is far from clear as to what the real limits are, and doesn't publish the club lists. Tomorrow, clubs submit third list lodgments, and Thursday, the final (fourth) list lodgments. Why can't we fans see what this is?

Upshot of it is - I'll not count Duffy until I see a number assigned to his back.
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There is a 44 player limit, except for Gold Coast and North.
If you have a 3rd Cat B they count as Cat A.
 
Bletch said:
That's just an assumption we're making isn't it? Haven't seen any reference that mentions that? It seems to make the most sense, but for mine, we're still lacking clarity.
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Which part?

Yes, there is an absurd lack of clarity from the AFL. It should be so simple. Don’t they want fan engagement?
 
Bletch said:
That's just an assumption we're making isn't it? Haven't seen any reference that mentions that? It seems to make the most sense, but for mine, we're still lacking clarity.
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As frustrating as it is, I guess it's all a bit irrelevant to us now.

Monahan and big Dom currently our 2 Cat B rookies, but at the last count I believe this is Dom's final year as a Cat B before we make a call whether to promote or otherwise.

When Duffy arrives we should then be able to sign him on as our 2nd Cat B. I think.

It's a bummer though he went down with the knee this year - I reckon we've earmarked him as the rebounding half back with his size and speed, but essentially miss out on a year of development. It's good though that Agresta said we'll be bringing him over sometime next year - get him into the system, and start on some skills work.
 
Stamos said:
Which part?
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This bit: If you have a 3rd Cat B they count as Cat A.
Stamos said:
Yes, there is an absurd lack of clarity from the AFL. It should be so simple. Don’t they want fan engagement?
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Wholeheartedly agree. Will also say again, the AFL should publish each club's list lodgments - make it clear to all who is on senior, rookie and cat-B rookie lists.
 
Bamboo Harvester said:
As frustrating as it is, I guess it's all a bit irrelevant to us now.

Monahan and big Dom currently our 2 Cat B rookies, but at the last count I believe this is Dom's final year as a Cat B before we make a call whether to promote or otherwise.

When Duffy arrives we should then be able to sign him on as our 2nd Cat B. I think.

It's a bummer though he went down with the knee this year - I reckon we've earmarked him as the rebounding half back with his size and speed, but essentially miss out on a year of development. It's good though that Agresta said we'll be bringing him over sometime next year - get him into the system, and start on some skills work.
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At the moment you can only list 1 Irish as Cat B
 
Bamboo Harvester said:
As frustrating as it is, I guess it's all a bit irrelevant to us now.

Monahan and big Dom currently our 2 Cat B rookies, but at the last count I believe this is Dom's final year as a Cat B before we make a call whether to promote or otherwise.

When Duffy arrives we should then be able to sign him on as our 2nd Cat B. I think.

It's a bummer though he went down with the knee this year - I reckon we've earmarked him as the rebounding half back with his size and speed, but essentially miss out on a year of development. It's good though that Agresta said we'll be bringing him over sometime next year - get him into the system, and start on some skills work.
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That's what we're assuming the situation is. But do we know for sure that Duffy was never listed? Can only assume so by the numbers, and rules as we know them. Either way, he won't play in 2024, so perhaps a moot point. But would be nice to know.
 
Bletch said:
Don't think that rule is still in place.
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I think it was changed back in 2022....I mean how could anyone argue an article written in the Examiner :cool:

"A change in AFL rules could see the number of GAA recruits to Aussie rules increase from next season.

Clubs will now be allowed to list two Irishmen in the Category B list for rookies, up from the maximum of one that had been in place.

It is being reported in Australia that the change comes with the blessing of the GAA, following discussions between the two organisations."

www.irishexaminer.com

AFL rule changes to allow increased recruiting in Ireland

Clubs will now be allowed to list two Irishmen in the Category B list for rookies, up from the maximum of one that had been in place.
www.irishexaminer.com www.irishexaminer.com
 
Stamos said:
www.afl.com.au

Rookie Players - AFL.com.au

Australian Football League. All the latest AFL news, video, results and information
www.afl.com.au www.afl.com.au

Haven’t seen any change to the above?
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From the competition rules (Feb 2023):

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Also, in glossary, definition of International Player:
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And the appendix with list sizes:
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"Ireland" or "Irish" is only mentioned once in the entire rules document, and isn't in relation to this. So per the competition rules, we can only have 2 Cat-B rookies, but both could be Irish/International.

Like we've been saying for ages now, the AFL publishes and maintains several documents that are in direct contradiction to each other. The website you referred to agrees with the draft guidebook that came out in October, at least in terms of reference to three Cat-B rookies (doesn't mention the Irish). Then there's the CBA signed in agreement with the AFLPA. This repeats the list maximums from the Feb rules above.
 
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