Hartlett vs Martin vs Ziebell vs Shuey

[Bazzar]

AFLCA totals to round 19


Martin 45. 10-Freo, 9- Saints, 8-Port, 7- Eagles, 6- Ess, 2- Lions, 2- GWS, 1- Dogs

Ziebell 41. 10- Ess, 9 - Carlton 8-Eagles, 5- Tiges, 4- Lions, 4- Ess, 2-Cats

Shuey 24. 10- Saints, 4- Carl, 3- GWS, 3- Crows, 2-Suns, 2- Hawks

Hartlett 3. 2- North. 1- Saints

Top 10 for comparison

100 Nat Fyfe (Frem)
85 Dan Hannebery (Syd)
70 Todd Goldstein (NM)
67 Andrew Gaff (WC)
65David Mundy (Frem)
65 Matt Priddis (WC)
60 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
58 Sam Mitchell (Haw)
56 Josh Kennedy (Syd)
53 David Armitage (St K)
53 Trent Cotchin (Rich)

 

[eaglespremiers]

Martin and Shuey both BOG today, IMO.

 

[Bazzar]

Martin and Shuey both BOG today, IMO.

Martin V Suns
Shuey V Freo

Shuey takes the chocolates easy.

 

[lmach]

Didn't see Martin's game but they're some impressive stats.

Thought Shuey should've won the RG medal but hard to go past Hill's 20 touch, 4 goal game.

 

[eaglespremiers]

Martin V Suns
Shuey V Freo

Shuey takes the chocolates easy.

Not so fast:
Martin - 29 disposals (@75.9% eff), 11 contested, 6 clearances, 5 i50s, 6 tackles, 3 goals and a goal assist.
Shuey - 19 disposals (@94.7% eff), 10 contested, 7 clearances, 5 i50s, 9 tackles, 1 goal and 2 goal assists.
Stats still favour Martin.

 

[Dylan8]

Harts was good, I had him in my top 5. Was especially big in the first 3qs and kicked the sealer in the last.

 

[Bazzar]

Not so fast:
Martin - 29 disposals (@75.9% eff), 11 contested, 6 clearances, 5 i50s, 6 tackles, 3 goals and a goal assist.
Shuey - 19 disposals (@94.7% eff), 10 contested, 7 clearances, 5 i50s, 9 tackles, 1 goal and 2 goal assists.
Stats still favour Martin.

What I mean is the Suns was a s**t game, no pressure, the last 3'4 was a trott.

The Freo derby was high pressure with quality opposition. It is a case of stats are not of real concern.

 

[eaglespremiers]

What I mean is the Suns was a s**t game, no pressure, the last 3'4 was a trott.

The Freo derby was high pressure with quality opposition. It is a case of stats are not of real concern.

So you watched both?

 

[DontArgue4]

Think Dusty and Shuey take the cake this week, stats wise dusty was the best but the suns didn't put up much fight tbh (will probably get the 10 coaches votes though). Hartlett was very solid, especially early. Ziebell was a little quiet but not bad by any means.

 

[Bazzar]

So you watched both?

Big footy first. Tiger said an Eagle was best, an Eagle said no, a Tiger was best

 

[eaglespremiers]

Big footy first. Tiger said an Eagle was best, an Eagle said no, a Tiger was best

I try to call it as I see it.
Rance over Mackenzie was still gah though.

 

[DontArgue4]

I try to call it as I see it.
Rance over Mackenzie was still gah though.

I know you won't agree, but it's pretty widely accepted that rance is the best defender in the league

 

[eaglespremiers]

I know you won't agree, but it's pretty widely accepted that rance is the best defender in the league

The current popularity of this opinion does not increase its validity.
Particularly when the discussion of Mackenzie v Rance centres on 2014.

 

[DontArgue4]

The current popularity of this opinion does not increase its validity.
Particularly when the discussion of Mackenzie v Rance centres on 2014.

Or maybe you are bias and that's why you believe mackenzie got snubbed? The selectors chose who they believed to be better. The person that was selected is a lock for this year too, further justifying the selection.

Anyway don't want to derail this thread, it was going well

 

[eaglespremiers]

Or maybe you are bias and that's why you believe mackenzie got snubbed? The selectors chose who they believed to be better. The person that was selected is a lock for this year too, further justifying the selection.

Anyway don't want to derail this thread, it was going well

Obviously no point derailing the thread.
But bias runs two ways.

 

[the big lebowski]

I thought shuey was the best this week.

 

[Bazzar]

Getting close to the business end.

AFLCA totals to round 20

Martin 55- 10 Freo, 10 Suns, 9 Saints, 8 Port, 7 Eagles, 6 Ess, 2 Lions, 2 GWS, 1 Dogs.

Ziebell 41- 10 Ess, 9 Carlton, 8 Eagles, 5 Tiges, 4 Lions, 4 Ess, 2 Cats.

Shuey 31- 10 Saints, 7 Freo, 4 Carl, 3 GWS, 3 Crows, 2 Suns, 2 Hawks.

Hartlett 3- 2 North, 1 Saints.

Top 10 for comparison

100 Nat Fyfe (Frem)
85 Dan Hannebery (Syd)
73 Todd Goldstein (NM)
67 Andrew Gaff (WC)
66 Matt Priddis (WC)
65 David Mundy (Frem)
64 Josh Kennedy (Syd)
60 Sam Mitchell (Haw)
60 Scott Pendlebury (Coll)
59 Patrick Dangerfield (Adel)

 

[Heaps of fun]

Martin>>Shuey=Ziebell>>>Hartlett

 

[KillaKanga]

Martin>>Shuey=Ziebell>>>Hartlett

Shuey has been more consistent but Ziebell has had bigger games and quieter games.

Martin clearly ahead for 2015

 

[Wargreymon90]

Hartlett has clearly had the worst year of the 3. But it hasn't been bad by any sense of the word.

Going forward, I would probably only take Martin ahead. On par with shuey. But I'd wouldn't hesitate in taking Hartlett before ziebell

 

[Dylan8]

Hartlett's toughness and defensive side has improved immeasurably. Easily our best 'team' player.

 

[DesertRoo]

Hartlett's toughness and defensive side has improved immeasurably. Easily our best 'team' player.

Do you think he'll win the coaches award at Port then.

 

[blaisee]

Great player is Hartlett, no in the same class as Dusty though

 

[Jootube]

According to AFLstats:
Shuey - Currently the 13th best Midfielder in the AFL
Martin - 33rd best

Tizza's midfielder ratings:
Luke Shuey
Awareness, Skill and Vision: 72.75%
Strength, hardness insider: 59.1%
Explosive Danger factor: 70.8%
Outside Accumulator: 34%
Complete Midfielder rating: 63.4%
Shuey has been consistently improving in the past 2 years, however he had a quiet 2013 statistically which drag down his averages. If he continues to improve his disposal efficiency which stats show he is, he could creep past the 80% mark EDF which would put him second behind Gaz as a EDF!

Dustin Martin
Awareness, Skill and Vision: 77.75%
Strength, hardness insider: 38.8%
Explosive Danger factor: 63.4%
Outside Accumulator: 57.3%
Complete Midfielder rating: 58.81%
Dusty disappointed in many categories for me personally, he just isn't that impressive statistically. Many of his physical attributes I rated were through the roof, however he has too many holes to be a specialist in any category really. To be a higher rated ASV and EDF he really needs to up his effective disposal. I can forgive Fyfe and Dangerfields efficiency because they are clearance beasts but dusty has a very poor clearance rating and is more of a OA than a SHI. to top it off his disposal efficiency has remained consistently average over the last 3 years, where as Danger and Fyfe's ED has improved each year.

I'll take my boy Shuey every day of the week. No bias. /s

 

[Bazzar]

I'll take my boy Shuey every day of the week. No bias. /s

That's ok as we have Martin