Mid East Israel declare war after Hamas attack II

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Mid East - Israel declare war after Hamas attack.

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[Ghost Patrol]

So someone big and powerful comes and stops them.
You get to choose what happens next?
What do you do to the Israeli's that were born in Israel?

Teach them how to share.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

So someone big and powerful comes and stops them.
You get to choose what happens next?
What do you do to the Israeli's that were born in Israel?

If I was in charge they stay but have to, get this, SHARE THE LAND. It's not exclusively Muslim nor Jewish, that land. And demographics would not matter with the Bill of Rights that I'd make sure was a core part of the new state. All demographics are equal before the law, no matter the percentage.

 

[faible]

If I was in charge they stay but have to, get this, SHARE THE LAND. It's not exclusively Muslim nor Jewish, that land. And demographics would not matter with the Bill of Rights that I'd make sure was a core part of the new state. All demographics are equal before the law, no matter the percentage.

Would this be like that religious discrimination bill where Labor said they'd pass it if the anti-discrimination act was amended so they couldn't boot LGBT+ folk out, and the Christian Lobby decided they didn't want it anymore?

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Would this be like that religious discrimination bill where Labor said they'd pass it if the anti-discrimination act was amended so they couldn't boot LGBT+ folk out, and the Christian Lobby decided they didn't want it anymore?

What, would the Israelis decide they don't want the land anymore if they had to share it? Possibly the hardliners. I'd like to think a sizeable amount of them would share if there were security guarantees that a Jewish minority would not be sidelined (or worse) in the new nation.

And that's completely understandable.

 

[Saint]

What, would the Israelis decide they don't want the land anymore if they had to share it? Possibly the hardliners. I'd like to think a sizeable amount of them would share if there were security guarantees that a Jewish minority would not be sidelined (or worse) in the new nation.

And that's completely understandable.

Pretty sure the majority (of Jewish Israelis) want a Jewish ethno-state regardless of if their direct neighbours are violent or not, not a secular democracy. It's kind of the whole point.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Pretty sure the majority (of Jewish Israelis) want a Jewish ethno-state regardless of if their direct neighbours are violent or not, not a secular democracy. It's kind of the whole point.

Still playing along in the "if I were in charge..." game, they'd be given the love it (or at least TRY and make it work) or leave it option.

Or they could try to take up arms and they could all die. No prisoners.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Still playing along in the "if I were in charge..." game, they'd be given the love it (or at least TRY and make it work) or leave it option.

Or they could try to take up arms and they could all die. No prisoners.

So basically do to them what they are doing to the Palestinians.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

A lot of the land early on was sold to the Israeli's, there was a global depression, and the Israeli's were paying good money.
The land grabs came much later.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

There was a global depression in 1948?

The Israeli's started buying up land well before 1948.
A lot of land in Golan Heights was purhased in 1894.

 

[Aristotle Pickett]

Jewish Council of Australia urges government to cut ties with Israel and join arms embargo

The Jewish Council of Australia has urged state and federal governments to immediately cut all military ties with, and place sanctions on, Israel amid escalating violence in Gaza.

It points to a decision made by the International Court of Justice last month for additional provisional measures in the case brought by South Africa against Israel for violating the Genocide Convention.

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[Geelong_Sicko]

So basically do to them what they are doing to the Palestinians.

Almost. They should be given every chance to live as neighbours and as equals. This goes for the Muslims too, by the way. Anyone who doesn't want to share should be told 'get along or leave. Or take up arms and die.'

It's tough love but I see no other way forward. Israel MUST be broken in its current form.

 

[Saint]

Describing 1894 Ottoman Empire real estate sales as Israeli is a take

Brings into question the whole notion of nations. If Israelis legally bought land with the intent of eventually turning it into a Jewish homeland, the Ottomans should probably have strung them all up for treason.

If the CHristians eventually dwindle to so little that what's left want to turn Australia into a Christo-fascist state (see modern Liberal Party), at what point does their wish to separate become seditious/treasonous?

In Australia, they're letting the cookers get away with Sedition, since it's illegal to "urge disaffection against the following.....the constitution, Government of the Commonwealth or either house of parliament".

That's pretty much all the sovereign citizens and cookers try to do in their Canberra convoys. I wonder if the Ottomans and their local leaders regret letting Jewish seditionists buy land back then.

Seems futile now, but in 100 years maybe we'll be talking about why on earth we let the Christo-fascists get a foot-hold in the Liberal Party

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Brings into question the whole notion of nations. If Israelis legally bought land with the intent of eventually turning it into a Jewish homeland, the Ottomans should probably have strung them all up for treason.

If the CHristians eventually dwindle to so little that what's left want to turn Australia into a Christo-fascist state (see modern Liberal Party), at what point does their wish to separate become seditious/treasonous?

In Australia, they're letting the cookers get away with Sedition, since it's illegal to "urge disaffection against the following.....the constitution, Government of the Commonwealth or either house of parliament".

That's pretty much all the sovereign citizens and cookers try to do in their Canberra convoys. I wonder if the Ottomans and their local leaders regret letting Jewish seditionists buy land back then.

Seems futile now, but in 100 years maybe we'll be talking about why on earth we let the Christo-fascists get a foot-hold in the Liberal Party

Don't know the ins and outs, but the Ottomans didn't make it easy, no-where near as easy as it used to be for foreigners to buy land in Australia. I think it might have been a quota restricting the number of immigrants.

 

[Demonic Ascent]

Don't know the ins and outs, but the Ottomans didn't make it easy, no-where near as easy as it used to be for foreigners to buy land in Australia. I think it might have been a quota restricting the number of immigrants.

Who sold the land?

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Looks like it was three airstrikes that killed the aid workers



But yeah, unintentional, of course

 

[Chief]

Craziness.

 

[Geelong_Sicko]

Craziness.

Not craziness Chief. Cold. Calculated. Murder. Australia needs to kick out all diplomatic staff representing the Zionist Cancer and withdraw international recognition of it as a political construct.

The Yanks won't be happy with us but f*ck them.

 

[Paul Kersey]

Looks like it was three airstrikes that killed the aid workers

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But yeah, unintentional, of course

Absolute disgrace.

 

[SaintsSeptember]

Who sold the land?

Sursocks.

Rothschild Land Purchases and Early Israel

The family owned more than 90,000 acres, or 400,000 dunams, (364 km²) in the Jezreel Valley in Palestine, having purchased it from Ottoman authorities in their dealings with the empire. Evidence of…

sursockhouse.com

 

[Number37]

Have a listen to yourself. Is that straight from the Hamas let’s not surrender play book?

Israel has turned Gaza into Auschwitz II.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Pretty sure the majority (of Jewish Israelis) want a Jewish ethno-state regardless of if their direct neighbours are violent or not, not a secular democracy. It's kind of the whole point.

I think its only the hardline orthodox types that want it as an ethno supremacist state

 

[JayJ20]

Looks like it was three airstrikes that killed the aid workers

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But yeah, unintentional, of course

They really think we'll believe they accidentally bombed the vehicle 3 times with the "World Central Kitchen" logo plastered on top of the vehicle in a "non-active" zone while the vehicle were sharing their coordinates to the Israeli military. They always brag about having precision technology and carrying out special operations that target specific Hamas members yet this one is unintentional? They are intentionally blocking the aid to Gazans to use starving as a war tactic.

They're just providing more ammunition for the ongoing ICJ genocide case, but then again, they've proven time and time again that they don't give a s**t. At all. And the western governments don't care because they made this out of control monster to terrorise and destabilise the Middle East. If Palestinians did that then all western governments would have called that a terrorist strike and they'd all have invaded Palestine by now.

 

[Saint]

Maybe everyone (finally) gets up-in-arms about an Australian aid worker being killed.

Keep in mind, this was very expensive high-precision ordnance at a protected target.

Now imagine how many of the unguided bombs, or even the guided ones were aimed at Palestinian children who had done no wrong.

It's very clear the IDF have no care whatsoever about the targets they are taking out.

You think there'll even be an apology, or they'll blame the aid workers for being in the area trying to prevent their genocide?

It's sick. When Russians downed a passenger airliner, all hell broke loose. But what will the uproar be today? Probably zilch. wet-lettuce words from the most spineless PM in Australia's history.

 

[Sqotty from office works]

Not craziness Chief. Cold. Calculated. Murder. Australia needs to kick out all diplomatic staff representing the Zionist Cancer and withdraw international recognition of it as a political construct.

The Yanks won't be happy with us but f*ck them.

Simply threatening to close pine gap will bring immediate changes in Isreal and Gaza.

 

[JayJ20]

To be clear about what happened, they attacked the original marked vehicle. The workers gathered the injured and survivors, then went to a second vehicle. The IDF struck the second vehicle. The workers gathered the survivors and injured of the second attack, then went to a third vehicle. The IDF struck the third vehicle and killed all 7 aid workers.

And they tell us it was accidental. Not only should all aid stop immediately (like it should have a long time ago), they should be sanctioned to the ground.

The aim of this is for all aid organisations to pull out of Gaza for fear it is too dangerous to supply food and aid, making the people of Gaza starve to death. This is textbook ethnic cleansing and western governments are complicit.

UNRWA was defunded over a false claim, WCK and other aid organisations are suspending operations in Gaza (mission accomplished) and ships containing food and aid supply is being turned away and going back to Cyprus.

They can do whatever they want with total impunity from western governments. This is not about Hamas. This is about ethnic cleansing and starving the Palestinians to death is an indirect way of achieving that objective.