Certified Legendary Thread Convicted Rapist: Jarryd Hayne - Fumbling and Quitting the Lifelong Dreams ™

[Dugdale2Dwyer]

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Others Aussies/Kiwis in the same boat as Hayne

 

[Starburns_]

The Hayne-anity has infected this board now! Baby-steps. Tonight we've got him running the quadruple option and supplanting Kaepernick as starting QB.

I blame the noobs!

I really think the best way to utilize Hayne is to get him away from being a RB, and make him an H-Back. He's kinda tall enough to be a WR, but nowhere near as fast or route-capable, but he's probably best just running a bunch of fades and hitches and slants, put into space with ball in hand best to get it in his hand from a catch than handing it off to him seeing as he sucks as a RB. He can put on a bit more muscle and learn to run-block.

It really depends on how desperate they are and how capable he proves to be. No one here really expects him to take any serious offensive snaps.

 

[Exe Gesis]

I blame the noobs!



It really depends on how desperate they are and how capable he proves to be. No one here really expects him to take any serious offensive snaps.

I still don't even think he'll make the 53.

 

[free at last]

Noob question.What percentage of NFL teams run specific KR/PRs?

Is it a luxury or a salary cap factor?

 

[Starburns_]

I still don't even think he'll make the 53.

Neither, I'm just talking best case scenario still means limited time outside of ST.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Noob question.What percentage of NFL teams run specific KR/PRs?

Is it a luxury or a salary cap factor?

What do you mean by "run specific KR/PRs"??

 

[Exe Gesis]

Neither, I'm just talking best case scenario still means limited time outside of ST.

Let's say he makes 53. He'll return punts and kicks, and get a couple snaps a game at RB, where all they do is either pitch the ball to him on a sweep, or get him on a screen pass, or little texas route like we saw on the weekend. He doesnt have the speed/etc to run a wheel route as we saw on the weekend.

Having a guy like that is really showing your hands tho. Defense knows when Hayne is in the backfield, that's all he'll do, which will make it harder for him to do anything....a screen tho would work better for him. Screens have a higher percentage success rate.

 

[Kram]

I don't know why I'm interested in following this when I don't even understand 99% of it.

 

[Exe Gesis]

I don't know why I'm interested in following this when I don't even understand 99% of it.

Because this thread delivers

 

[free at last]

What do you mean by "run specific KR/PRs"??

KR/PR and nothing else...

 

[carnthemlions]

Noob question.What percentage of NFL teams run specific KR/PRs?

Is it a luxury or a salary cap factor?

Most players who are primarily there for special teams(aside from kickers, punters and long snappers) play another position, or can in an emergency. It varies though. Some teams carry kick-off specialists. The 49ers had Kassim Osgood on the roster for the past few seasons purely as a gunner on special teams. He was nominally a WR, but was never going to play a snap there.

 

[sblack]

KR/PR and nothing else...

No one...

I don't think

 

[sblack]

Closest would've been Josh Cribbs way back

 

[Starburns_]

Let's say he makes 53. He'll return punts and kicks, and get a couple snaps a game at RB, where all they do is either pitch the ball to him on a sweep, or get him on a screen pass, or little texas route like we saw on the weekend. He doesnt have the speed/etc to run a wheel route as we saw on the weekend.

Having a guy like that is really showing your hands tho. Defense knows when Hayne is in the backfield, that's all he'll do, which will make it harder for him to do anything....a screen tho would work better for him. Screens have a higher percentage success rate.

Probably the biggest issue with playing him. Still, if he remains in the 53, it gives them a year for him to develop, and maybe by year two he's running the ball better and the possibilities open up.

Still, it's a moot point because like you, I doubt he makes it and expect this thread to be on page 2 by week 2 of the season.

Closest would've been Josh Cribbs way back

Was Devin Hester ever much of a WR?

 

[carnthemlions]

No one...

I don't think

Trindon Holliday?

 

[Exe Gesis]

I still don't understand exactly what free at last is exactly asking. Sorry I've got a head cold, congestion, and a sore tummy

 

[Exe Gesis]

If you're asking....how often do teams carry a pure specialist KR/PR, who doesn't contribute at all to his chosen position....then the others have answered it. Trindon Holliday is a perfect example.

But...most teams consider such players a roster liability. It's all about versatility/usefulness for all 32 teams. Carrying 53, seems like a lot, but you need every single one being ready to contribute to your chosen position as well as Special Teams. You'll often hear during the pre-season commentators make mention of this. Even say a group position like OL...full of Centers, Tackles, Guards....you're seeing teams more and more require most if not all those players to be able to play all the positions in the OL...in case injuries strike...which often happens on the OL.

And you're seeing it starting to happen more at DB....SS, FS, CB, NB.....teams teaching players multiple positions there in case of injury/etc.

You still see some specialist PR/KRs, but even with Devin Hester, the teams have been trying to teach him to actually play WR. Cordarelle Patterson is another who is becoming more and more a specialist KR/PR, because his WR skills suck, but he's so explosive on KR/PRs that they'll continue to roster him. He's also good for some novelty plays like having him out there as a WR, then giving him the ball to run like a RB from an end-around, or getting him to motion to the backfield (where the RBs stand).

This is why the Niners will try to teach Hayne as much as they can to make him useful....pass-blocking, run-blocking, running wheel/etc routes, outside zone stretch runs, etc....but they'll struggle with him on inside runs until he learns how to run low and drive with his shoulders/legs.

Unfortunately, it all comes down to muscle memory. He's always played rugby running upright, and that's do-able as a PR/KR. But to try and get that running low second-nature to him, will take tens of thousands of reps in practice. And even then, just look at Tebow, he's been given tens of thousands of reps trying to change his throwing mechanics, and it's still to no avail, it's so ingrained in him.

 

[free at last]

If you're asking....how often do teams carry a pure specialist KR/PR, who doesn't contribute at all to his chosen position....then the others have answered it. Trindon Holliday is a perfect example.

But...most teams consider such players a roster liability. It's all about versatility/usefulness for all 32 teams. Carrying 53, seems like a lot, but you need every single one being ready to contribute to your chosen position as well as Special Teams. You'll often hear during the pre-season commentators make mention of this. Even say a group position like OL...full of Centers, Tackles, Guards....you're seeing teams more and more require most if not all those players to be able to play all the positions in the OL...in case injuries strike...which often happens on the OL.

And you're seeing it starting to happen more at DB....SS, FS, CB, NB.....teams teaching players multiple positions there in case of injury/etc.

You still see some specialist PR/KRs, but even with Devin Hester, the teams have been trying to teach him to actually play WR. Cordarelle Patterson is another who is becoming more and more a specialist KR/PR, because his WR skills suck, but he's so explosive on KR/PRs that they'll continue to roster him. He's also good for some novelty plays like having him out there as a WR, then giving him the ball to run like a RB from an end-around, or getting him to motion to the backfield (where the RBs stand).

This is why the Niners will try to teach Hayne as much as they can to make him useful....pass-blocking, run-blocking, running wheel/etc routes, outside zone stretch runs, etc....but they'll struggle with him on inside runs until he learns how to run low and drive with his shoulders/legs.

Unfortunately, it all comes down to muscle memory. He's always played rugby running upright, and that's do-able as a PR/KR. But to try and get that running low second-nature to him, will take tens of thousands of reps in practice. And even then, just look at Tebow, he's been given tens of thousands of reps trying to change his throwing mechanics, and it's still to no avail, it's so ingrained in him.

Answered,cheers.

 

[Exe Gesis]

Answered,cheers.

By the end of this season, that 99% will be down to 40% or less

 

[free at last]

If you're asking....how often do teams carry a pure specialist KR/PR, who doesn't contribute at all to his chosen position....then the others have answered it. Trindon Holliday is a perfect example.

But...most teams consider such players a roster liability. It's all about versatility/usefulness for all 32 teams. Carrying 53, seems like a lot, but you need every single one being ready to contribute to your chosen position as well as Special Teams. You'll often hear during the pre-season commentators make mention of this. Even say a group position like OL...full of Centers, Tackles, Guards....you're seeing teams more and more require most if not all those players to be able to play all the positions in the OL...in case injuries strike...which often happens on the OL.

And you're seeing it starting to happen more at DB....SS, FS, CB, NB.....teams teaching players multiple positions there in case of injury/etc.

You still see some specialist PR/KRs, but even with Devin Hester, the teams have been trying to teach him to actually play WR. Cordarelle Patterson is another who is becoming more and more a specialist KR/PR, because his WR skills suck, but he's so explosive on KR/PRs that they'll continue to roster him. He's also good for some novelty plays like having him out there as a WR, then giving him the ball to run like a RB from an end-around, or getting him to motion to the backfield (where the RBs stand).

This is why the Niners will try to teach Hayne as much as they can to make him useful....pass-blocking, run-blocking, running wheel/etc routes, outside zone stretch runs, etc....but they'll struggle with him on inside runs until he learns how to run low and drive with his shoulders/legs.

Unfortunately, it all comes down to muscle memory. He's always played rugby running upright, and that's do-able as a PR/KR. But to try and get that running low second-nature to him, will take tens of thousands of reps in practice. And even then, just look at Tebow, he's been given tens of thousands of reps trying to change his throwing mechanics, and it's still to no avail, it's so ingrained in him.

See this is what I love about what Hayne has caused.His technique of running too upright,I had no idea about this flaw until now.

You could see in a couple of his runs on the weekend two defenders just drove him backwards due to him being to vertical.

I reckon this can be rectified.Learn the correct technique and trust the helmet and pads.

 

[ausbacker]

See this is what I love about what Hayne has caused.His technique of running too upright,I had no idea about this flaw until now.

You could see in a couple of his runs on the weekend two defenders just drove him backwards due to him being to vertical.

I reckon this can be rectified.Learn the correct technique and trust the helmet and pads.

How do you propose Hayne corrects his mediocre NFL speed? He looks so slow out there (and that's against the bubble guys).

 

[free at last]

How do you propose Hayne corrects his mediocre NFL speed? He looks so slow out there (and that's against the bubble guys).

Don't run so upright?

 

[JeffDunne]

Please explain

No fault of his but the ridiculous comments being made about him make me want to see him week one of the regular season when the speed increases dramatically from anything we see in the preseason. Monday Night Football there's no place to hide.

People making comment have no comprehension of how NFL teams treat preseason games, how conservative they are in terms taking risks and how ruthless they are in terms of list positions. Even if he makes the 53 & starts as PR, put the ball on the turf early and he might be looking for a new team before week 2.

Having said that I wish him personally no ill will. He's done everything you could expect if he's serious about an NFL career.

 

[mad_eagle]

I can imagine it now.

Hayne in at RB...misses a blocking assignment on his QB's blindside...Kaepernick gets blown up and suffers a serious injury.

SF's season is toast & Hayne is out the door on Monday...

Can see him doing good work at KR/PR though!!

 

[JeffDunne]

Noob question.What percentage of NFL teams run specific KR/PRs?

Is it a luxury or a salary cap factor?

Rarely does a team carry a player just to return kicks or punts. That might be all they end up doing but they'll be in the rotation of WR, RB or DB.

Returning kicks is a brutal occupation in the NFL. Players don't last very long just performing that role unless they're very good at it and teams kick the ball away from you (which they never do in preseason - see Devin Hester this preseason)