Toast Minus 620 and counting

[moginie]

Plus 23 and counting.

 

[Holy Rioli]

OK next target - overall win loss is too far away what else do we have?

 

[Wandering Hawk]

Here's to staying positive.

 

[seysearles]

OK next target - overall win loss is too far away what else do we have?

I wanted to do a "weeks at #1 chart". Feels like the past 3 seasons we have been eating into that. Not sure where to get that info though.

 

[moginie]

OK next target - overall win loss is too far away what else do we have?

Well just on that, our current win/loss differential is -52.

The last time it was -52 was after round 14 1928.

 

[Hawkk]

Well just on that, our current win/loss differential is -52.

The last time it was -52 was after round 14 1928.

Since 2010 we've reeled in the differential by 56 wins.

http://afltables.com/afl/teams/allteams/overall_wl_dec.html

A positive win/loss ratio by 2025 is a must

 

[seysearles]

Well just on that, our current win/loss differential is -52.

The last time it was -52 was after round 14 1928.

That one is still 3-4 good seasons of football away.

 

[Hawkk]

Since 2010 we've reeled in the differential by 56 wins.

http://afltables.com/afl/teams/allteams/overall_wl_dec.html

A positive win/loss ratio by 2025 is a must

Just on this, our position relative to the competition for wins / losses since the 1920's

1920's - 12/12 (12.92%)
1930's - 11/12 (25.28%)
1940's - 11/12 (24.17%)
1950's - 11/12 (35.79%)
1960's - 7/12 (50.79%)
1970's - 2/12 (65.68%)
1980's - 1/14 (72,34%)
1990's - 7/17 (52.21%)
2000's - 10/16 (48.40%)
2010's - 2/18 (74.79%)

Overall: 48.41%

A couple of things...

• Things were looking very dicey before 2007 (we were at risk of jumping back to 1950's levels until Clarkson arrived at the club in 2005)
• The 1990's were under rated. I can't really remember barracking for Hawthorn before 1994 and the post 1995 era was ordinary at best
• We're on track to match our famous 1980's run, at least in terms of win/loss

If we win the flag this year we will almost certainly pass Geelong for win/loss

 

[Wandering Hawk]

Geelong are 1.5 games ahead. They must lose twice for us to pass them.

 

[Wandering Hawk]

That one is still 3-4 good seasons of football away.

More like six to eight good seasons.

So far this season we're +11.
We'd pass it in the fifth season like this, and this is a pretty darn good season...

 

[Hawkk]

Geelong are 1.5 games ahead. They must lose twice for us to pass them.

Round 22 and the Qualifying Final.

By Grand Final weekend we should push ahead by 1 or 2 wins...

 

[seysearles]

More like six to eight good seasons.

So far this season we're +11.
We'd pass it in the fifth season like this, and this is a pretty darn good season...

You're right. I was just adding up the wins. A good season is probably +12/+13

 

[philohk]

Something else to bear in mind is that we now have as many flags as spoons - getting into the positive for the first time would be nice.

 

[Thaihawk]

Something else to bear in mind is that we now have as many flags as spoons - getting into the positive for the first time would be nice.

That said, Phil I don't think many living Hawk supporters have witnessed all the spoons, but there are many, like me who have seen all our flags. However, I'm with you, to tip the scales in favour of flags would be very nice.

 

[moginie]

Plus 4 and counting.

 

[Wandering Hawk]

Stay positive boys.

 

[Hotham Hawk]

Plus 27 and counting

 

[grumbleguts]

We need 5 more games scoring 100+ without conceding 100+ to draw level on that ledger.

 

[moginie]

Plus 92 at the end of the home & away season of 2014.

Now that is "Mission Accomplished".

 

[philohk]

Since 2010 we've reeled in the differential by 56 wins.

http://afltables.com/afl/teams/allteams/overall_wl_dec.html

A positive win/loss ratio by 2025 is a must

Just wanted to bump this and say we're oh so close to knocking the Cats off as the top team of the decade, according to that link. If they lose their next final and we win, or if any of a couple of other permutations happen, we're on top. What a turnaround!

 

[moginie]

Just wanted to bump this and say we're oh so close to knocking the Cats off as the top team of the decade, according to that link. If they lose their next final and we win, or if any of a couple of other permutations happen, we're on top. What a turnaround!

Yep, half a win away. That draw against St Kilda is the difference.

We're also the highest scoring team of the decade - no surprises there!

 

[Wandering Hawk]

Also we have now both outscored and out defended the Cats this decade. Out defended by only 2 less points.

 

[moginie]

Also we have now both outscored and out defended the Cats this decade. Out defended by only 2 less points.

Isn't that just an amazing stat. Better percentage by just over 3%.

Let's keep it going, Hawks!

 

[MightyHawks]

OK next target - overall win loss is too far away what else do we have?

Overall Finals Wins - Just passed Richmond... closing in on Melbourne & Geelong.

Collingwood 77
Essendon 69
Carlton 65
Geelong 50
Melbourne 49
Hawthorn 48
Richmond 46
Swans 36
Fitzroy 34 *
North 32
Saints 21
West Coast 19
Lions 15 *
Dogs 14
Adelaide 14
Port 10
Fremantle 5
Bears 2 *

Note: If you combine the Brisbane Lions & Fitzroy history then you get 49, throw in the Bears as well and 51 it is.

 

[Hawkk]

Divide number of finals wins / years in the VFL/AFL and you get...

Traditional clubs in bold.

Brisbane Lions - 15/17 - 0.88
West Coast - 19/27 - 0.70
Collingwood - 77/117 - 0.65
Adelaide - 14/23 - 0.60
Essendon - 69/115 - 0.60
Port Adelaide - 10/17 - 0.58
Carlton - 65/117 - 0.55
Hawthorn - 48/89 - 0.54
Richmond - 46/106 - 0.44
Geelong - 50/114 - 0.43
Melbourne - 49/114 - 0.43
North Melbourne - 32/89 - 0.36
Fitzroy - 34/100 - 0.34
South Melb/Sydney - 36/116 - 0.31
Fremantle - 5/19 - 0.26
Brisbane Bears - 2/10 - 0.20
St Kilda - 21/115 - 0.18
W Bulldogs - 14/89 - 0.15
University - 0/7
Gold Coast - 0/3
GWS Giants - 0/2

Another one...

Premiership Frequency...

Traditional clubs in bold.

Brisbane 17 seasons, 3 flags, 1 runners-up. 5.67 years per flag, 4.25 per Grand Final
Essendon 115 seasons, 16 flags, 14 runners-up. 7.1875 per flag, 3.833 per Grand Final
Carlton 117 seasons, 16 flags, 13 runners-up. 7.31 per flag, 4.03 per Grand Final
Collingwood 117 seasons, 14 flags, 26 runners-up. 7.80 per flag, 2.85 per Grand Fin
Hawthorn 89 seasons, 11 flags, 6 runners-up. 8.01 per flag, 5.24 per Grand Final
West Coast 27 seasons, 3 flags, 2 runners-up. 9.00 per flag, 5.40 per Grand Final
Melbourne 114 seasons, 12 flags, 5 runners-up. 9.50 per flag, 6.71 per Grand Final
Adelaide 23 seasons, 2 flags, 0 runners-up. 11.50 per flag, 11.50 per Grand Final
Richmond 106 seasons, 10 flags, 12 runners-up. 10.60 per flag, 4.82 per Grand Final
Fitzroy 100 seasons, 8 flags, 5 runners-up. 12.50 per flag, 7.69 per Grand Final
Geelong 115 seasons, 9 flags, 9 runners-up. 12.67 per flag, 6.33 per Grand Final
Port Adelaide 17 seasons, 1 flag, 1 runners-up. 17.00 per flag, 8.50 per Grand Final
North Melbourne 89 seasons, 4 flags, 5 runners-up. 22.50 per flag, 9.89 per Grand Final
Sydney 117 seasons, 5 flags, 10 runners-up. 23.20 per flag, 7.73 per Grand Final
Western Bulldogs 89 seasons, 1 flag, 1 runners-up. 89.00 per flag, 44.50 per Grand Final
St Kilda 115 seasons, 1 flag, 6 runners-up. 115.00 per flag, 16.43 per Grand Final
Fremantle 19 seasons, 0 flags, 1 runners-up. 19.00 per Grand Final
Greater Western Sydney 2 seasons, 0 flags, 0 runners-up
Gold Coast 3 seasons, 0 flags, 0 runners-up
University 7 seasons, 0 flags, 0 runners-up
Brisbane Bears 10 seasons, 0 flags, 0 runners-up

So two more wins this season will see us:

Finals Wins / Frequency

Hawthorn - 50/89 - 0.56
Carlton - 65/117 - 0.55
Richmond - 46/106 - 0.44

Premiership Frequency...

Carlton 117 seasons, 16 flags, 13 runners-up. 7.31 per flag, 4.03 per Grand Final
Hawthorn 89 seasons, 12 flags, 7 runners-up. 7.41 per flag, 4.68 per Grand Final
Collingwood 117 seasons, 14 flags, 26 runners-up. 7.80 per flag, 2.85 per Grand Final

Jumping Carlton and Collingwood in terms of finals/premiership frequency is a decent enough incentive...