Other New Patriots Scandal - DeflateGate

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GG said:
Not at all. It's pretty damn obvious I'm being serious and pointing out a major fork in the process where 24 balls were all correctly pressurized, and then sometime between the bathroom and the field, all 12 Pats balls became underinflated, whilst all 12 Colts balls remained properly inflated. There's THE fork.

That you think it's trolling shows up your insecurities, sensitivities, and inability to be objective and CRITICAL thinking.
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Haha ... I like it when you throw my own lines back at me. It shows growth on your part...

We actually don't know if all the balls were correctly pressurised. We simply know the refs said they were ok. We have no idea what checks they did.

As for all 24 balls, you sure the Pats ball boy had all the Colts balls? You sure they were all at the same pressure to start?

What we now hear is that contrary to the leak to Mortensen, the 11 balls that are allegedly under weight were as little as 0.5 pounds underweight.... One may have been almost 2 pounds under... If one team started at 12.5 and the other at 13.5 all sorts of possibilities arise if the bulk of pats balls were under 1 pound below the limit....

The reality is the balls are approved by the refs but that procedure for approval hasn't been clearly explained. The starting weights of all balls aren't known beyond the Pats like bottom weight. There is no detail on the ball weights, just leaks and speculation and there is scientific testing available via ESPN and various other outlets that ball pressure drops with significant temperature variance and rain....

Critical thinking requires an honest examination of all the FACTS actually in evidence. At present there are many required facts not yet in evidence to lay fault or blame anywhere....

But hey you hang in there and keep trolling... you'll drag those of us that are smarter and clearer of mind in every now and again :)
 
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GG said:
Rogue Ball Boy. Saint Tom and Cardinal Bill had nothing to do with it. Ball boy under no directive whatsoever by either Saint Tom or Cardinal Bill, over the years, to tamper with the balls to THEIR liking. He just went rogue for no reason. Even tho! the NFL had been aware of complaints all year of the Patriots engaging in ball deflation thru the regular season, such that Goodell decided to try to set up a sting to entrap them. The NFL AWARE OF IT HAPPENING all year.
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This is the same ball guy that's being accused by the NFL department for likes of quite possibly not doing anything untoward? .... But now he's definitely guilty in your mind? Not a very crowded place one suspects :)

It's good to see you now accept the NFL's fingerprints all over this. They better prove the Pats guilty or someone at the NFL will need to be the fall guy ...

Regardless, you keep running with these intellectual incisive clear headed arguments sir. They are compelling. :)
 
GG said:
All balls leave Wilson factory, pre-packaged at between 12.5 and 13.5 pounds, and Wilson attests to the quality assurance that all balls will last for two years at that pressure if untampered with.
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LOL

Now you are talking out of your arse... Have you been paying attention to this debate at all?
 
Re: http://www.sharpfootballanalysis.co...ts-prevention-of-fumbles-is-nearly-impossible

So New England has 3 of the 5 best ever periods of fumbles/offensive play ratios. Who has the other two? Colts. Brady's buddy when they went to the league to have the ball provision rules changed. Better check Mannings balls too. *ingG cheaters. Hope they get Mark McGuire HOF treatment when they r done. Banished forever.

If this was Vegas, they'd be tossed from the casino for counting cards. Don't stop at Mark McGwire, give them the Pete Rose treatment
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GG said:
I suggest you buy a brand new Wilson football, pre-packaged, not second-hand, and let it sit in your garage for two years and see what happens to it. It's like a Big Mac.
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Which had precisely nothing to do with anything.....

You do get that teams are allowed to use football's, and Taylor them to the preferences of their team right?

I'm just worried you might think they are supposed to use them brand new out of the wrapping untouched...
 
Eagle87 said:
Which had precisely nothing to do with anything.....

You do get that teams are allowed to use football's, and Taylor them to the preferences of their team right?

I'm just worried you might think they are supposed to use them brand new out of the wrapping untouched...
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Brushing footballs to make them rougher etc is ok. And will not cause balls to lose pressure. Wilson says only if someone sticks a pin in them or does a freezer job on them. (tampers with them directly in a way to cause deflation).
 
Eagle87 said:
LOL

Now you are talking out of your arse... Have you been paying attention to this debate at all?
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You would do well to heed the lesson of Lance Armstrong. For years thought of as lily white by his supporters until they got the evidence. Some healthy scepticism of your team would not go astray.
 

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GG said:
Brushing footballs to make them rougher etc is ok. And will not cause balls to lose pressure. Wilson says only if someone sticks a pin in them or does a freezer job on them. (tampers with them directly in a way to cause deflation).
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No, that's not really what he said....

Regardless, teams are allowed to manipulate the balls and set them up for weight and for PSI per NFL specified range.... So they are all altering the psi from what they come at out of the box. Are you new to this topic? Genuine question
 
Blacky said:
We have fumbled like it's going out of style
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FWIW I don't think it's an issue with manning. His numbers are consistent throughout his career
 
royals1922 said:
You would do well to heed the lesson of Lance Armstrong. For years thought of as lily white by his supporters until they got the evidence. Some healthy scepticism of your team would not go astray.
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Yawn... I've said repeatedly that if the Pats are guilty they should be punished.

The scepticism of the Pats is ALL that's been on display by one side of this debate. Some of us here are just trying to get the loons to try debating facts....

You'd get that if you were truly fair minded
 
Eagle87 said:
No, that's not really what he said....

Regardless, teams are allowed to manipulate the balls and set them up for weight and for PSI per NFL specified range.... So they are all altering the psi from what they come at out of the box. Are you new to this topic? Genuine question
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So what you are saying is they manipulated the ball but stuffed up the rate of manipulation. Sound logic there.
 
I'm off to dream of German and Nordic supermodels gorging on a can of baked beans. Got 6 hours of such film to peruse before I have to awaken to the realities of work.

So I bid you all a pleasant night and day tomorrow!

Shall be interesting to see what more develops tomorrow in the world of the NFL. I shall catch up with you all soon.

Death to all but Raiders. \m/
 
Eagle87 said:
Yawn... I've said repeatedly that if the Pats are guilty they should be punished.

The scepticism of the Pats is ALL that's been on display by one side of this debate. Some of us here are just trying to get the loons to try debating facts....

You'd get that if you were truly fair minded
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I'm awaiting the report. I have my doubts about some of the numbers but am prepared to suspend disbelief. But the saying a fish rots from the head down applies to football teams
 
royals1922 said:
I'm awaiting the report. I have my doubts about some of the numbers but am prepared to suspend disbelief. But the saying a fish rots from the head down applies to football teams
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Indeed. But your last sentence is stupidity - unless you are implying it has some application in this case. Which is to prejudge. Making, again, your pretence of fair mindedness mere hypocrisy
 
Eagle87 said:
Indeed. But your last sentence is stupidity - unless you are implying it has some application in this case. Which is to prejudge. Making, again, your pretence of fair mindedness mere hypocrisy
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It is actually premised on the belief that if there is cheating, it starts from the top, it would not be the decision of a minor functionary
 
royals1922 said:
It is actually premised on the belief that if there is cheating, it starts from the top, it would not be the decision of a minor functionary
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Awesome. So that applies to every sports team in the world. Great. No specific relevance here then. In that vain - the grass is green ....
 
GG said:
Rogue Ball Boy. Saint Tom and Cardinal Bill had nothing to do with it. Ball boy under no directive whatsoever by either Saint Tom or Cardinal Bill, over the years, to tamper with the balls to THEIR liking. He just went rogue for no reason. Even tho! the NFL had been aware of complaints all year of the Patriots engaging in ball deflation thru the regular season, such that Goodell decided to try to set up a sting to entrap them. The NFL AWARE OF IT HAPPENING all year.
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If that is the case and what you say is correct, they wait for the AFC Championship game to do anything about it. Nice sting if ever I heard one.
 
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