Official - Crows v Cats abandoned, points split, rest to go ahead, all brownlow votes will count

[Old_Man_James]

there goes our chance to make the finals sometimes life is not fair

I looked at the 3 game block of Port, Melbourne, Adelaide and thought we needed 8 points from them to have any shot of finals. We would of had 10 without losing to Melbourne, so all the blame should be on the players for dropping that

 

[Schulzenfest]

there goes our chance to make the finals sometimes life is not fair

Yes, you're the real victim here mate. I'm gonna go outside and tie a Geelong scarf around my letterbox in your honour.

You should be happy, it's 2 more points than your team would have gotten if nothing had happened to Walsh.

 

[Hawkers]

The Crows did not forfeit. The AFL declared that the match was not able to be played in the circumstances, and the AFL rule then says they split the points. It would be the same in the case of a natural disaster, if a game could not be rescheduled.

I know they didn't forfeit. Please read what I said and understand the context.

I said that either they forfeit or play the game.
BUT
because the AFL didn't enforce this then they have split the points - very much compromising the ladder in doing so.

The AFL should have awarded all points to Geelong as Adelaide couldn't/wouldn't play (ie an Adelaide forfeit) or, because of the circumstances, offered to reschedule the game.

What they have done, splitting the points, is technically worse in compromising the whole season (ie cancelling the round) than any other option.

 

[Crawb]

there goes our chance to make the finals sometimes life is not fair

A draw is as good as a win really for Geelong though with that poor percentage. You probably weren't going to win anyway...

 

[Scotland]

To people pointing to the rules, there is no rule for this sort of circumstance. How could there possibly be?

Adelaide can play this weekend. They have a list of fit players, a ready stadium, no extreme weather events are forecast etc. Given the nature of the tragedy, it isn't reasonable to expect them to.

It a sensible compromise between the parties involved.

The AFL should have awarded all points to Geelong as Adelaide couldn't/wouldn't play (ie an Adelaide forfeit) or, because of the circumstances, offered to reschedule the game.

Geelong have stated they are against this outcome. Splitting the points is fair.

 

[Docker Alyssa]

Breaks - Regular in-match club activities at 1/4, 1/2 or 3/4 time will not proceed. Auskick will proceed as usual.

What does that mean? I get the pre-match silence aspect, the post match non celebration, no song, etc etc.

 

[Hawkers]

Geelong have stated they are against this outcome. Splitting the points is fair.

If you're going to jump into a conversation (when people are replying to people etc) then please read the whole conversation up to that to understand the context.

To address your comment:

I know this. Of course they said this.
It shouldn't have been their decision.

The AFL should have said to Adelaide

"You're meant to play Geelong this week. Considering that you don't want play under the circumstances we understand that. We appreciate that. So we can either have you forfeit the match or we can ask Geelong to reschedule the match. We don't think splitting the points is feasible as it effects the whole competition too much"

That's it.

 

[MarcusP2]

And giving Geelong 4 points somehow compromises the whole competition less?

 

[Scotland]

You think rescheduling a match during the AFL season is feasible? And that the AFL should be forcing ultimatums on Adelaide the day they tragically lost their coach? Righto.

It wasn't Geelong's decision. They offered a compromise out of sportsmanship which was accepted by the AFL who made the decision. It's not like Geelong picked the best option for them and lobbied for it. The AFL could enforce a forfeit and give Geelong 4 points against their will, but what would be achieved by that exactly?

 

[romeohwho]

there goes our chance to make the finals sometimes life is not fair

Wow. Think there are a few people who can lay greater claim to that sentiment than Geelong atm.

 

[manboob]

I can't even believe this conversation is happening. If we'd forfeited the 4 points to the Crows I wouldn't have been mad.

 

[romeohwho]

If you're going to jump into a conversation (when people are replying to people etc) then please read the whole conversation up to that to understand the context.

To address your comment:

I know this. Of course they said this.
It shouldn't have been their decision.

The AFL should have said to Adelaide

"You're meant to play Geelong this week. Considering that you don't want play under the circumstances we understand that. We appreciate that. So we can either have you forfeit the match or we can ask Geelong to reschedule the match. We don't think splitting the points is feasible as it effects the whole competition too much"

That's it.

How does it compromise the comp?

 

[romeohwho]

I can't even believe this conversation is happening. If we'd forfeited the 4 points to the Crows I wouldn't have been made.

Or even 'mad'!

 

[JUBJUB]

there goes our chance to make the finals sometimes life is not fair

 

[JUBJUB]

What does that mean?

I asked the same thing in another thread.

 

[xown]

there goes our chance to make the finals sometimes life is not fair

2 points is better than the 0 you would have got if the game got played.

 

[Hawkers]

How does it compromise the comp?

Because now any team that has the same amount of wins and superior % than either team will now be behind the Cats or Adelaide.
% has been removed from the equation for all other teams in regards to Cats and Adelaide.
I haven't done a ladder predictor but this will effect final ladder positions. It may effect who makes finals (and associated things that go along with that) and final draft positions.

By splitting the points more then necessary collateral damage has been done to the competition (especially when the integrity of the competition should be held above all)

 

[Hardhat11]

No you're absolutely wrong There are only two options. Geelong get four points or both teams get two each. It would have been unsporting of Geelong to demand the four points for the forfeit but they could have done so.

You can't award a win to both teams. That's a nonsense.

An opinion is never nonsense and I suggest you calm down a bit

Sometimes a different tack is ok ....each to their own

Ever heard of the term agree to disagree ....if your like me and been married for 13 years it's could turn of phrase to learn .....

Well agree to disagree thanks

 

[Hawkers]

I can't even believe this conversation is happening. If we'd forfeited the 4 points to the Crows I wouldn't have been made.

You're thinking emotionally rather than rationally

 

[clogged]

Because now any team that has the same amount of wins and superior % than either team will now be behind the Cats or Adelaide.
% has been removed from the equation for all other teams in regards to Cats and Adelaide.
I haven't done a ladder predictor but this will effect final ladder positions. It may effect who makes finals (and associated things that go along with that) and final draft positions.

By splitting the points more then necessary collateral damage has been done to the competition (especially when the integrity of the competition should be held above all)

The rest of the clubs were consulted and they agreed with the outcome.

 

[milhouse1]

Because now any team that has the same amount of wins and superior % than either team will now be behind the Cats or Adelaide.
% has been removed from the equation for all other teams in regards to Cats and Adelaide.
I haven't done a ladder predictor but this will effect final ladder positions. It may effect who makes finals (and associated things that go along with that) and final draft positions.

By splitting the points more then necessary collateral damage has been done to the competition (especially when the integrity of the competition should be held above all)

Draws happen in footy without compromising the competition- this solution made the most sense

 

[romeohwho]

Because now any team that has the same amount of wins and superior % than either team will now be behind the Cats or Adelaide.
% has been removed from the equation for all other teams in regards to Cats and Adelaide.
I haven't done a ladder predictor but this will effect final ladder positions. It may effect who makes finals (and associated things that go along with that) and final draft positions.

By splitting the points more then necessary collateral damage has been done to the competition (especially when the integrity of the competition should be held above all)

Ah well, difficult times calls for difficult measures. Suspect most are okay with this.

 

[mick06]

Because now any team that has the same amount of wins and superior % than either team will now be behind the Cats or Adelaide.
% has been removed from the equation for all other teams in regards to Cats and Adelaide.
I haven't done a ladder predictor but this will effect final ladder positions. It may effect who makes finals (and associated things that go along with that) and final draft positions.

By splitting the points more then necessary collateral damage has been done to the competition (especially when the integrity of the competition should be held above all)

U know they could have drawn and split the points anyway if the game had gone ahead?

 

[Brad Goodman]

Is there anyone who would have wanted their club to force Adelaide to forfeit if they were the opposing team?

If so, you are an awful human.

 

[Underarm]

What does that mean? I get the pre-match silence aspect, the post match non celebration, no song, etc etc.

No kiss cam, cuddle cam, mascot dancing, No one telling you to bet, no ads. no welcoming past player, no merchandise giveaway. No hovercrafts. Not sure what Fremantle do during the game, but what ever it is wont be happening.