Play Nice Referendum - Indigenous Voice in Parliament - Part 2

[Gethelred]

Link to the proposed Referendum, from the Referendum Working Group:

(Edited 6 April 2023)

These are the words that will be put to the Australian people in the upcoming referendum as agreed by the Referendum Working Group (made up of representatives of First Nations communities from around Australia):

"A Proposed Law: to alter the Constitution to recognise the First Peoples of Australia by establishing an Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice. Do you approve this proposed alteration?"

As well as that, it will be put to Australians that the constitution be amended to include a new chapter titled "Recognition of Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Peoples".

The details would be:


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The Prime Minister has committed to the government introducing legislation with this wording to parliament on 30 March 2023 and to establishing a joint parliamentary committee to consider it and receive submissions on the wording, providing ALL members of Parliament with the opportunity to consider and debate the full details of the proposal.

Parliament will then vote on the wording in June in the lead up to a National Referendum.

The ANU has issued a paper responding to common public concerns expressed in relation to the proposed Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander Voice here:

Indigenous Voice to Parliament | Australian National University

Responding to common concerns about an aboriginal and torres strait islander voice First Nations portfolio Background

www.anu.edu.au

Summary details of the key points from this paper may be found in Chief post here:

The Uluru Statement from the Heart:

Not specifically No. In any case it does not form part of the Referendum proposal.

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Seeing as things have gotten a bit toxic in here, let's try to return things to a more civil tone.

The following will result in warnings to begin with, and if said behaviour continues will be escalated:

• referring to another poster as racist without direct provocation.
• dismissing or deriding another poster's lived experience.
• personal attacks or one line posts designed solely to insult or deride.

You might notice that the final rule is from the board rules. Thought we should probably remember that this is against the rules in case it's been forgotten.

Let's play nicely from here, people.

 

[winty]

 

[winty]

Let's hope the 'quiet Australians' who are voting No have stocked up on (cheap) champagne as they set to pop those corks on Saturday night when their precious victory is formally announced.

I read somewhere it could take up to 2 weeks before the final result is known.

Just enough time for the conspiracy theorists in the no camp to moan that they're trying to rig it.

 

[Rob R]

I read somewhere it could take up to 2 weeks before the final result is known.

Just enough time for the conspiracy theorists in the no camp to moan that they're trying to rig it.

Expectations are we should know by about 2100 when significant SA votes (since it is the likely swing state assuming NSW goes yes) have come in and possibly as early as 2000 if NSW goes bad.

My sister is working for AEC and they expect to have finished the count and reported their largish booth by 2000.

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[cartwright]

I read somewhere it could take up to 2 weeks before the final result is known.

Just enough time for the conspiracy theorists in the no camp to moan that they're trying to rig it.

Already heard them moaning some people got extra postal votes sent out.

and of course that means people will vote yes twice - they’d never vote no twice.

 

[MrKK]

I read somewhere it could take up to 2 weeks before the final result is known.

Just enough time for the conspiracy theorists in the no camp to moan that they're trying to rig it.

That was the word when the polls were much closer and they would have to wait for all of the postal votes to come in. Unlikely that the postals will make a difference now.

 

[Rob R]

Let's hope the 'quiet Australians' who are voting No have stocked up on (cheap) champagne as they set to pop those corks on Saturday night when their precious victory is formally announced.

Suspect the vast majority of yes and no voters (in particular no which is part of the reason no will probably win) don't really care and will just say thank God it is over.

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[ElectricG]

Dutton straight outta studio ghibli there

 

[Gavin Excell]

It’s cute that you think $360m is a big number in federal politics.

We’re about to vote no to an advisory voice and you think we could do more, maybe think on that.

It's 1 weeks diesel excise rebate to the mining industry

 

[Rob R]

Very grateful that we don't have voluntary voting like the states, campaign has had its bad moments but can you imagine how nasty it would have gotten if both sides had to focus on getting people to actually vote (US style whichbl just leads to extremism and dirty tricks on both sides)

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[Gough]

Suspect the vast majority of yes and no voters (in particular no which is part of the reason no will probably win) don't really care and will just say thank God it is over.

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If people don't care why would they vote no? If you're that apathetic surely you'd just take the word of the overwhelming number of peak and Indigenous bodies recommending a yes vote and be done with it.

 

[winty]

 

[Saint]

Suspect the vast majority of yes and no voters (in particular no which is part of the reason no will probably win) don't really care and will just say thank God it is over.

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I think a lot of the Yes voters will look at what to do next instead, while the No voters will continue to do nothing.

 

[campbell]

That was the word when the polls were much closer and they would have to wait for all of the postal votes to come in. Unlikely that the postals will make a difference now.

4 million postals I heard.

 

[winty]

That was the word when the polls were much closer and they would have to wait for all of the postal votes to come in. Unlikely that the postals will make a difference now.

4 million postals I heard.

Then there's all the pre-poll votes to count as well...

 

[MrKK]

Then there's all the pre-poll votes to count as well...

It doesn't take 2 weeks to count the pre polls though. They're ready to go as soon as the polls close.

4 million postals I heard.

Antony Green is tracking this daily. Anyone interested in Australian elections should be following him on socials as he's the best source of information.

 

[Kram]

What'd you reckon, Kram? You sceptical of the Voice?

Maybe I'm too cynical but yes.

Informal vote going in today.

 

[TheEscapeClub]

Voting NO means politicians won't have to listen.

It seems quite bizarre, that anyone would want that.

Voting yes doesn't mean they have to listen either.

 

[Engimal v3]

I think No will s**t it in now.

 

[Ghost Patrol]

Voting yes doesn't mean they have to listen either.

You would prefer they didn’t listen.

Thats how selfish you are, theres nothing in it for you either way. So you’ll keep ignoring people that don’t look like you.

 

[Kram]

The sad thing that is forgotten is that this is not about politics, it is about people.

I agree but do you realise exactly where you are posting this haha.

 

[Gethelred]

Maybe I'm too cynical but yes.

Informal vote going in today.

Which part of it's got you feeling a bit cynical? Is it just the general aura of 'do the right thing!' sounding awfully virtue signally?

 

[Goroyals22]

If people don't care why would they vote no? If you're that apathetic surely you'd just take the word of the overwhelming number of peak and Indigenous bodies recommending a yes vote and be done with it.

Why would you listen to anything anyone else says about it, especially those with their snout in the trough already and looking to get into it further?

If your to stupid to not make you own mind up then you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.


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[Kwality]

The message from the above is that Albo chose not to engage with Dutton & answer his questions, & the yes vote has gone South ever since.

The PM made a disastrous decision.

 

[Gough]

Why would you listen to anything anyone else says about it, especially those with their snout in the trough already and looking to get into it further?

If your to stupid to not make you own mind up then you shouldn’t be allowed to vote.


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The contention was people don't care so they vote no. I'd argue the opposite, if you don't care enough to do any research yourself why wouldn't you just follow the advice of almost everyone but the Federal Parliamentary Liberal Party and vote yes?

 

[Kwality]

Albo refused to answer Duttons questions - the vote has gone South from there. Own it,

Duttons question were fabricated inane nonsense

Even the more reason to engage ..... Dutton was looking for a way to be relevant & Albo accommodated him.