Autopsy Round 22 - Derby Autopsy. If you find a positive, pick it up and all the day you’ll have good luck

[Deepthroat]

Who would Jackson ruck to?

Terrible idea.

WCE didn't go for the trade because of the contract cost, they didn't want to destroy their draft hand at the start of a rebuild.

You don't trade for pieces like Jackson when you're rebuilding, you go after them to finish your build.

Melbourne absolutely would've expected our F1st this year, at a swap at the very least.

Imagine giving up Ginbey, Hewet and potentially Reid, just for Luke Jackson, whilst gifting Wardlaw and Reid to Melbourne?

It's a hideous thought.

You are making things up.

Melbourne accepted 13 and Frem F1 which on last year would have been expected as 10+.

Pick 2 covered these.

 

[bzparkes]

You are making things up.

Melbourne accepted 13 and Frem F1 which on last year would have been expected as 10+.

Pick 2 covered these.

I'm not making things up at all.

Pick 2 covers it in your opinion.

When 2 clubs are bidding, the price goes up.

Melbourne would've absolutely asked for a 2nd first rounder, because that's what Freo were offering. They'd have sent something back but basing your team's rebuild around a ruckman is stupid.

What's Jackson done for Freo's fortunes this year?

 

[Dark Sharks]

What's Jackson done for Freo's fortunes this year?

Not a ******* lot


Cockburn 2023:

 

[bh90210fan]

Yeah I’m not giving up Ginbey and Hewett for a ruck who gets monstered by Briggs and Nankervis thanks.

At the same age Naitanui was averaging more goals per game and 50% more hitouts than Jackson and there wouldn’t be too many more players to compare him to considering how unique it is to invest so much into a spare ruck.

Looks great when you come up against a side like Sydney when they have all their key defenders missing, or when Oscar McInerney

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Oscar Mcinerney

Age

29

Ht

204cm

Wt

110kg

Pos.

Ruck

Career

Season

Last 5

D

8.1

2star

K

4.1

2star

HB

3.9

3star

CL

1.4

4star

HO

14.3

5star

D

6.9

1star

K

4.1

2star

HB

2.7

2star

CL

1.9

4star

HO

16.4

5star

D

7.6

2star

K

4.0

2star

HB

3.6

3star

CL

0.4

3star

HO

11.2

5star

is out injured and you get a mismatch but when you put a capable bigger body on him he battles.

 

[ZergMinion]

Is there some kind of competition to see who can jump the shark by the biggest amount after a bad loss that I don't know about?

 

[Truckosaurus]

Is there some kind of competition to see who can jump the shark by the biggest amount after a bad loss that I don't know about?

Yes, but it's too late to enter now. Some of the early entrants have gone so far they're passing through the Oort Cloud.

 

[Doashuey]

Luke Jackson is going to be a real WEAPON for Fremantle.

Darcy's days are numbered as Jackson is so much more dynamic when playing second ruck.

How we stuffed our salary cap so we couldn't make a play for him last year is laughable.

Yeah Im sure that giving up our first 2 picks (1 and 19) for a ruckman was the best strategy. We could have had a spare $2M sitting in the cap and it still would have been an absolutely stupid idea to overpay for a ruck and take ourselves out fo the first 2 rounds of the draft (again) when our midfield is completly shot at the start of a rebuild. What use is a ruck with no midfield?

 

[bzparkes]

Nic Nat gone… Yes?

Yep

Content Naitanui bows out

The talismanic Eagle leaves a massive imprint on West Coast and the AFL after 213 games

www.westcoasteagles.com.au

 

[Trouto]

19 minutes.

That's how long the match lasted before Fremantle's stoppage game became ascendant, leading to the all-too-familiar fall of dominoes that results in disaster across all areas of the ground.

Every blowout loss this year sings to the same tune:

1. Getting sucked in at stoppage
   • Opposition starts winning decisively at clearance.
   • West Coast players react by closing in tighter on the stoppage, which does little to prevent opposing hands getting to the ball first.
   • With so many players in tight, the Eagles become incredibly exposed when the opposition is able to clear possession to the outside of the stoppage.
   • Afforded both time and space to select the best option, opposition runners on the outside transfer possession into attack in a way that leaves the West Coast defence as spectators.
2. Dominated for territory
   • With stoppages continuously in favour of the opponent, the game falls into one that exists entirely within the Eagles' defensive half.
   • Opposing defenders, growing in confidence, push far higher up the ground and remove the corridor as an exit point when West Coast has possession.
   • Forced up the line to a contest that is likely to be lost, and with multiple unmarked opposing spares in the middle of the ground, West Coast disposal chains result in turnovers that are easily turned into opposition scoring chances.
   • Starved of possession and chasing their defensive counterparts, West Coast forwards get far too high up the ground - to the point where on the occasions possession is able to get into the attacking half, they are completely ineffectual in being able to impact - leaving the Eagles near incapable of being able to generate any score at all.

So many times, always the same.

Has the coaching group learned anything? Apparently not.


81 minutes.

That's the amount of match time that took place between the Eagles' second and third goals.

During that period, Fremantle scored 17 consecutive goals.
The Dockers also had +40 inside 50s, +28 contested possessions and +12 clearances in that time.


It's also the amount of time the West Coast brains trust sat on their hands hoping for something good to happen.

Even then, when something was belatedly changed (Clark going onball), it was purely in reaction to something that was forced upon them (Cole's injury).



This result was NOT due to an illness or virus among the group.

If that were so, the figures for total distance covered and sprints would be way down - they are not. High speed distance covered is the same. Total sprints are +26. Repeat sprints are +6. Indeed, the top five players on the ground for total sprints are all Eagles.

Similarly, the Pressure Rating, a figure that is often conflated with effort and work rate, was higher throughout the match for West Coast, not Fremantle, despite the score becoming completely one-sided.


What happened in Derby 57 is a complete failure in the coaching box. And it can be added to the growing list of matches where a complete inability to act has occurred when the opposition has gained momentum.


Let's be clear, West Coast were never going to win this match. The disparity in talent between the two squads taking to the field was far too great to make such a result happen.

But this should never have been a 100+ point defeat. There is plenty that could (and should) have been done to deny the opposition from having the game completely on their terms in the manner that transpired.


Simpson can bang on all he likes about "not being able to get hands on the ball first" during his post-match press conferences, but what did he actually do during the game to address that problem? Not very much.

It's always been the same. Never has been a Plan B. Which was fine when Plan A was winning matches.

Now it only wins the wooden spoon.

I want Simmo gone too

your comments on the stoppages are spot on. its like they never train it and are expecting something different to happen each time! Its the same when we tackle - we stink at tackling so we try to shut down the ball carrier with 2 or 3 players, but we STILL cant restrict an arm or stop the handball which inevitably goes to a bunch of unmarked opposition players. We would seriously be better off just sticking hard to each man's opponent and letting the tackled player shovel it out.

i think it comes down to the players not being confident of most of their teammates to slow/stop the ball carrier so they team up. I do notice though, no one needs to help out Elliot Yeo when he tackles. If we were more hungry and committed like Yeo and worked on tackling technique more, we could be more accountable around the stoppages in making sure outlets are covered.

 

[UseR2006]

I want Simmo gone too

your comments on the stoppages are spot on. its like they never train it and are expecting something different to happen each time! Its the same when we tackle - we stink at tackling so we try to shut down the ball carrier with 2 or 3 players, but we STILL cant restrict an arm or stop the handball which inevitably goes to a bunch of unmarked opposition players. We would seriously be better off just sticking hard to each man's opponent and letting the tackled player shovel it out.

i think it comes down to the players not being confident of most of their teammates to slow/stop the ball carrier so they team up. I do notice though, no one needs to help out Elliot Yeo when he tackles. If we were more hungry and committed like Yeo and worked on tackling technique more, we could be more accountable around the stoppages in making sure outlets are covered.

The tackling stuff is complete nonsense.

in 2021 we averages around 45 tackles a match, in 2022 we averages around 58 and this year we are averaging over 60.
To say we haven't improved tackle wise is complete garbage.

 

[Keys]

So there’s at least one positive to come out of the derby disaster

https://x.com/westcoasteagles/status/1691004958857220096?s=46&t=hh1CaG3mgh6blUQ6zDAalg

Congrats Elijah

Going to be a gun

 

[Alesana]

The tackling stuff is complete nonsense.

in 2021 we averages around 45 tackles a match, in 2022 we averages around 58 and this year we are averaging over 60.
To say we haven't improved tackle wise is complete garbage.

I've thought our broken tackles have stood out badly at times this year. Maybe that's a result of more tackles overall though

 

[Trouto]

The tackling stuff is complete nonsense.

in 2021 we averages around 45 tackles a match, in 2022 we averages around 58 and this year we are averaging over 60.
To say we haven't improved tackle wise is complete garbage.

dude, you get a tackle stat if you tackle a player and he gets a handball out you know...

 

[ioppolo]

Is it possible we have so much less of the ball in our possession in 22/23 compared to 21? Sure seems like it. The tackle count would be higher from that. How much so, I couldn't tell you.

 

[Freomaniac]

Only if we change the coach to one that will actually play him in his proper position

Im not here to sink the boots in.

But since you and nobbyiscool are wrestling fans.... you can understand what I will say next.

If you want to Desribe the Eagles current situation in any World Wrestling Federation year, It has to be 1995 surely.

Ah The 1995 WWF, Where Diesel (Kevin Nash) was world champion. Business was cold and crowds were down. It was very dire wasnt it? At least you know there was gradual improvement in 1996-7 then the boom period years of 1998-2002.

 

[Godfather32]

Im not here to sink the boots in.

But since you and nobbyiscool are wrestling fans.... you can understand what I will say next.

If you want to Desribe the Eagles current situation in any World Wrestling Federation year, It has to be 1995 surely.

Ah The 1995 WWF, Where Diesel (Kevin Nash) was world champion. Business was cold and crowds were down. It was very dire wasnt it? At least you know there was gradual improvement in 1996-7 then the boom period years of 1998-2002.

I would say you guys are like TNA