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[pokerspiv]

We're talking about a top 0.01% athlete who is female. You asserted that the average man would be able to beat her. This is plainly not true.

Nothing to do with 'PC ideals' - those who are elite athletes of either sex are many magnitudes superior to the average. Don't be a pillock your whole life mate.

No, my point is that a much larger person would win regardless of athletic ability.

Sumo Wrestlers are hardly elite athletes. But they could beat most heavyweight boxers in a fight.

A 60kg woman trained in whatever martial art you choose would be more useful than a 60kg woman who isn't, but still less useful than a completely untrained 100kg man. Biological reality.

 

[cartwright]

I don't understand how donating my money to that org is going to end street harassment?

But I agree with the message of the video. I wouldn't appreciate that happening to me, and I don't think it should happen. Don't understand people commenting things like "They were just saying hello". The implication was clearly there even if the actual dialogue seemed polite.

I'm not sure either.
I will say though, that type of thing is quite common for NY, and it is intimidating.

 

[Raz0r6ack]

No, my point is that a much larger person would win regardless of athletic ability.

Sumo Wrestlers are hardly elite athletes. But they could beat most heavyweight boxers in a fight.

A 60kg woman trained in whatever martial art you choose would be more useful than a 60kg woman who isn't, but still less useful than a completely untrained 100kg man. Biological reality.

 

[Floor Pie]

Respectfully I disagree.

Whilst I can't knock the froth off a capuccino, I've boxed a bit. PS' point about size and weight is spot on, it makes a world of difference, and its why more and more weight divisions have been created for combat sports. There is nothing hard about bashing someone, anyone, that much smaller than you. Its just physics, the biomechanics involved, the reach, strength etc.

My pa was 67 when he knocked out a (at the time) current golden gloves champ in his prime in a pub fight over some money.

My grandfather got in the first punch and had about 6 inches height on the bloke. My grandfather was no former Ulster champion.

But gender doesn't actually come into it.

All good. I don't think you are disagreeing with me, because I've not actually said that.
I have just stated that poker is wrong when he suggests that Liam could beat Ronda.

Size does make a difference. Strength does make a difference.
I've not actually commented on that.

I've just said how wrong poker is, when he says that Liam Neeson would beat Ronda Rousey in a fight.
She walks around at about 68kg and has been around 79kg in the past.
And she has some incredible strength.

The thing is, she is a serious fighter. She fights in the MMA for a living. It is her life. She trains basically everyday to fight.

Not to mention the difficulties a boxer generally has when fighting against mixed martial arts. The change in levels really is a different world.
As you said you've done a bit of boxing, you would agree that it would be a completely different world when kicks are included, and trips, knees, throws, cage, etc and that's while it remains standing.

If you took Cain Velasquez and put him up against Ronda, he would decimate her. No question.
But Liam would have to be very lucky to win 1 fight in 20 against Ronda.

I don't think you disagree with this.

No, my point is that a much larger person would win regardless of athletic ability.

Sumo Wrestlers are hardly elite athletes. But they could beat most heavyweight boxers in a fight.

A 60kg woman trained in whatever martial art you choose would be more useful than a 60kg woman who isn't, but still less useful than a completely untrained 100kg man. Biological reality.

Sumo wrestlers are elite athletes...

You just don't understand just how large a difference is between different types of combat sports.
A world champion heavyweight boxer could never beat an average sumo wrestler in sumo.
A Sumo champion couldn't beat a boxer in a boxing match.

It's like saying that an Olympic shot putter should be able to beat someone in the 100m freestyle.
Power, endurance, speed, technique, etc
Look at marathon running compared to the 100m sprint. It's both about running, but do you think a champion from either discipline could be competitive in the other field?

Put Ronda and Liam in a celebrity boxing match and it will be closer between the two. But in a fight, Ronda would submit him within a minute.



Also;

Sumo Wrestlers are hardly elite athletes. But they could beat most heavyweight boxers in a fight.

Wrong!

UFC 1. When the rules were fairly non-existent.


And this one just shows that speed and endurance play a huge role in fighting as well.
Sumo is about brief blasts of incredible power.
76kg mixed martial arts fighter vs
272kg sumo/mma fighter


76kg wins when the Emmanuel is too exhausted to get up.

 

[Riseupaustralia]

ahhhh....the old adage...

It's not the size of the dog in the fight, it's the size of the fight in the dog!!

 

[Theseventhhamster]

I've watched a 55KG guy toying with a 100KG+ bodybuilder in a ring. Size doesn't mean s**t if you don't have skill. Not that I'm arguing that many chicks could stand and fight a dude. Big Islander types maybe but they tend to be with big Islander dudes. I'd guess dudes who hit chicks aren't dating anyone who could fight back. Pussies.

 

[The Coup]

In a street fight its about being bigger and hitting first.

Neeson has a huge reach advantage on her, he's hitting her a few times before she's doing s**t.

Plus he could choke her to death really quick with them frankenstein hands.

Keep in mind Ulster Boxing Champion in his day was like Baghdad AK-47 champion circa 2005

 

[The Coup]

I've watched a 55KG guy toying with a 100KG+ bodybuilder in a ring. Size doesn't mean s**t if you don't have skill. Not that I'm arguing that many chicks could stand and fight a dude. Big Islander types maybe but they tend to be with big Islander dudes. I'd guess dudes who hit chicks aren't dating anyone who could fight back. Pussies.

Size matters far more than skill. The heavyweight division of boxing is evidence of that.

 

[The Coup]

You guys are tripping on competition fighting vs an actual fight.

Completely different.

 

[pokerspiv]

You just don't understand just how large a difference is between different types of combat sports.
A world champion heavyweight boxer could never beat an average sumo wrestler in sumo.
A Sumo champion couldn't beat a boxer in a boxing match.

I never said that. We are talking about a street fight, with no rules.

 

[The Coup]

Where 99 times out of 100 first punch wins

 

[Floor Pie]

I never said that. We are talking about a street fight, with no rules.

UFC 1 had basically no rules... heavyweight fighter kicked a tooth out of the sumo's head. Ref stopped the fight before the karate guy did major damage.

Neeson has a huge reach advantage on her, he's hitting her a few times before she's doing s**t.

If you train, and live Muay Thai, you aren't going to forget it during a street fight. So you won't just be standing there to use your hands only.

Ronda trains all aspects. Fists, legs, knees, ground, submission etc.
A few hard kicks to your inner or outer thigh and you will start paying attention to the kicks.
Ronda has incredible take downs, and can false pretty well.
I'd say that Liam has no take down defense, and would not know what to do when he is on the ground.
After she punches him in the face or body a couple times, he will do what people always do, try to roll over to protect himself and get up. She gets him in a rear naked choke, he passes out.




It seems now, poker and coup, you're talking about a street fight, and in that fight, Liam walks up to Ronda and just punches her and knocks her out?

Youtube has plenty of videos of amateurs getting knocked out. Alcohol is often a factor, and so is the victim being distracted.
You think Ronda, who fights for a living, is an amateur?

 

[Theseventhhamster]

Size matters far more than skill. The heavyweight division of boxing is evidence of that.

Eh, I've handled huge guys and had my ass handed to me by a tiny guy boxing.

 

[The Coup]

Eh, I've handled huge guys and had my ass handed to me by a tiny guy boxing.

If you can refer to an opponent as tiny, its not really boxing is it?

Why do no small guys become world heavyweight champion, despite the fact the heavyweight decision doesn't actually have very many good boxers?

There are plenty of small guys who can fight, but the whole point of this discussion was that gender doesn't come into it, which I agree with.

 

[Theseventhhamster]

If you can refer to an opponent as tiny, its not really boxing is it?

Why do no small guys become world heavyweight champion, despite the fact the heavyweight decision doesn't actually have very many good boxers?

There are plenty of small guys who can fight, but the whole point of this discussion was that gender doesn't come into it, which I agree with.

Well yeah if two guys have similar training I'm picking the bigger guy no doubt. Mug fighters generally cant lay a hand on a sober boxer or similar regardless of size though.

 

[Riseupaustralia]

I'll fight all of you campaigners!!1

 

[Floor Pie]

I'll fight all of you campaigners!!1

Not if I fight* you first!




*make love to

 

[Riseupaustralia]

well, that de-escalated quickly.

 

[Floor Pie]

Gimme a minute and I'll re-escalate!

 

[Riseupaustralia]

Keep this up and Mottrains advertising will make his head explode.

 

[scon]

I've known a few little tackers who especially enjoyed hurting big blokes.

 

[mottrain]

I love the old people do it professionally so they cannot be beaten or defeated. Remember back to the first Survivor when a canoe instructor./canoist was walloped by a male who had virtually no experience in it due to the physical differences.

 

[Floor Pie]

I love the old people do it professionally so they cannot be beaten or defeated. Remember back to the first Survivor when a canoe instructor./canoist was walloped by a male who had virtually no experience in it due to the physical differences.

I'm going to punctuate your post, to make it say what I want it to say.


I love the old people!
Do it professionally so they cannot be beaten or defeated. Remember back to the first Survivor?
When a canoe instructor/canonist was walloped by a male who. Had virtually no experience in it due to the physical differences.

 

[Riseupaustralia]

It still makes no sense

 

[Riseupaustralia]

a male what?

sloth?