Europe War in Ukraine - Thread 4 - thread rules updated

[Gethelred]

Hey all,

Seeing as multiple people seem to have forgotten, abuse is against the rules of BF. Continuous, page long attacks directed at a single poster in this thread will result in threadbans for a week from this point; doing so again once you have returned will make the bans permanent and will be escalated to infractions.

This thread still has misinformation rules, and occasionally you will be asked to demonstrate a claim you have made by moderation. If you cannot, you will be offered the opportunity to amend the post to reflect that it's opinion, to remove the post, or you will be threadbanned and infracted for sharing misinformation.

Addendum: from this point, use of any variant of the word 'orc' to describe combatants, politicians or russians in general will be deleted and the poster will receive a warning. If the behaviour continues, it will be escalated. Consider this fair warning.

Finally: If I see the word Nazi or Hitler being flung around, there had better have a good faith basis as to how it's applicable to the Russian invasion - as in, video/photographic evidence of POW camps designed to remove another ethnic group - or to the current Ukrainian army. If this does not occur, you will be threadbanned for posting off topic

This is a sensitive area, and I understand that this makes for fairly incensed conversation sometimes. This does not mean the rules do not apply, whether to a poster positing a Pro-Ukraine stance or a poster positing an alternative view.

Behave, people.

 

[CD Xbow]

Exactly. A fast running failed state chasing ghosts instead of the real threats. They especially don't want to admit that not only did they neglect to see it, but their enemy in US intelligence actually knew about it and tried to warn them. Shows who the superior intelligence department is.

Yes, Mr P was a bit dismissive at the time. That along with ISIS releasing video from the body cam of an attacker means he won't be able to spin this as Ukraine's doing. He is trying though. Will everyday Russian believe it?

 

[jatz14]

From the president of the European council.

"It is now clear that Russia will not stop in Ukraine, just as it did not stop in Crimea ten years ago,” Michel writes, adding: “Russia continues its destabilising tactics — in Moldova, Georgia, the South Caucasus, the Western Balkans and even further afield on the African continent.”

From Eastern Europe.

It’s a warning East European nations have been shouting for decades.

“Now it seems like Europe understands this is Europe’s problem,” Lithuania’s prime minister Ingrida Šimonytė said earlier this month. “If Putin is not stopped in Ukraine, then whatever happens next is Europe’s problem at large.”

“We should have listened”



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[wannabejack]

"And it’s likely that several 'Ryazan' scenarios will unfold in the coming weeks (In 1999, a series of apartment bombings in Russian triggered the second Chechen war. Speculation was that they were part of a state-sanctioned plan). The first pilot group of “Islamic terrorists” were dealt with the other day in Kaluga oblast. The cover story was that they were about to attack a synagogue in Moscow.

The objective behind these run-of-the-mill provocations is to provide justification for instating martial law and beginning a large-scale mobilization."

 

[Baldur]

Footage of one of the drones which hit the oil refinery in Samara recently.
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With that droning noise it reminded me of footage of V1 attacks in WW2.

 

[Mobbs]

Novocherkassk city reports explosions at a transformer station.

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[Zidane98]

Footage of one of the drones which hit the oil refinery in Samara recently.
View attachment 1938880

Refinery genocide in action

 

[Present Not Past]

Exactly. A fast running failed state chasing ghosts instead of the real threats. They especially don't want to admit that not only did they neglect to see it, but their enemy in US intelligence actually knew about it and tried to warn them. Shows who the superior intelligence department is.

10% of the population of Tajikistan wok in Russia, about 1M people.
There's 1M meat waves for the Russian army.

 

[Mobbs]

Putin seems to be accepting that Crocus was an islamic-extremist terrorist act, but still wants to know who put them up to it.

"Putin earlier at the same meeting said that the Russian authorities “know that the crime was committed by radical Islamists,” but stressed that the main thing is to find its customer. He suggested that “this atrocity may be only a link in a whole series of attempts by those who have been fighting our country since 2014 at the hands of the neo-Nazi Kyiv regime.”"

Глава СК заявил Путину, что фигуранты дела о теракте в «Крокусе» рассказали о заказчиках преступления — Meduza

Предполагаемые террористы дали показания о заказчиках теракта в «Крокусе». Об этом на совещании с Владимиром Путиным заявил глава СК Александр Бастрыкин.

meduza.io

 

[Visions]

Putin seems to be accepting that Crocus was an islamic-extremist terrorist act, but still wants to know who put them up to it.

"Putin earlier at the same meeting said that the Russian authorities “know that the crime was committed by radical Islamists,” but stressed that the main thing is to find its customer. He suggested that “this atrocity may be only a link in a whole series of attempts by those who have been fighting our country since 2014 at the hands of the neo-Nazi Kyiv regime.”"

Глава СК заявил Путину, что фигуранты дела о теракте в «Крокусе» рассказали о заказчиках преступления — Meduza

Предполагаемые террористы дали показания о заказчиках теракта в «Крокусе». Об этом на совещании с Владимиром Путиным заявил глава СК Александр Бастрыкин.

meduza.io

The more he tries to pin it on Ukraine, the more blind he is to it happening again at the hands of the real culprits.

 

[CD Xbow]

There have been 3 reputed recoveries of debris that may have come from the Russian Zircon missiles that Ukraine may have shot down. Looking at the debris, much of it looks like delaminated composite like carbon fibre. Hypersonic missiles that spend significant time in the lower atmosphere generate great heat and need to be built with exotic materials.

Ukrainian air defense shoots down Russian Zircon hypersonic missile

During a morning Russian missile attack on Kyiv, Ukrainian air defense successfully intercepted two Zircon hypersonic missiles

mil.in.ua

The Zircon is another one of Mr P's super weapons, that is 'impossible to shoot down' according to many folks on the internet. Like most Russia claims this is rubbish. Another was the “Kinzhal” air launched ballistic missile, hypersonic and supposedly unstoppable: but it has turned out that Patriot interceptors can knock it down with a high rate of success. Putins obsession with wonder weapons is just another parallel with Hitler.

The first use of a Zircon was in February this year during an attack of Kyiv. Link below

Russia's ‘Zircon’ hypersonic super weapon has failed in Ukraine. Putin is egg-faced again

‘It is already clear that the weapon falls short of the enemy's claims’

www.telegraph.co.uk

There is some speculation how much they can manoeuvre, if at all. Hard work for those little motors to turn fins at mach 8, also the heat distribution on the hull changes as the craft changes it's aspect. The other problems are related to sensors, guidance and coms. Won't go into them here but hypersonics are complex, difficult and very expensive.

 

[Crankyhawk]

Yes, Mr P was a bit dismissive at the time. That along with ISIS releasing video from the body cam of an attacker means he won't be able to spin this as Ukraine's doing. He is trying though. Will everyday Russian believe it?

They will or get pushed out a window

 

[Saint]

The more he tries to pin it on Ukraine, the more blind he is to it happening again at the hands of the real culprits.

He's still pursuing the real culprits while using it as an excuse to chase the imaginary culprits. He's not blind to it. He knows he's lying.

 

[wannabejack]

Russian Missile Attacks Say More Than Words Ever Could at Kyiv’s 16th Annual Security Forum

The mission of this year's forum was to “mobilize transatlantic support for Ukraine,” which was made easier when Ukraine’s capital was subjected to a 31-missile bombardment as the audience assembled.

www.kyivpost.com

It is very difficult to explain to the whole world that we are being shelled and bombed solely because we are not a full-fledged NATO member,” Olena Kondratiuk, Deputy Chairwoman of Ukraine’s parliament

He said that Moscow’s “ultimatum” prior to a full-scale invasion that NATO must withdraw to the 1997 borders should be seen as a direct threat against Poland, Czechia, the Slovak Republic, Romania, Bulgaria, and all the Baltic countries. “It would be simply idealistic” to think “such a mad dictator” would stop with Ukraine alone, Groysman said.

Indeed, some have thought that we as a nation did not exist. Russia was not alone in hatching such ideas,” Danilov said. “The US will make another mistake if they fail to understand that decolonization of Russia is to be carried out in the nearest future.”

“Look at the sanctions against the Soviet Union. Nevertheless, it continued to produce military materiel. Their military industry was effective, it was doing ok, but their civilian economy was rotting. Back in the 1980s it looked like sanctions policy had completely failed. In retrospect, it looks like a success.

 

[Baldur]

Yes, Mr P was a bit dismissive at the time. That along with ISIS releasing video from the body cam of an attacker means he won't be able to spin this as Ukraine's doing. He is trying though. Will everyday Russian believe it?

“The rules are simple: they lie to us, we know they’re lying, they know we know they’re lying, but they keep lying to us, and we keep pretending to believe them.”

Elena Gorokhova

 

[Mobbs]

Rumours of another Russian ship (in fact, an ex-Ukrainian ship which Russia appropriated in 2014) are now starting to surface.
It's called the Konstantin Olshansky. I'm unsure of the veracity of these reports, looking for more sources.

Edit: It's apparently an update on the attack on ships the other day, where the Azov was missed, the Yamal was perhaps damaged, and the Ivan Khurs was hit (again). Apparently the Konstantin Olshansky also bore some of the brunt from the attack.

 

[Visions]

You can make up your own story when you have a fascist regime in power.



But they forgot to tell Lukashenko what to say, and needing to be in the limelight he comes out with his own version contradicting the narrative.

 

[Visions]

Lukashenko getting even more brazen. Expecting his troops who were s**t scared to invade Ukraine alongside Russia to instead invade the Baltic states and Poland.

Makes for a good way for Poland to enter the war and take over Belarus.

 

[Visions]

Innovative. Low cost way to take out Russian drones not using missiles.

 

[CD Xbow]

Innovative. Low cost way to take out Russian drones not using missiles.

That's bloody brilliant - acoustic sensor network, each node can be a cheap phone. I'd be interested in knowing what range each phone covers but have not seen any of that sort of detail.

 

[Zidane98]

Innovative. Low cost way to take out Russian drones not using missiles.

Genius!!

 

[Zidane98]

You can make up your own story when you have a fascist regime in power.



But they forgot to tell Lukashenko what to say, and needing to be in the limelight he comes out with his own version contradicting the narrative.

What was his explanation for their car being registered in Belarus?

 

[Chief]

Given the successful experiments with using Wi-Fi signals to see inside rooms, I began wondering.

If anyone has a big array of near-Earth orbiting satellites they could somehow use to spot drones...

Nahhh.

 

[swingdog]

Given the successful experiments with using Wi-Fi signals to see inside rooms, I began wondering.

If anyone has a big array of near-Earth orbiting satellites they could somehow use to spot drones...

Nahhh.

He'll be pissed he didn't think of this.

 

[Visions]

Ukraine this morning qualified for the Euro 2024 football tournament, the biggest one outside the World Cup.

Think this photo at the end of the game sums it up.

Spoiler: Swearing Involved

 

[Millky95]