Even Richmond was on the brink, it was that bad.but it was a dangerous time for Vic sides that were not the big four. Ask Fitzroy supporters. As it was.. we still nearly went down the drain and it was mainly Costa that put the plug in the drain.
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Even Richmond was on the brink, it was that bad.but it was a dangerous time for Vic sides that were not the big four. Ask Fitzroy supporters. As it was.. we still nearly went down the drain and it was mainly Costa that put the plug in the drain.
Even Richmond was on the brink, it was that bad.
There is one very reasonable comparison: Sydney offered them both a chance to set themselves up for life in a way that they wouldn't have gotten at Geelong.Fair enough valid opinion.
Too me they are similar in that they were both from out of the system... we found.. them gave them a shot ... and they showed so much that they were offered huge money from Sydney
They should have merged. That really screwed the old Fitzroy supporters over. I know the Presidents were worried about a super-club, but that was short term thinking.North and the Lions nearly merged.
For starters, I'm a very pro Chris Scott fan, so please don't take it as an instant kick the man out type. BUT.. is Chris Scott our next premiership coach if we determine that our window is closed/closing?
I don't think we need to overreact in terms of selling the farm though there would be a distinct difference in merely communicating that the objective for the 24-25 seasons is not "we're going for a flag". Until the club officially decides that a flag is out of reach, which they may not simply from a marketing and revenue perspective, then it's hard to expect drastic change.
Hmac was bad but we have made a few ..
Sidebottom was so bad... Footywire doesn't even count his 7 game 1981 season.
Topped of with missing the bus t the game in a final. What a disaster.
I heard he was in but hardarse coach Goggin did not want him in so he "missed" the bus. Really I have NFI and would love to know, but I doubt we ever will.Have the public actually ever been told ( and the actual truth ) as to what actually happened which caused him to miss the bus to that final - and the amazing thing is - Sidebottom that year had not played a senior game - since about round 6 or round 7 - so it was amazing he got selected for the PF - and amazingly Daved Clarke got dropped - and i didnt think he played too badly in the 2nd semi - against Carlton
Not having ago at anyone - but you only get tit bits of information - i can remember Ian Nankervis who was capt saying they wernt happy with the condition ( drinking ) that Sidebottom was in when he got off the reseves bus the week before after the game - but he then added that Gary was a good strong trainer and everything would be allright . And then Peter Johnson saying - Billy said to him - your not playing - your not in the team - but bring your gear just in case - ah because Sidey might miss the bus . Then you had the team manager who years later threatened legal action if he was to be blamed in any shape or form for Sidey missing the bus - and as a result he was totally exonerated from any blame
Id love someone to say this is what actually happened - and this why he missed the bus - in my opinion the full complete story has never been told
Its a bit like the Fine Cotton fiasco- ok we know it was a ring in - but the public have never been told the full- complete story - as in to who organised it- who was the Mr Big - who recruited all the players/characters - who paid for the substitute horse Bold Personality . All weve got re info - is bits and pieces - Robbie Waterhouse the bookie got suspended - there was a priest at the Appin Greyhound Track - wanting to have 10 grand cash on the horse or something
The public have never been told the full story A-Z in who actually organized it - and who was issuing the directions- as to who did what
With the massive compromisation of the draft due to academies, the inclusion of FA as well, you cant rely on solely the draft.Can't say I want us to do a proper rebuild after seeing how many clubs have tried and failed to do them. Plus we have too much talent on our list that a s**t year for us is still going to end up with us finishing between 7th and 12th, not low enough to get a great pick.
We won't even be truly s**t because of the games we play in Geelong.
But you are right, what a problem to have.
Two years earlier IIRC. And then we played him out of position at half-forward anyway - he wasn't great overhead or particularly quick, he really needed to play in the middle.Higgins I put in a different category: should have come as a free agent a year earlier and by the time he came, paying anything at all was a poor decision. His first season was a pass mark, barely, and in his second he simply faded and was passed by others in a successful flag year so zero harm done.
I mean, you'd say that, but West Coast play half of their games against a team that has just spent four hours on a plane, and yet...We won't even be truly s**t because of the games we play in Geelong.
Read this for a fantastic summation of so much of what went on with the 'Fine Cotton' ring-in. A really enjoyable and insightful book.Its a bit like the Fine Cotton fiasco- ok we know it was a ring in - but the public have never been told the full- complete story - as in to who organised it- who was the Mr Big - who recruited all the players/characters - who paid for the substitute horse Bold Personality . All weve got re info - is bits and pieces - Robbie Waterhouse the bookie got suspended - there was a priest at the Appin Greyhound Track - wanting to have 10 grand cash on the horse or something
The public have never been told the full story A-Z in who actually organized it - and who was issuing the directions- as to who did what
There are a few coaches in history who built two sides into premiership contention, without leaving clubs. Sheedy did it three times, Malthouse did it twice with Collingwood, Longmire did it at Sydney.For starters, I'm a very pro Chris Scott fan, so please don't take it as an instant kick the man out type. BUT.. is Chris Scott our next premiership coach if we determine that our window is closed/closing?
Nah it was 2019. We were also keen in 2014 when he moved from the Bulldogs to North.Two years earlier IIRC. And then we played him out of position at half-forward anyway - he wasn't great overhead or particularly quick, he really needed to play in the middle.
Scott isnt like that. He's never ever been of the Clarkson mold.I think the question is honestly more if Scott wants to have a go at a rebuild or not… not the other way around if we want him.
He has been around along time and it is a very taxing job… is he interested in going through that journey??
If I was him, I would also want a full commitment from geelong that they are all in for him to do it properly as well. The last thing you want is a Clarkson tantrum midway through and a sacking
He would have been perfect then, in that forward of the ball midfielder role that SJ played in 2013Nah it was 2019. We were also keen in 2014 when he moved from the Bulldogs to North.
When they made that new ground, didn't they say its closer to MCG dimensions so that when it comes to finals they are used to the size and feel of the ground?I mean, you'd say that, but West Coast play half of their games against a team that has just spent four hours on a plane, and yet...
Might be jumping the gun a bit here and would love nothing more than to be wrong, but i am happy as a fan to put a cross through a flag in 2023. Finals maybe at best.
So the discussion i put forward to you is... What does the club need to do in the future to return the Geelong football club back to premiership contention???
Myself personally, i see this as a very exciting period of a mini transition where we heavily invest in some good quality youth for a couple of seasons... Potentially 2x top ten draft picks in a row with clark and whoever comes along this season.
A huge pre season into bruhn henry brothers and holmes SDK, knevitt Neale and Conway will see a natural increment.... How big a rise depends on how much they put in on the track
Will danger Duncan blicavs Hawkins guthrie continue to hold form and roles??
I can see us if all goes right bouncing back to top four next season, or I can see us spending 2-4 years in the bottom 8 building back up again.
Either way, I am very excited about what the next chapter brings!
This is the grim reality - as I don't see any midfielders in our list who are likely to be able to pick up the torch in the next year or two to make us genuinely competitive in there.its all begins with the MF IMO
If the MF can get better clearances and entries then the F will work better.
If the MF can run both way and apply pressure then the D will work better and outnumber
Both F and D group sneed to help the mids by pushing up and working back no doubt... but the MF is where it starts.
And thru injury and work rate, we have suffered this year.
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I share your concerns but I do think Bruhn will continue his improvement and Holmes surely has to bounce back. I know some see him as a wingman only, but we desperately need him to share midfield duties as well and in his best few games this season, he has done it superbly. The problem is he's had no consistency.This is the grim reality - as I don't see any midfielders in our list who are likely to be able to pick up the torch in the next year or two to make us genuinely competitive in there.
I almost wonder if it'd be worth trading some assets out of the side to a genuine contender team who's hoping to go all the way in the next year or two. Possibly a Carlton, who are a little weak across half-back and could take one of our backs in exchange for some midfield grunt. Or maybe even the Bulldogs etc?
This is one of the terminal long-term symptoms of constantly trading in players and not relying on the draft. Eventually it seems you get yourself into problems you can only trade your way out of.
The Dangerfield point is a good one - but the guy is just his own worst enemy sometimes. I thought it was miraculous he didn't get injured in the Grand Final last year - was just running full pelt into congested contests but somehow managed to escape unscathed. I remember Bartel saying years ago that his view was the harder you go, the less likely you are to be the one who gets hurt. Maybe there's truth to that. Either way, Dangerfield injuries seem more likely at this stage of his career now the body is pretty old.I share your concerns but I do think Bruhn will continue his improvement and Holmes surely has to bounce back. I know some see him as a wingman only, but we desperately need him to share midfield duties as well and in his best few games this season, he has done it superbly. The problem is he's had no consistency.
Blicavs and Atkins for whatever reason have rarely fired at the same time this season. When they have, we've actually been really competitive in there. This tends to happen, besides the last couple of weeks, when Dangerfield is in there with them. I'm confident that even though he's a different type of midfielder, C.Guthrie could be that main driver next season.
Ideally Dangerfield can be managed a bit better and not have so many injury interruptions. He has still had 6 or so of his 14 games performing really well. 2 he got injured mid game and a couple he was rusty returning. But I think just based on the last two weeks the overreactions to Dangerfield have been overblown. If half of his games next season are to a high standard and he has more help, he's still doing his job.
Maybe one experienced midfielder like Crouch as a stop gap is the best we can do for next year, where we will also start to blood Clark in. Ideally we get an A grade midfielder in their prime but it's just so hard to do. We need the group we have to go back to the best of 2022 (minus Selwood) with some other youngsters stepping up.
I haven't watched any VFL this year.Tso of the boys who could help us come back into contention have had great years in VFL (and Mitch has played well in AFL when given that block of games). If you look at VFL stats noting that 2 games for Dempsey he played only a half given he was holdover…they have consistently now shown they are too good for VFL and hopefully in 2024 that can translate into AFL - will be big boost for team if they have have a year 3 SDK type break out…
For comparison I did have a look to try and compare other clubs youngest and how their VFL form got them games. Not the lower clubs…last night for example Arty Jones played for the Dogs (who will get 5th) in the same position Dempsey plays. His VFL stats are average 8 possessins and less than A goal a game vs Dempsey 24 possessions and 1.5 goals per game…
Understand the difference between VFL and AFL but Mitch proved this year that if you give a kid a handful of full games in a row they can build into it. Let’s hope both have a full pre season along with Jyhe Clark and Toby - and maybe we start with 4 new recruits who can compete at that level?
Dempsey VFL Stats
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Knevitt VFL Stats
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