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I hate all the talk about "Winning when it matters" because it means when Geelong beat us in an elimination final, we will cop it for years.
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No - games like in September are.Winner winner chicken dinner.
Save Sam Mitchell who never lowers his colours, our senior players were woeful.
Easy to beat up on the minnows, but games like yesterday's are where you earn your money.
Hi ClarkoLet's all just stick our heads in the sand and pretend that it never happened.
Yes, it is one loss but the way we got beaten is what is most alarming. And the fact that we are not learning from previous mistakes against this mob is also concerning.
But yeah, nah it never happened.
No - games like in September are.
No - games like in September are.
Do we have a far better list than the Cats, though? I'd question that (but is just my opinion).Losses like yesterday's will affect the mindset of our players. To think we don't have mental issues when playing geelong is to have your head in the sand.
Fact is we have a far better list and we should be handling the comfortably, but we keep beating ourselves.
The sooner we address that it's a problem and do something about it the better.
Pretty much all his goals came from his ability to over power Cheney. We might still have lost as it changes the game completely but my point is that had Lake played Hawkins doesn't walk away with 5 goals from 8 scoring shots (most from in front), 10 marks and 2 or 3 Brownlow votes.I don't know if we would have with Lake. Maybe Hawkins kicks 2 less goals and we go down by 1 goal. No point talking about what ifs, that belongs to Geelong supporters who still talk about the 2008 Grand Final and the 2013 Prelim.
You can't have it both ways mate. Either we're allowed to look to the past to show that these games are always close tussles but we have won the 2 most important games out of the lot of them, OR we're only looking at this season in isolation and we're 4-1 to start the season playing without our 1st choice full back (Lake), experienced clearance player (Sewell) and replacement power forward (Schoenmakers). That is the simple fact.Simple fact is that we have lost what, 12 out of our last 13 games against Geelong and were very lucky that last years PF wasn't a loss too, so therefore holding on to that win is your prerogative
Fact is that they have our measure and all the " we win when it matters " crap is just that, pure bullshit
It doesn't mean we are eating our own at all, but if you are content on last night then that's up to you
Lake would not have made much difference at all, honestly we were very lucky to be so close
Let's all just stick our heads in the sand and pretend that it never happened.
Yes, it is one loss but the way we got beaten is what is most alarming. And the fact that we are not learning from previous mistakes against this mob is also concerning.
But yeah, nah it never happened.
The problem is that people started believing we're head and shoulders above everyone, and should therefore never lose.
Some nuff-nuffs (both here and in the media) were talking about "Will Hawthorn be undefeated?". After 3 games, FFS!
Personally, I believe the same thing I believed yesterday;
- we are one of the teams that could win it,
- there are other teams that could win,
- any one of these teams could beat any other on the day, it still comes down to performance on the day
- the home and away season is one season
- the finals season is another season
- if you make the Grand Final, everything that has gone before means nothing
Now, had we not beaten Geelong last year, I almost certainly would be with those gnashing teeth and wailing.
But, as we have already proved, conclusively, last year, that home and away wins mean nothing come finals, I really don't see why there should angst from any who have followed Hawthorn for more than 6 months. (Anyone who wants to say "We just got lucky" can go and get ******, seriously)
Our goal remains the same, top 4, and top 2 preferably.
When we start losing more than one every five, I'll happily joins the torch-brandishers.
Let's all just stick our heads in the sand and pretend that it never happened.
Yes, it is one loss but the way we got beaten is what is most alarming. And the fact that we are not learning from previous mistakes against this mob is also concerning.
But yeah, nah it never happened.
THIS.I think the Geelong supporter I overheard discussing the game with his Hawthorn mate on the train ride home summed it up best "it was good to get the win but I'd much prefer the 2 wins Hawthorn have had over us".
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When we start losing more than one every five, I'll happily joins the torch-brandishers.
Ok then, just let me know which big games Jarryd Roughead has played well in?
I love the guy, but he is a sacred cow around here and I am wondering why?
Keep on complaining, CK, Because all your dreams will come true!
I wasn't happy with the loss, but the team was "off" yesterday. We played poorly all day, but it was only in the last 8 minutes where they killed us off.
We've got loads of improvement.
I also think we need Jeff Kennett's advice, it's his type of situation:
1. Drop Clarko to Box Hill for 2 weeks
2. Promote the Box Hill Coach (Mr Whatshisname) and let him take over
3. Blame someone else (the politician's creed).
Or we could get with club and prepare for next weeks game.
Robust discussion around what we do yes, eat our own, not on. Premiers are not made in April. I think Clarko has the plan to beat Geelong but the players are not willing or able to implement it for long enough. We played it for a half or just over int he PF and won. We played it for about 20 minutes yesterday, played absolute shite for the rest of the match and still drew ahead int he last. We are alright, few things need sorting but that is why it is good to have this happen early on. Especially since we have the early wins. Early wins allow you to adjust and experiment without the pressure of NEEDING to win every week from here on out ala 2011 and 2012.
We need to win this week and next. If we don't then we are in trouble with the way we can manage players and game plans. If we end up losing both or one of those we start to lose flexibility with how we attack games as wins become too important.