Why should David Hicks be stripped of royalties for his auto-biography ?

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Your ignorance even astonishes me. It's pointless asking you for evidence of him being "in the field of battle" because you have failed to produce any evidence on the many inaccuracies that litter your posts so far. You just deflect and divert. Credit it to you there, you're excellent at that.

You continually post unsubstantiated drivel and when it's shot down you just divert and distract with more drivel. Probably gleaned from people like Bolt and Jones who make stuff up on a daily basis.

There are some gaps in what we know and the sure way to find out the truth is in a properly run court where the key players can be subpoenaed and directed to give evidence under oath. That's not something that would appeal to people like you. Let's not let the facts get in the way.

You make statements that show your opinion is formed because you don't like Hicks rather than any real interest finding the truth. You live in this parallel universe which believes there was no evidence of torture. Despite former US soldiers who witnessed it saying so. Even that wonderful human being Donald Rumsfeld acknowledged it occurred. At the same time saying he didn't consider water boarding torture. A nuffie you no doubt admire.

There is no evidence Hicks ever harmed anyone. His persecutors main issue was he associated himself with the Taliban, the same one the US supported in deed an cash not long before. If there was evidence of major criminal activity no one would know better than the Chief US Prosecutor who has said there was none. It was all political.

It's so revealing that you don't care that a fellow citizen was abandoned by his country and treated inhumanely for years. Kept in solitary confinement for all that time. And for what? Doing little more than making some bad decisions.

Furthermore, that you don't care one wit about a gross miscarriage of justice. And presumably you get to vote.

As someone who has been around the block a few times, including over 10 years in the defence force, I don't like Hicks because of what he was doing and what he was attempting or hoping to do.

The Taliban and Al Qaeda weren't all there was to his little adventures, they were just the end of it. You're conveniently ignoring the other organisations before he got to that point.

I can at least understand a mercenary, they do it for money, as far as I can tell, Hicks seemed to just be doing it for shits and giggles.

As for the torture part, he may well have been, I never said he wasn't, you just threw up a heap of educated people who spoke about it from an academic point of view without any of them directly witnessing it. It was all third party.

Who are the former US soldiers who witnessed it? Can you provide sources. Did they witness it specifically with regards to Hicks or just other detainees in general.

 

[CountryRace]

As someone who has been around the block a few times, including over 10 years in the defence force, I don't like Hicks because of what he was doing and what he was attempting or hoping to do.

The Taliban and Al Qaeda weren't all there was to his little adventures, they were just the end of it. You're conveniently ignoring the other organisations before he got to that point.

I can at least understand a mercenary, they do it for money, as far as I can tell, Hicks seemed to just be doing it for shits and giggles.

As for the torture part, he may well have been, I never said he wasn't, you just threw up a heap of educated people who spoke about it from an academic point of view without any of them directly witnessing it. It was all third party.

Who are the former US soldiers who witnessed it? Can you provide sources. Did they witness it specifically with regards to Hicks or just other detainees in general.

Why would you doubt the us would torture blokes?
did to not read the report?
Do to enjoy Lebanese food?

 

[Qsaint]

What Hicks did (or did not) do is beside the point. The only issue of major importance was that an Australian citizen was detained by an ally and kept in appalling conditions for over 5 years without a trial whilst our government watched and did nothing. What happened to him was scary.

No what clearly is not in dispute and admitted by hicks was he was fighting for the Taliban as an illegal enemy combatant under the GC . He could still be legally locked up now

Why should of the Australian Govt done anything?

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Why would you doubt the us would torture blokes?
did to not read the report?
Do to enjoy Lebanese food?

I have no doubt they torture blokes, probably going on somewhere right now despite what's been released and the embarrassment that followed from that release.

I was just asking about Hicks specifically and not the usual generalisations that there was torture going on so it must have happened to Hicks.

 

[CountryRace]

I have no doubt they torture blokes, probably going on somewhere right now despite what's been released and the embarrassment that followed from that release.

I was just asking about Hicks specifically and not the usual generalisations that there was torture going on so it must have happened to Hicks.

If you were a betting man , what would you say the percentages are ... ( likelihood )

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

If you were a betting man , what would you say the percentages are ... ( likelihood )

I reckon it's almost odds on.

Just as I reckon it's almost odds on that Hicks would have actually harmed if not killed people.

 

[CountryRace]

Well it's all quite depressing then

 

[Herne Hill Hammer]

Well it's all quite depressing then

Notwithstanding his willingness to voluntarily train and fight with organisations with the end result being that we would likely inflict harm or worse on people, he basically bragged to his dad that he was allowed to fire hundreds of rounds at the enemy over the line in Kashmir. (yes there was probably some embellishment in his story)

People can cry all they want about due process of law and if they think that the Australian Government abandoned him, how about you spare a thought for any people he may have harmed or killed for no more than a bit of a thrill.

 

[AM]

I reckon it's almost odds on.

Just as I reckon it's almost odds on that Hicks would have actually harmed if not killed people.

But there is no evidence he did or that he was involved in any combat at all.

Try and overcome what you 'feel' and act on substantive evidence.

As Daniel Moynihan wrote: “Everyone is entitled to his own opinion, but not to his own facts.”

 

[Gough]

Q. Who has more criminal convictions, Andrew Bolt or David Hicks?

 

[skilts]

Notwithstanding his willingness to voluntarily train and fight with organisations with the end result being that we would likely inflict harm or worse on people, he basically bragged to his dad that he was allowed to fire hundreds of rounds at the enemy over the line in Kashmir. (yes there was probably some embellishment in his story)

People can cry all they want about due process of law and if they think that the Australian Government abandoned him, how about you spare a thought for any people he may have harmed or killed for no more than a bit of a thrill.

Conviction quashed. HHH will expose himself yet again as an enemy of due legal process by saying Hicks is still guilty, because HHH says so. Speaking through egg on face will present no difficulty for HHH, he will clear a passage with his putrid, rabid, regurgitated bile. No really, I'm not laughing uproariously, I'm merely smirking. HHH confirmed as the gormless fool he is.

 

[little graham]

Notwithstanding his willingness to voluntarily train and fight with organisations with the end result being that we would likely inflict harm or worse on people,

The ANZACS must of inspired him, just following in thier footsteps.

 

[Xsess]

Some terrorists have the guts to call themselves terrorists. Not our David Hicks - he will be known forever as the gutless terrorist who trained with the Taliban and pleaded guilty to terrorism charges, before having those charged reversed on some piddling technicality 10 years after the fact. But I'm not surprised the left love him and pulled out all stops to reinvent his sinister past, after all they also loved Hitler and installed him as head of the National Workers Socialist Party, not to mention Stalin and Mao who starved a hundred million to death.

I do find it fitting David has a Hebrew name, named after one of the great Kings of the people of Israel.

 

[AM]

Some terrorists have the guts to call themselves terrorists. Not our David Hicks - he will be known forever as the gutless terrorist who trained with the Taliban and pleaded guilty to terrorism charges, before having those charged reversed on some piddling technicality 10 years after the fact. But I'm not surprised the left love him and pulled out all stops to reinvent his sinister past, after all they also loved Hitler and installed him as head of the National Workers Socialist Party, not to mention Stalin and Mao who starved a hundred million to death.

I do find it fitting David has a Hebrew name, named after one of the great Kings of the people of Israel.

You should set-up a school for trolls. You do it sooooo well.

 

[rodney hoo]

Some terrorists have the guts to call themselves terrorists. Not our David Hicks - he will be known forever as the gutless terrorist who trained with the Taliban and pleaded guilty to terrorism charges, before having those charged reversed on some piddling technicality 10 years after the fact. But I'm not surprised the left love him and pulled out all stops to reinvent his sinister past, after all they also loved Hitler and installed him as head of the National Workers Socialist Party, not to mention Stalin and Mao who starved a hundred million to death.

I do find it fitting David has a Hebrew name, named after one of the great Kings of the people of Israel.

The Taliban were funded by the Americans till the world trade centre, he went there after fighting in the former Yugoslavia with the Americans, a gun toting nut case in the wrong place at the wrong time, no terrorist though.

 

[Qsaint]

Q. Who has more criminal convictions, Andrew Bolt or David Hicks?

Well if you are talking Bolts farce on 18 c whilst unlawful is not Criminal

And

If David Hicks fought for all the islamic terrorists he admitted to doing so now he would be probably convicted as AG Brandis stated now.

So is that the answer you wanted?

 

[little graham]

If David Hicks fought for all the islamic terrorists he admitted to doing so now he would be probably convicted as AG Brandis stated now.

Isreali's have been killed in Ukraine fighting the same side Hicks was. Hicks went to fight Russians, was trained by Nato in Europe to fight Russians. Isreali's are dieing in the donbass battalion fighting under Waffen ss insignia.

Hicks is very much playing the game now.

 

[Run n Spread]

All day I've being trying to figure out whether Hicks deserves to be compensated $100s of millions for the torture and unjust imprisonment/failure of due process he suffered or be shot on the spot for treason.

While I personally think he is an absolute a-hole and have no time for him he did(at the time) actually commit no crime). Thus under the law he is innocent and his rights were infringed. And thus being a civil democratic society we can not afford to go down the path of torturing someone simply because we don't like them. Do that we are no better than a bunch of barbarians round the world. So Hicks is probably due some re recompense as distasteful as it is to some.

Having said that clear guidelines need to be established for the future and strict laws on the responsibilities of Australians enforced. So those idiots fighting for ISIS in Syria for example I think should be facing charges of High Treason on their return (Given Australia has been attacked by that element of Islamic Extremism) and they are taking arms on their behalf. If that is not the definition of treason I don't know what is.

 

[Run n Spread]

Q. Who has more criminal convictions, Andrew Bolt or David Hicks?

Bolt's were minor. Again both sh*& heads imo but on both the left and right side they have admirers for whatever reason. The law exists for a reason and the two are not comparable. At the time Hicks broke no laws and Bolt's transgressions were very minor and of an entirely different nature.

 

[Gough]

Still funny though. Worst of the worst wasn't he, who said that?

 

[Lester Burnham]

Q. Who has more criminal convictions, Andrew Bolt or David Hicks?

You have just as many.

 

[greennick]

The Taliban were funded by the Americans till the world trade centre, he went there after fighting in the former Yugoslavia with the Americans, a gun toting nut case in the wrong place at the wrong time, no terrorist though.

The US only funded the Taliban to fight against the Soviets, they weren't funding them well before 2001.

 

[greennick]

All day I've being trying to figure out whether Hicks deserves to be compensated $100s of millions for the torture and unjust imprisonment/failure of due process he suffered or be shot on the spot for treason.

While I personally think he is an absolute a-hole and have no time for him he did(at the time) actually commit no crime). Thus under the law he is innocent and his rights were infringed. And thus being a civil democratic society we can not afford to go down the path of torturing someone simply because we don't like them. Do that we are no better than a bunch of barbarians round the world. So Hicks is probably due some re recompense as distasteful as it is to some.

Having said that clear guidelines need to be established for the future and strict laws on the responsibilities of Australians enforced. So those idiots fighting for ISIS in Syria for example I think should be facing charges of High Treason on their return (Given Australia has been attacked by that element of Islamic Extremism) and they are taking arms on their behalf. If that is not the definition of treason I don't know what is.

Wouldn't he still have been classified as an enemy combatant? They break no laws, but we're still able to jail them. I just don't get what the US was thinking with the manner in which they held these people. The fact they then released many of them after treating them so s**t is just ridiculous. If they weren't terrorists before, you would think many were converted.

The real thing stopping anything is who should compensate him? Australia didn't hold him, the US did. I can't see them paying out.

 

[CountryRace]

The US only funded the Taliban to fight against the Soviets, they weren't funding them well before 2001.

http://www.4thmedia.org/2014/08/nsa...d-by-us-uk-and-israel-intelligence-apparatus/

 

[KGBeast]

Did he actually say he was there on holiday? He'll be selling bridges next.