Will Australia get hit by a major terror attack?

[apparentlydead]

You are an even bigger moron then that wc2022 weirdo.

Calling me out on what exactly?
Do you even know what I'm saying and what you are arguing with me about?

I mean, at one point you bring up George Bush and then when I reply to that you react as if I'm the one who brought it up.

In sitting here saying everyone has free will, and blaming an entire religion and over a billion followers of it is stupid.

What exactly some of you Reclaim Australia losers (not yours to reclaim) are babbling on about and why, well who the **** knows and who the **** cares anymore.

Go take your medication or go rant and rave o storm front about the big bad muslim immigrants stealing your country and how your government isn't doing anything to protect you.

Yeah, that made a lot of sense.

I'm unsure if you're up for this discussion.

 

[Spirit Level]

We're part of such a ****ed up species

A supposed "intelligent" species that has members which not only still believe their fairy tales even in this age of significant scientific advancement, but feel as though the teachings in these fairy tales gives them the right to take the life of another to satisfy their own beliefs.

What a shame it is that the only species capable of questioning it's place in the universe (that we know of) will end up being the cause of it's own extinction.

 

[little graham]

 

[Thats Wright]

We're part of such a ****ed up species

A supposed "intelligent" species that has members which not only still believe their fairy tales even in this age of significant scientific advancement, but feel as though the teachings in these fairy tales gives them the right to take the life of another to satisfy their own beliefs.

What a shame it is that the only species capable of questioning it's place in the universe (that we know of) will end up being the cause of it's own extinction.

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

Ah so they're just staying on manus island, cool, silly me thought they were getting settled in Australia, like the first family that just arrived in Perth.

Do you honestly think, that a group like IS, who rely on their followers going undetected, until the time comes for them to act out their bullshit, wouldn't be putting people amongst the refugee groups to get them into western countries?? It's gotta be one of the easiest ways possible to infiltrate countries outside the Middle East, especially these days with countries trying to outdo each other in the compassion game, possibly to the detriment of innocent civilians.

No. They'll be the most carefully vetted 12000 reffos to arrive.

NapiSan works wonders

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

There is no causal link between immigration and terrorism. Think about it for a minute. What are the refugee numbers sitting at currently worldwide? What are the numbers of terrorists?

If we want to talk about why the threat exists, we need history lessons.

You can start with France and their colonial rule over Algeria for one.
The Iran Contra affair.
The arming of Iraq.
The removal of Saddam amongst others.
The lack of support for a Palestinian State, preferencing Israel and basically backing of occupation in the West Bank, Gaza and Golan Heights.

The West, read the US, has a lot to answer for, as does France, Britain, Germany, Russia as do ourselves for backing them.

Surely you jest

 

[CLUBMEDhurst]

We're part of such a ****ed up species

A supposed "intelligent" species that has members which not only still believe their fairy tales even in this age of significant scientific advancement, but feel as though the teachings in these fairy tales gives them the right to take the life of another to satisfy their own beliefs.

What a shame it is that the only species capable of questioning it's place in the universe (that we know of) will end up being the cause of it's own extinction.

We're still ruled by the the amygdala

 

[Little Big John]

We're still ruled by the the amygdala

What did you ******* call me???

 

[ep2018]

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Racist

 

[EagleShore]

Given that the 12000 Syrian refugees are FAMILIES there is every reason to believe they are decent people. Be foolish to suggest otherwise.

HEY! DON'T get in the way of the rampant racism that floods this debate. All Muslims are terrorists in waiting, you know. Just like all the Catholics who are paedophiles in waiting

 

[EagleShore]

So why exactly did we hand undemocratic powers to the security service?

http://www.theguardian.com/australi...-warnings-about-man-haron-monis-inquest-hears



http://www.theguardian.com/australi...-warnings-about-man-haron-monis-inquest-hears

He was due to be on trial for a violent crime, had history of violence and sexual abuse, had declared radical politics and then even contacted the AG directly about speaking to IS, on top of the security services being told he was a threat.

The whole thing is rotten, and suggests either a near criminal degree of incompetence or something sinister, given leaving him to his own craziness, allowed the gov to push through horrid security state laws.

Correct. Makes one wonder who exactly is pushing an agenda.

 

[FPPF]

So why exactly did we hand undemocratic powers to the security service?

http://www.theguardian.com/australi...-warnings-about-man-haron-monis-inquest-hears



http://www.theguardian.com/australi...-warnings-about-man-haron-monis-inquest-hears

He was due to be on trial for a violent crime, had history of violence and sexual abuse, had declared radical politics and then even contacted the AG directly about speaking to IS, on top of the security services being told he was a threat.

The whole thing is rotten, and suggests either a near criminal degree of incompetence or something sinister, given leaving him to his own craziness, allowed the gov to push through horrid security state laws.

Which powers are undemocratic?

So the government let him be in the hope that he would get crazy enough to do something so they can pass their undemocratic laws?
What if he didn't end up doing something, what would they have done then to pass their new laws?

Question should be asked though, when the threat of terrorism subsides, will the laws be revoked or what? Probably not.

 

[Thats Wright]

Racist

What a strange world.

Tyranny and murder can be deemed as more acceptable than having weak minded people throw around a word of the dictionary hoping it oppresses free and warranted thought.
As far as the rights of women, stoning, oppression etc, personally think that's enough reason itself to put boots on the ground and teach this branch of humanity morals and ethics.

The children and women of Islam should be protected from their vile scripture.

The rampaging racist murderers should be tolerated though. The sooner the attacks become big enough for necessary action against a cancerous, primitive hit squad of barbaric humans the longer it will take for Islamic takeover.

The women and children of Islam are human and deserve a few people to at least talk about their sad existences.

 

[Jiska]

There are certain people who feel the need to derail every thread in here and turn it in to a discussion on religion. It's extremely tiresome and counter productive to robust discussion on various topics when those topics are continuously hijacked and altered.

This thread is about the possibility of a terrorist attack in Australia (refer to the thread topic if you get confused).

Martin Bryant claimed he massacred people because God told him to do so. That didn't make it the fault of Christianity. Ditto with the Klu Klux Klan and the IRA. Lunatics will use any means to justify their cause. I have enough respect for posters on this board to know that they already know this. Accordingly, I find it hard to believe that people have enough respect for these lunatics as to justify what comes out of their mouths.

Here is the religion thread : http://www.bigfooty.com/forum/threads/the-god-question.885882/ - please take your religion discussions there, or start a new thread if you feel it's relevant.

Stay on topic.

 

[little graham]

So why exactly did we hand undemocratic powers to the security service?

After the staged nine eleven attacks, South Australia introduced new anti terror legislation. This included abilities to break up groups meeting, searching for drugs ect. In 2013 this legislation was enacted by police to harass anti uranium mining protesters. Mostly a bunch of Victorian uni students.

 

[Thats Wright]

There is never enough noise from Muslim leaders- how do you know this? Do tell.

As is often the case, more powers aren't the answer. The systems in place are grossly inefficient and the competence of those implementing them is often questionable.

The big mufta has come out with some pearlers this week.

Google it.

Wonder what will actually happen when there is a big attack here.

There's a crowd of people here living on borrowed time. There has to be a point where deluded media personalities put aside their allegiances ie Eddie McGuire and speak up about it.

With the grubs being suicidal cowards some sort of attack here is inevitable.

Who would've thought Islam would help lead to a welcoming of Big Brother with Bolt, Abbott being right on an issue.

At least the terrorists are relatively unorganised in Australia for now and cannabilism isn't part of it.

There's a bit of hope.

 

[Play by Numbers]

So, it's right wing terrorists we should be worrying about?

http://www.theguardian.com/world/20...essing-weapons-bomb-making-manual?CMP=soc_567

Bomb making manual, weapons and precursors

 

[Sydney Bloods]

That's pissweak.

We need local and overseas agents with a licence to kill. FFS, we're up against the FSB and Chinese, not just IS.

that only happens in james bond. you don't use intel agents to whack people and neither do the FSB, chinese or most other intel agencies.
killing people tends to raise eyebrows. if the government decided to engage in extraradical killings they do the same thing most other countries do.
You have a kill team take them out, this is a group who specialises in these kinds of operations. Whilst some countries have such teams working under the umbrella of the intelligence service in our case such a mission it would fall to an SAS team. (not that the government would admit it)

the problem with the way ASIS functions is that the intel is simply collected and passed on, this slows down processes, it can remove vital information which can't enter a report for legal reasons. it sterilizes the information and packages it. it becomes more important to protect the agency as someone else is going to make a decision on how to proceed. logic would dictate that is ASIS is collecting the information ASIS should be the ones advising the government on how to proceed.

look into the government report post iraq, ASIS had information saying saddam had disposed of all of his WMD's. why didn't this get acted on? ONA only wanted confirmed intel so it could advise the government how to proceed. now with got two agencies who were removed from responsibility for a major intelligence * up.

ASIS didn't report the intel because they weren't asked to report it.
ONA only advised the government based on what information they received.
and ASIO used british and american intel because at the time they weren't permitted access to ASIS intel because the doctrine at the time was to keep our foreign intelligence agency separate from our domestic agency.

its one * up after another and we're only making it more complicated and bureaucratic.

 

[Thats Wright]

2016 - 12000 Syrians enter.

2017- Isis coward attacks increase.

2018- Syria gets repercussions.

2020- Syrian Muslim in Australia grows to age he can access weapons and begin to understand his potential afterlife and Syrian oppression from the West.

2025- Australian Media shows Pauline Hansen on the Tv.

Not sure what's worse. The fact only 2 unpopular politicians in Australia are the only ones that can mention Islam or that this modern refugee intake guarantees extremism.

 

[WA ROO]

The big mufta has come out with some pearlers this week.

Google it.

At least this one equates western women to human food this time
Last one thought western women were only fit for animal consumption

If any other religious,political or business leader in the country had have said this,there would be a huge thread on this board with the clique melting their keyboards trying to out do each other with how offended they are

 

[Play by Numbers]

Jiska I get what you were saying, but I don't think my post had any anti religious/off topic views.

It rejected and described similarity between the kind of aggressively intolerant and conservative mindset of the rise up upf types and the jihadis. Both have different ideological views, yet share very similar attitudes.

 

[apparentlydead]

Jiska I get what you were saying, but I don't think my post had any anti religious/off topic views.

It rejected and described similarity between the kind of aggressively intolerant and conservative mindset of the rise up upf types and the jihadis. Both have different ideological views, yet share very similar attitudes.

Yep.

Trying to steer this conversation away from the totally obvious mindsets of both sides which are driven as an ideological core by religion is really poor modding.

This is a natural progression of the discussion.

 

[Play by Numbers]

Also violence and calls for bloodshed are moraly gross.

If one of these loons bombs a mosque or shoots a refugee, surely this is an act of terror and given this is not the first arrest associated with the anti refugee brigade and the warning from the feds over right wing extremism re nsw, if there is going to be terrorist violence, both groups of extremists are a danger

 

[Play by Numbers]

Yep.

Trying to steer this conversation away from the totally obvious mindsets of both sides which are driven as an ideological core by religion is really poor modding.

This is a natural progression of the discussion.

I think it even goes past that. I think some people are almost hardwired for violence and intolerant views.

Salafism is hyper conservative. As is the agenda of the UP

I suspect the cause is nurture, but really the anti immigrant right wing types have a long history of violence and terrorist activity in the west and are very similar, in how they view other humans to the despicable jihadi types

 

[Thats Wright]

Also violence and calls for bloodshed are moraly gross.

If one of these loons bombs a mosque or shoots a refugee, surely this is an act of terror and given this is not the first arrest associated with the anti refugee brigade and the warning from the feds over right wing extremism re nsw, if there is going to be terrorist violence, both groups of extremists are a danger

You must be smoking some mad stuff.

The safest people in Australia at the moment are all Muslim.