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Hi, I was just reviewing a bit of AFL history and noticed that in 1982 Collingwood only won four games after making the Grand Final in 1981. Was there any particular reason for this or was it just a massive form slump?
 
Raskolnikov said:
Hi, I was just reviewing a bit of AFL history and noticed that in 1982 Collingwood only won four games after making the Grand Final in 1981. Was there any particular reason for this or was it just a massive form slump?
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similar to 04, we made the GF in 80 and 81 and were smashed in both, Richmond getting a record margin against us in 80.

So basically it was massive drop in confidence after twice being shown up on the last day in september
 
Optimax said:
similar to 04, we made the GF in 80 and 81 and were smashed in both, Richmond getting a record margin against us in 80.

So basically it was massive drop in confidence after twice being shown up on the last day in september
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Cheers. Essendon crashed to 10th in 1994 after winning the flag in 1993 but still managed 11 wins. It's amazing that a team could fade that badly with what I would imagine was a pretty similar team.
 

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From memory Tom Hafey was sacked halfway through the season on "advice" from the Captain Peter Moore who then left and went to Melbourne anyway. A caretaker coach was installed and his name is on the tip of my tounge ..... Mick Erwin thats him. Anyway in 83 Jack Cahill came over to the real Magpies from Port and coached us into 3rd spot and Essendon beat us by a then record margin in a Prelim.
 
Raskolnikov said:
Cheers. Essendon crashed to 10th in 1994 after winning the flag in 1993 but still managed 11 wins. It's amazing that a team could fade that badly with what I would imagine was a pretty similar team.
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you had a very youngish side, actually a very young side.

we had a side that just had all confidence taken away from them.

We had a drop in 91 as well we had arguably the best list but we only finsihed 11th or 12th that year too
 
thatday said:
Lol, we were that bad and still didn't win the spoon? Sucks to be whoever did....:p
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You actually only finished third last. Footscray only won three games and St.Kilda also won four but with a lesser percentage. Collingwood's percentage was 85. Pretty high for a team that won 4 and lost 18. Must have had quite a few narrow losses or a few big wins.
 
Optimax said:
similar to 04, we made the GF in 80 and 81 and were smashed in both, Richmond getting a record margin against us in 80.

So basically it was massive drop in confidence after twice being shown up on the last day in september
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In 2004 list depth had a lot more to do with it than shattered confidence. We had so many players yet to debut that weren't good enough and even if they were they weren't developed correctly with the right amount of senior footy anyway.
 
Jabso said:
In 2004 list depth had a lot more to do with it than shattered confidence. We had so many players yet to debut that weren't good enough and even if they were they weren't developed correctly with the right amount of senior footy anyway.
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yeah true after the best even 18 our list went to the shit. Walker, Hall, Morrison, Rowe, Shackelton, Iacobucci and king were never ever going to be up to it.

Well maybe rowe but he went done hill very fast after a good debut
 
Raskolnikov said:
Hi, I was just reviewing a bit of AFL history and noticed that in 1982 Collingwood only won four games after making the Grand Final in 1981. Was there any particular reason for this or was it just a massive form slump?
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The trouble started at the 1981 Grand Final night club function. Tom Hafey was scathing of certain players for letting the club down, principally Peter Moore. Peter Moore pulled a hamstring in one the finals and hence was played at full forward, where he had no impact what so ever in the Grand Final, and was badly beaten by a very ordinary player called Scott Howell.

As captain of the club, Hafey felt Moore had not shown the required leadership. Certain players were also complaining openely about Hafey's fitness demands with constant whingeing about how hard training was during the finals. Interestingly, Richmond players who won 4 premierships under Hafey from 1967-1974 did not share the same criticisms.

Peter Moore subsequently began lobbying players to join him in a delegation to go to the club to demand that Hafey be sacked. Most players sided with Moore, most notably except for Billy Picken, a CHB who was our best player in almost every final we played during the Hafey regime.

The following year, the issue came to a head when Hafey fronted Peter Moore at his Eltham home and a punch up was only narrowly avoided between coach and captain. An uneasy truce was negotiated, but before halfway through the season, Hafey's position had become untenable, particularly when his assistant coach, Mick Erwin, also began undermining his authority by lobbying for the senior job. Hafey was soon sacked, but the instability had divided the playing group and led to a wasted year. During this period, Peter Moore, our captain and Brownlow Medallist been negotiating with Melbourne and duly ended up a Demon the very next year.

Incensed by the poaching of our captain, we responded by offering an enormous sum of money to a Melbourne ruckman by the name of Glem McLean. To sum up McLean's ability, I would venture that he was a poor man's Guy Richards.

I was at the 1981 GF, and before the end of 1982 had developed a serious dislike of Peter Moore. I was also at the 1990 GF and whilst joyfully winding my way out of the Great Northern Stand to the theme song of 'Good Old Collingwood Forever', I was forcefull tapped on the shoulder by a guy who inquired "Hey Mate, would you help me carry my paraplegic brother down the stairs?" "Of Course", I replied. Having watched the Pies win the big one, I would have been prepared to climb mountains of broken glass had he so asked.

Consequently, I helped Peter Moore carry his brother down to the bottom of the old Great Northern Stand. Between the huffing and puffing(mostly all mine) I found Peter to be lovely bloke and as pleased as I was that the Pies had finally won a flag. He even took my loaded statement 'this side's got real character!' in good humour.

Sorry to bore readers with further self absorbed moments but 3 am the next morning, there were about 5 of us left in the bar in the Collingwood Social Club when Darren Millane appeared from nowhere,his broken hand bandaged to the hilt whilst the other hand held the Premiership Cup. He jumped up onto the bar and led the 5 of us into a rousing version of Good Old Collingwood For Ever. Fond memories......ah!!!!!!!!!
 
Thanks for the detailed background Kevind. I was living in Melbourne back then and didn't miss a match in 82 (except for the last one against the Cats at Kardinia Park; I figured we had no chance and listened to the broadcast on 3GL, and we duly won our 4th match of the season).

I can recall that the club sacked Hafey the week before we were to play Footscray (who were equally as crap as us), so that Mick Erwin could notch a 1st up victory as coach.

Tough times, but you gotta stick with em.
 
kevind said:
The trouble started at the 1981 Grand Final night club function. Tom Hafey was scathing of certain players for letting the club down, principally Peter Moore. Peter Moore pulled a hamstring in one the finals and hence was played at full forward, where he had no impact what so ever in the Grand Final, and was badly beaten by a very ordinary player called Scott Howell.

As captain of the club, Hafey felt Moore had not shown the required leadership. Certain players were also complaining openely about Hafey's fitness demands with constant whingeing about how hard training was during the finals. Interestingly, Richmond players who won 4 premierships under Hafey from 1967-1974 did not share the same criticisms.

Peter Moore subsequently began lobbying players to join him in a delegation to go to the club to demand that Hafey be sacked. Most players sided with Moore, most notably except for Billy Picken, a CHB who was our best player in almost every final we played during the Hafey regime.

The following year, the issue came to a head when Hafey fronted Peter Moore at his Eltham home and a punch up was only narrowly avoided between coach and captain. An uneasy truce was negotiated, but before halfway through the season, Hafey's position had become untenable, particularly when his assistant coach, Mick Erwin, also began undermining his authority by lobbying for the senior job. Hafey was soon sacked, but the instability had divided the playing group and led to a wasted year. During this period, Peter Moore, our captain and Brownlow Medallist been negotiating with Melbourne and duly ended up a Demon the very next year.

Incensed by the poaching of our captain, we responded by offering an enormous sum of money to a Melbourne ruckman by the name of Glem McLean. To sum up McLean's ability, I would venture that he was a poor man's Guy Richards.

I was at the 1981 GF, and before the end of 1982 had developed a serious dislike of Peter Moore. I was also at the 1990 GF and whilst joyfully winding my way out of the Great Northern Stand to the theme song of 'Good Old Collingwood Forever', I was forcefull tapped on the shoulder by a guy who inquired "Hey Mate, would you help me carry my paraplegic brother down the stairs?" "Of Course", I replied. Having watched the Pies win the big one, I would have been prepared to climb mountains of broken glass had he so asked.

Consequently, I helped Peter Moore carry his brother down to the bottom of the old Great Northern Stand. Between the huffing and puffing(mostly all mine) I found Peter to be lovely bloke and as pleased as I was that the Pies had finally won a flag. He even took my loaded statement 'this side's got real character!' in good humour.

Sorry to bore readers with further self absorbed moments but 3 am the next morning, there were about 5 of us left in the bar in the Collingwood Social Club when Darren Millane appeared from nowhere,his broken hand bandaged to the hilt whilst the other hand held the Premiership Cup. He jumped up onto the bar and led the 5 of us into a rousing version of Good Old Collingwood For Ever. Fond memories......ah!!!!!!!!!
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Great anecdote kevind.

82 was a diabolical year after not finishing lower than 3rd every year since 1977... in fact it probably took several years for the club to get over it.

Board upheaval, the resultant spending spree and the argy bargy with Richmond didn't help.
 

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Salty Malty said:
Thanks for the detailed background Kevind. I was living in Melbourne back then and didn't miss a match in 82 (except for the last one against the Cats at Kardinia Park; I figured we had no chance and listened to the broadcast on 3GL, and we duly won our 4th match of the season).

I can recall that the club sacked Hafey the week before we were to play Footscray (who were equally as crap as us), so that Mick Erwin could notch a 1st up victory as coach.

Tough times, but you gotta stick with em.
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Good to hear from you Salty, and yes you are dead right, you gotta stick with them. It constantly amazes me how we seem to constanly miss out on ultimate success yet manage to get ordinary sides to almost pull off miracle victories. There have only been 2 occassions IMO in the last 60 years when we have been the better side going into in a Grand Final(ie. before the game is played). 1970, the horror story that has haunted us for almost 40 years, and 1990 when we beat the Bombers by a combined total of 18 goals in the finals.

In 1979, 1980 and to a lesser extent 1981, we were substantially inferior with regards to ability. In many ways 1979 and 2002 were very similar-ordinary sides that almost pulled off the near impossible.

It s Anzac day on Friday and here we are celebrating with the Bombers one of the greatest days on the football calender. The other 14 clubs must be dreadfully jealous.

PS Chris Judd-hope you watch the game and cringe with envy!!!
 
Optimax said:
you had a very youngish side, actually a very young side.

we had a side that just had all confidence taken away from them.

We had a drop in 91 as well we had arguably the best list but we only finsihed 11th or 12th that year too
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Optimax, I don't know if you were around the club in 91, but without going into details, lets just say the partying from the 90 premiership went on for a little too long. Players and supporters alike.

At the end of 91, Darren Millane was tragically killed and in many ways he was the glue that held the players together. If Leigh Mathews wanted to know anything about the playing group he would confide in Millane.
 
kevind said:
Optimax, I don't know if you were around the club in 91, but without going into details, lets just say the partying from the 90 premiership went on for a little too long. Players and supporters alike.

At the end of 91, Darren Millane was tragically killed and in many ways he was the glue that held the players together. If Leigh Mathews wanted to know anything about the playing group he would confide in Millane.
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There was a bit too much partying going on before the GF too from what I hear. Some star players from that year spent time out of the game with 'mystery' illnesses in the years before '90. But what the hell, all part of the rich tapestry and all that.
 
kevind said:
Optimax, I don't know if you were around the club in 91, but without going into details, lets just say the partying from the 90 premiership went on for a little too long. Players and supporters alike.

At the end of 91, Darren Millane was tragically killed and in many ways he was the glue that held the players together. If Leigh Mathews wanted to know anything about the playing group he would confide in Millane.
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I was four, but form the stories ive been told it seems we didnt stop partying into well into 91 and then with the tragic death of milane it set us back for years after
 
kevind said:
The trouble started at the 1981 Grand Final night club function. Tom Hafey was scathing of certain players for letting the club down, principally Peter Moore. Peter Moore pulled a hamstring in one the finals and hence was played at full forward, where he had no impact what so ever in the Grand Final, and was badly beaten by a very ordinary player called Scott Howell.

As captain of the club, Hafey felt Moore had not shown the required leadership. Certain players were also complaining openely about Hafey's fitness demands with constant whingeing about how hard training was during the finals. Interestingly, Richmond players who won 4 premierships under Hafey from 1967-1974 did not share the same criticisms.

Peter Moore subsequently began lobbying players to join him in a delegation to go to the club to demand that Hafey be sacked. Most players sided with Moore, most notably except for Billy Picken, a CHB who was our best player in almost every final we played during the Hafey regime.

The following year, the issue came to a head when Hafey fronted Peter Moore at his Eltham home and a punch up was only narrowly avoided between coach and captain. An uneasy truce was negotiated, but before halfway through the season, Hafey's position had become untenable, particularly when his assistant coach, Mick Erwin, also began undermining his authority by lobbying for the senior job. Hafey was soon sacked, but the instability had divided the playing group and led to a wasted year. During this period, Peter Moore, our captain and Brownlow Medallist been negotiating with Melbourne and duly ended up a Demon the very next year.

Incensed by the poaching of our captain, we responded by offering an enormous sum of money to a Melbourne ruckman by the name of Glem McLean. To sum up McLean's ability, I would venture that he was a poor man's Guy Richards.

I was at the 1981 GF, and before the end of 1982 had developed a serious dislike of Peter Moore. I was also at the 1990 GF and whilst joyfully winding my way out of the Great Northern Stand to the theme song of 'Good Old Collingwood Forever', I was forcefull tapped on the shoulder by a guy who inquired "Hey Mate, would you help me carry my paraplegic brother down the stairs?" "Of Course", I replied. Having watched the Pies win the big one, I would have been prepared to climb mountains of broken glass had he so asked.

Consequently, I helped Peter Moore carry his brother down to the bottom of the old Great Northern Stand. Between the huffing and puffing(mostly all mine) I found Peter to be lovely bloke and as pleased as I was that the Pies had finally won a flag. He even took my loaded statement 'this side's got real character!' in good humour.

Sorry to bore readers with further self absorbed moments but 3 am the next morning, there were about 5 of us left in the bar in the Collingwood Social Club when Darren Millane appeared from nowhere,his broken hand bandaged to the hilt whilst the other hand held the Premiership Cup. He jumped up onto the bar and led the 5 of us into a rousing version of Good Old Collingwood For Ever. Fond memories......ah!!!!!!!!!
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That is a great post... all sounds like avery similar plot to The Club, when was that written? I'm sure your memory is as blurred as mine on the morning after the GF 1990, but I find it hard to believe there were only 5 people in the social club bar at 3am!
 
kevind said:
Sorry to bore readers with further self absorbed moments but 3 am the next morning, there were about 5 of us left in the bar in the Collingwood Social Club when Darren Millane appeared from nowhere,his broken hand bandaged to the hilt whilst the other hand held the Premiership Cup. He jumped up onto the bar and led the 5 of us into a rousing version of Good Old Collingwood For Ever. Fond memories......ah!!!!!!!!!
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Magical. :thumbsu:
 

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Gymnorhina tibic said:
That is a great post... all sounds like avery similar plot to The Club, when was that written? I'm sure your memory is as blurred as mine on the morning after the GF 1990, but I find it hard to believe there were only 5 people in the social club bar at 3am!
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You could be right, I had quite a few drinks that night to say the least. If I remember correctly, the bar downstairs was closed at about 1am, whereas the top two floors and down stairs dining area of the social club were still rocking on. Anyway a group of us(7 now that I've had to actually count them from memory) who were Social Club members knew a couple of guys who worked as bar staff/bouncers and they let us stay on in the bar after kicking out all the other revelers. We even got a few free drinks(I hope Eddie doesn't read this, he'll probably send us the bill).
 
Murray Browne was number 14! Stan Magro, Graeme Teasdale, Tony Shaw, Mark (chocko) Williams, Greg Phillips, Greg Fiffe (spelling is wrong!), Bill Picken, Ricky Barham, Craig Davis, Daics, Banksie, Peter Moore, Wearmouth, Kink, Geoff Raines (maybe too early!) Mark Hannebury (his dad was my doctor!), Clokie...

Vic Park was home. It still is.

I was seven! Ill remember more shortly
 

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