Drafting Record '95-'03

[Rayzorwire]

While I've been doing a little refresher research writing a post about the Wallace years which I'll put up in the next few days, I was reminded of the following...

[FONT=&quot]This is the Richmond first selection drafting record Wallace inherited, going back to 1995 - the players drafted then would be around 31 now and have played the latter part of their career during the Wallace era.

I've included the players we missed out on in brackets (just national draft selections):

1995 34 Brad Smith (Milburn, Brent Harvey, Bradshaw)

1996 16 Pat Steinfort (Notting, Jason Johnson, Hay, Braun, Mooney, Robertson)

1997 2 Brad Ottens (Cornes, Black, Goodes)

1998 40 James White (Scotland, Embley)

1999 3 Aaron Fiora (Pavlich, Glass, Murphy, Guerra, Hunter, Chapman, Giansiracusa, Davis, Ling, Hille, Gilbee, Enright, O'Keefe, Bruce, Hargrave)

2000 9 Kayne Pettifer (Shaun Burgoyne, Kerr, Kornes, Charman, Cross)

2001 33 David Rodan (Mitchell, Montagna, Waite, Brad Miller)

2002 12 Jay Schulz (Gilham, Merrett, Watson, Adam Selwood)

2003 21 Alex Gilmour (Adcock, Peake, Fisher, Heath Shaw)

[/FONT][FONT=&quot]Like to add just a handful of them to our list?
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Wallace's chances of pulling off a fast rebuild successfully suffered heavily because of the above drafting record.

In contrast, the next coach will inherit the first selections of [/FONT][FONT=&quot]Deledio (and Tambling at #4), JON, Reiwoldt, Cotchin and Vickery, [/FONT]reaping the benefits Wallace's 5yr policy to never trade a first selection.

 

[coke_zero]

yes he didnt have alot to work with. but by his 5th year we should be in the hunt for finals. he will leave an allright list for the next coach. but we need to draft well. and we need to try these players not let them play in the 3rds.

 

[Rayzorwire]

...by his 5th year we should be in the hunt for finals...

You admit he inherited 4/5ths of **** all...but we should be playing finals?

Reiwoldt's in just his 3rd season, Cotchin's in his 2nd, Vickery is in his 1st.

We'll only be able to evaluate the '04-'08 drafting a few years from now - even Deledio's nowhere near his prime playing age. It's no coincidence blokes like Foley, Jackson, Moore, White and McGuane suddenly got way better in recent years - they were physically and mentally mature enough to do so...it takes time.

We all hoped we'd play finals this year, but we needed a lot to go right in terms of player form, fitness and availability to achieve that aim.

 

[coke_zero]

before the year most would have thought we would have made the finals. we have a list good enough to make the finals but we could not get our best 22 right and we have paid for that.

 

[mitch richmond]

Good effort Rayzor. I understand you're point that he wasn't given the best players b4 his arrival but drafting is always a lottery and I hate it when the papers pluck us out as the only ones who failed in this area. (That Monday night show with Quarters and Walls had a crack at us the other day)

Here are some first round stuff ups-
95 - Fewster, Bamford, Krummel, Healy, Ben Edwards(?whoever he is), Jakovich (to Footscray), Donald Cockatoo Collins, Gowling, Rowe, Trew, Doc Whelidon (to Ess)
96 - Rory Hilton, Mark Kinnear, McAlister, Rombotis, Brockman, Harwood, B.Grgic, Gilligan
97 - Mark Bolton, Tarrant, Crabb, Chambers, McKay, Ben Walton
98 - Ryan Fitzgerald, Michael Stevens, Murray Vance, Brandon Hill, Chris Lamb
99 - Danny Roach, Caydn Beetham, Koulouriotis, Travis Gaspar, David Haynes
00 - Livingston, McDougall, Dylan Smith, Angwin,
01 - Luke Molan, Richard Cole, Ashley Watson, Barry Brooks
02 - Tim Walsh, Brennan,
03 - Kepler Bradley, Tenace, Trotter, Fergus Watts, Willoughby
NOW THATS A LIST!!!!!

 

[JimmyRecard]

great post... doesnt do much for the morale tho... look at the 99 draft, so much talent and we picked fiora

 

[beaver fever]

Hehe the Wallace apologist strikes again. While there is a lot of truth in the OP, the underlying theme of your post is garbage.

 

[mitch richmond]

Agree Fiora was a waste of time but it's funny how it works - Ross Lyon picked him up! (I know he's been delisted but love to see an article in the Kent Kingsley mould by the Herald Sun on how Lyon came to make such a stupid decision. Or hang on, they're winning, lets ignore it). Wonder if StK don't win the flag this year whether the Steven King/Michael Gardiner decisions will continue to get praise!

 

[Dennis]

Boys, the coach has almost no say in the early draft selections at any club. Reason....how the hell would they know if a kid is good or not. They leave that to the recruiting team

It's not Wa$$ets fault that he was given spuds. It is his fault that Tambling still gets a game

 

[Spluff]

Boys, the coach has almost no say in the early draft selections at any club. Reason....how the hell would they know if a kid is good or not. They leave that to the recruiting team

Not true. The best prospects are studied and followed by the recruiting staff and then they are presented to more important members of the club with the pros and cons.

 

[Dennis]

Not true. The best prospects are studied and followed by the recruiting staff and then they are presented to more important members of the club with the pros and cons.

Correct...and then those being presented to say thank you, but which one would you choose as I havent seen the kids play.

 

[1980GFVideo]

Agree Fiora was a waste of time but it's funny how it works - Ross Lyon picked him up! (I know he's been delisted but love to see an article in the Kent Kingsley mould by the Herald Sun on how Lyon came to make such a stupid decision. Or hang on, they're winning, lets ignore it). Wonder if StK don't win the flag this year whether the Steven King/Michael Gardiner decisions will continue to get praise!

Grant Thomas picked him up.

They had no choice as they were losing Black to Fremantle and they had to get some compensation via the three way deal involving Simmonds to us.

They didnt give up a high draft pick. Thomas never really took to him.

 

[Deledio2Conca]

I know what you're getting at Rayzorwire, but I can't stand it when these facts get brought up (Who we should have taken etc).

Yes, some of the decisions were very poor, but almost every team every year would have rathered to pick up a better player when they get the value of hinsight.

 

[Spluff]

Correct...and then those being presented to say thank you, but which one would you choose as I havent seen the kids play.

If they were to say that, they are awful coaches. It is the coaches job to build a list that suits their gameplan best - a team like essendon would pick completely different to a team like sydney, all down to the gameplan.

 

[folester41]

we are exactly where i expected us to be. we have always had a big gap between the age groups of players.

we are finally starting to put together a list that will be capable, but that still wont be for a few years yet.

its a shame wallace wanted mcmahon, thomson and hislop, if we had of taken young players with those picks, wallace would have done a pretty good job of turning our list around.

 

[Shorty86]

1999 & 2000 - Draft Pick #3 & 9 hurts

 

[mitch richmond]

Grant Thomas picked him up.

They had no choice as they were losing Black to Fremantle and they had to get some compensation via the three way deal involving Simmonds to us.

They didnt give up a high draft pick. Thomas never really took to him.

Valid point. Ross Lyon played him for 22 games in '07 and 10 in '08 though so he must've rated him.

On another note - St Kilda did exactly what we did in '08 that year - 11 wins, 10 losses and a draw to finish 9th - Last year they won a game and a half more than us to get the double chance. Just thought I'd put that out there!!!!

 

[getthefooty]

In contrast, the next coach will inherit the first selections of ... JON... reaping the benefits

Excuse me?

 

[coke_zero]

Excuse me?

you still rating him on his last afl game. he can play, he is a strong mark, learned how to bounce the ball, can run, is a team player, decent kicking skills. but he either gives it off straight away to the wrong option or waits to long and the right option is gone. a strong leading FF and CHF will fix that with both leading into opposite pockets.

 

[beaver fever]

you still rating him on his last afl game. he can play, he is a strong mark, learned how to bounce the ball, can run, is a team player, decent kicking skills. but he either gives it off straight away to the wrong option or waits to long and the right option is gone. a strong leading FF and CHF will fix that with both leading into opposite pockets.

My my my...

 

[_RT_]

Wouldn't have mattered who we picked Rayzor, without the proper off field support in place i.e development coaches, they would have just ended up like the ones we did pick up, miserable failures.

 

[Barnzy]

What's sad is after all those mistakes we still haven't got the basics down pat for the draft. We either -

A) Take too little kids
B) Trade for older duds
C) Don't recruit enough list needs
D) All of above

 

[Tigersman]

The real worry is that very few kids that come to Richmond live up to expectations.

If we had of drafted someone like O'keefe or Chapman instead of Fiora we would probably be complaining about how Chapman didnt come on while Fiora has killed them at Geelong.

Deledio would be slaying them at if at Hawthorn right now.

The problems are far deeper than just a few wrong calls on draft day.

 

[Barnzy]

The real worry is that very few kids that come to Richmond live up to expectations.

If we had of drafted someone like O'keefe or Chapman instead of Fiora we would probably be complaining about how Chapman didnt come on while Fiora has killed them at Geelong.

Deledio would be slaying them at if at Hawthorn right now.

The problems are far deeper than just a few wrong calls on draft day.

They integrate with each other but to it's not the sole factor. Fiora went to St Kilda and was the same dud he was at Richmond. It's a mixture of bad drafting and development, but mainly drafting. Let me put it this way, do you think spuds like Schulz, JON, Pettifer, etc would be superstars at other clubs? Meyer can't crack a game at Port, Rodan in an and out of the team. Maybe 1 in 10 would become better at different clubs but not the majority. We seriously need to look at the problems with our recruiting over the last 10 years and rectify it fast.

 

[Wallaby]

Players rarely kick on at a second club after being kicked out of their first club because they are at the end of their development.

As many have pointed out, the real question is why so many promising kids at Richmond don't develop (and yes, it's not just us - I reckon we have a worse record than most).

Our whole player development structure needs working.