Umpiring - Essendon vs Melbourne

[oooze]

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All being said, Essendons first 3 goals were from 'iffy' free kicks. It ruined the rest of the game. If Lloyd got the free kick for Frawley grappling him in the first quarter then Frawley should have had about 5 free kicks from Lloyd grappling him but simply because he isnt a forward they let it go. The non-calls on Frawley cost us about another 3 goals. Bloody disgrace. Melbourne will put in an official complaint no doubt.

Not to mention the in the back decisions against Morton and Watts. If they pay those, then they have to pay any legal contact.

 

[SydneyBomber]

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yep, absolutely terrible all round.

essendon got some pretty soft ones in the first quarter (cringeworthy), but it seemed as if they tried to even up in the remaining quarters.

why can't they just let the game flow?

mclaren....

ps. jurrah was great to watch - good luck to the kid, although he might want to do something about that shocking hairdo haha.

 

[Effes]

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I was at the game but understand the radio media were commenting regarding the poor display by the umpires but Channel 7 just tend to agree with almost every decision.

It's as though the TV commentary are instructed not to bag the umpires...

 

[skzm]

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There's no side that milks them better than Essendon too...

Dont need to milk 'em if you're Judd...

 

[Hawkamania!]

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Another shocking display by the umpires. Too many soft frees ruined the viewing experience for me. If it wasn't for Jurrah's debut, I would have turned off the TV at quarter time.

 

[Effes]

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It all starts with Angus Monfries though...the umpires and his opponents need to wake up to the tactics he uses to milk free kicks.

Watch him when on the lead - he will get a bit of contact and drop his knees to the ground, then look at the umpire as though he's been shot.

Enormous differential between frees for and against. You would think coaches and umpires would be awake to him.

CLassic one in the last quarter when the ball bounced to Monfries on the lead. Rivers went to tackle and Monfries just fell forward and got the free. Delivered inside 50 and Essendon got a goal. If the umpires knew he was diving forward whenever he got contact and Rivers knew to barely touch him then Essendon would be less likely to get it inside 50.

 

[Smyth94]

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It was embarassing, I would've been tearing my hair out if I were a Dee's supporter!

 

[Smyth94]

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It all starts with Angus Monfries though...the umpires and his opponents need to wake up to the tactics he uses to milk free kicks.

Watch him when on the lead - he will get a bit of contact and drop his knees to the ground, then look at the umpire as though he's been shot.

Enormous differential between frees for and against. You would think coaches and umpires would be awake to him.

CLassic one in the last quarter when the ball bounced to Monfries on the lead. Rivers went to tackle and Monfries just fell forward and got the free. Delivered inside 50 and Essendon got a goal. If the umpires knew he was diving forward whenever he got contact and Rivers knew to barely touch him then Essendon would be less likely to get it inside 50.

Yeah Monfries would have to be one of the worst in the AFL at dropping his knees.

 

[DarthTed]

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But this has to be the worst display of umpiring I have ever seen. 27 - 12 was it? Biggest differnce I can remember?

I didn't see the game so I don't know how bad the umpires were other than what I've read here and by all accounts they were terrible. But what does the free kick count have to do with anything? There is no reason the free kicks should be even or anything close to it.

 

[SM]

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One I remember was the 50 when the Melbourne bloke tackled the Bombers guy who had marked, and stumbled forward about to go off running, and he got tackled. The comment was he'd marked, and the Melbourne bloke - Johnson I think - tackled him. I just watched it with an open mouth because it was so incredibly obvious the Essendon player had played on.

A few in the backs were horrendous as well, and the only reason I kept it on is because I was having footy withdrawal, and Jurrah was so exciting to watch.

 

[Effes]

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I didn't see the game so I don't know how bad the umpires were other than what I've read here and by all accounts they were terrible. But what does the free kick count have to do with anything? There is no reason the free kicks should be even or anything close to it.

I'm amazed at the people that continue to refer to the free kick count as evidence of good/bad umpiring.

Graham Bond covers the tribunal and knows the rules pretty well yet refers to the free kick count on the 3AW coverage all the time.

You'd think someone like him would be the last person to refer to the free kick count.

You have to question the intelligence of people who refer to the free kick count.

In some instances the free kick count could be even yet it could have been one of the worst umpiring displays of all time.

The imbeciles are meant to pay the free kicks that are there...if this means the free kick count is 30-10 then so be it.

Are the imbeciles meant to pluck free kicks out of thin air so the nuff nuffs can be satisfied that the count is remotely even?

 

[harmesy 37]

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Yep, poorest game umpired of the year so far this year. We got some cheap ones too as someone mentioned in the Robbo one, but the overall umpiring of the game was terrible.

So you are saying you missed the Carlton vs Essendon game from round 3 then?
You must have missed it.

I am dreading next week. If there isn't at least two 50 metre penalties paid to Essendon, at least 3 goals from free kicks and countless numbers to Monfries and his diving mates I will be very surprised. I will donate $40 to the Salvation Army if none of the above happens.

 

[Headless]

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Admittedly I haven't read the replies to this thread.

To be fair, we were second to the ball on most occasions, and when this happens the free kick count is never going to be even.

There was one terrible free kick that went to Robertson which resulted in a goal (I was actually embarrassed as a Melbourne supporter to see Robertson dive time after time).

There was also a controversial free to Lucas against Rivers, when I swear Lucas was holding Rivers' arm into his body.

Melbourne was worse than the umpiring though.

 

[Artie Bucco]

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Melb copped a shit run in the first half....didn't watch much of the second, so can't comment on that.

I'm sure we'll see a very even display next Friday night though

 

[Artie Bucco]

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There was also a controversial free to Lucas against Rivers, when I swear Lucas was holding Rivers' arm into his body.

That was terrible. Rivers goes to spoil, Lucas holds his arm and the umpire pings Rivers....

The thing that shits me the most from them was the umpire was obviously blind sided and had to guess. It's simple, if you're not sure DON'T ****ING GUESS!

 

[Headless]

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Precisely, the game was so incredibly over-umpired.

 

[DapperDon]

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So you are saying you missed the Carlton vs Essendon game from round 3 then?
You must have missed it.

I am dreading next week. If there isn't at least two 50 metre penalties paid to Essendon, at least 3 goals from free kicks and countless numbers to Monfries and his diving mates I will be very surprised. I will donate $40 to the Salvation Army if none of the above happens.

I'll donate double if it does

 

[harmesy 37]

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I'll donate double if it does

You and I know it is a given that Lucas, Lloyd and others know how to milk the free kicks... i think my $40 is safe and won't be going to the salvation army.


but happy to donate if miracle upon miracle the umpires let the game go and don't get conned and guess decisions based on acting skills.

 

[Valve Bounce]

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I was at the game but understand the radio media were commenting regarding the poor display by the umpires but Channel 7 just tend to agree with almost every decision.

Wait a minute: you watched the game live, listened to the radio broadcast(s) and watched Channel 7 all at the same time and actually noticed the umpiring decisions as well? I hope you weren't watching the giant screen and the replays as well. :

 

[SirJimi05]

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One thing I did have a real problem with was the amount of free goals at the start of the game Essendon got from VERY soft free kicks. Some leniency needs to be shown in the forward 50 for these little ticky ones the bald heros love to pay.

Which ones? The only ones i can recall were the ones to Lloyd and Lonergan. Both were blatant free kicks. Melbourne recieved more goals directly from free kicks.

The reason the 1st qtr count was lopsided was because Essendon led Melbourne to the ball. Simple as that.

 

[SirJimi05]

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It all starts with Angus Monfries though...the umpires and his opponents need to wake up to the tactics he uses to milk free kicks.

Watch him when on the lead - he will get a bit of contact and drop his knees to the ground, then look at the umpire as though he's been shot.

Enormous differential between frees for and against. You would think coaches and umpires would be awake to him.

You say it like it is a bad thing? Monfires would be the best exponent of this in the competition. He is brilliant at it. All players play for free kicks. SOme are bad at it and some are good. It is not like he does disgraceful acts like Marc Murphy by deliberately faking injuries to get players reported. He is the one who goes down like he has been shot. I have never ever seen Monfries look at thge umpire like he has been shot so stop making up lies and take a look in your own backyard.

So you are saying you missed the Carlton vs Essendon game from round 3 then?
You must have missed it.

I am dreading next week. If there isn't at least two 50 metre penalties paid to Essendon, at least 3 goals from free kicks and countless numbers to Monfries and his diving mates I will be very surprised. I will donate $40 to the Salvation Army if none of the above happens.

The excuses are starting very early this time.

That was terrible. Rivers goes to spoil, Lucas holds his arm and the umpire pings Rivers....

The thing that shits me the most from them was the umpire was obviously blind sided and had to guess. It's simple, if you're not sure DON'T ****ING GUESS!

Yeah i reckon that point really hurt the Demons.

 

[Beats]

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You say it like it is a bad thing? Monfires would be the best exponent of this in the competition. He is brilliant at it. All players play for free kicks. SOme are bad at it and some are good. It is not like he does disgraceful acts like Marc Murphy by deliberately faking injuries to get players reported. He is the one who goes down like he has been shot. I have never ever seen Monfries look at thge umpire like he has been shot so stop making up lies and take a look in your own backyard.

Yeah i reckon that point really hurt the Demons.

Morefrees might be the best exponent of it in the competition, but it is something which is making our game sh1t. Lloyd used to do it back in the day, but at least he manned it up a notch. If you can't get the ball off your own merits you shouldn't be getting a game.
And at least in Murphy's case that someone actually touches him, Monfries would have to be the weakest player in the competition.

The point might not have hurt us, but the terrible umpiring did.
I love it how when a good example of a blatent free kick which was not there comes up, you comment on it's impact on the game, not whether it was a free kick or not.

 

[Effes]

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You say it like it is a bad thing?

I said the umpires/opponents need to be more aware of it...how is that having a go at Monfries? I don't like Monfries because of these tactics but it doesn't mean he's entirely to blame...he is using the umpires to his advantage and they should wake up to his tactics. As should his opponents...his opponents are costing their team because they aren't awake to his tactics.

I thought we wanted to discourage diving and milking free kicks from our game?

Monfires would be the best exponent of this in the competition. He is brilliant at it. All players play for free kicks. SOme are bad at it and some are good. It is not like he does disgraceful acts like Marc Murphy by deliberately faking injuries to get players reported. He is the one who goes down like he has been shot. I have never ever seen Monfries look at thge umpire like he has been shot so stop making up lies and take a look in your own backyard.

That's your interpretation on Murphy...if your referring to Kerr I'm sure the tribunal wouldn't have suspended him if there was nothing in it. Murphy actually said he was winded...do you think at the first bounce he is going to lay there and expect a free kick? Murphy ducks his head a fair bit like Joel Selwood but neither of these players go to Monfries level of looking at the umpire pleading for the free.

As I said the umpires are just as much to blame. In the instance Murphy and Selwood duck they should be pinged for holding the ball. In Monfries instance if he is dropping his knees when there is contact it should be called play on to discourage him from dropping his knees in the future.

If you've never seen him look at the umpire then I don't think you've been watching your team closely enough.

I suppose he has a brilliant mentor when it comes to dropping the knees and looking at the umpire for the free kick. You'd have to say he's learnt very well.

 

[jonoman89]

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Game was over-umped. I actually laughed when Robbo got that free for "in the back".

Good old Lloydy up to his usual tricks again - grabing his defenders arm so he falls on Lloyd's back. All class.

 

[SydneyBomber]

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So you are saying you missed the Carlton vs Essendon game from round 3 then?
You must have missed it.

I am dreading next week. If there isn't at least two 50 metre penalties paid to Essendon, at least 3 goals from free kicks and countless numbers to Monfries and his diving mates I will be very surprised. I will donate $40 to the Salvation Army if none of the above happens.

nice to see you're still bleeding over round 3 as much as judd was last week
gee I hope some big bad bomber doesn't test it out for him next week.