People just moving to clubs.

[15Petterd15]

What is the point of Trade Week if people are just moving clubs.
I reckon if someone wants to move teams, they should wait for trade week and actually get traded properly. we have 2 Trade weeks in the season, Mid Season and End Season trade weeks. is that just not enough for you? Tell me what you think about this.

 

[tim_saints]

What is the point of Trade Week if people are just moving clubs.
I reckon if someone wants to move teams, they should wait for trade week and actually get traded properly. we have 2 Trade weeks in the season, Mid Season and End Season trade weeks. is that just not enough for you? Tell me what you think about this.

Mate the end of season isn't a trade week its a free agency thing, so you can move to whatever club you want, where as the mid-season here must be a trade involved.

 

[EFL Boy]

There is no trade week at end of season. It's all free agency.

 

[okeydoke7]

No one will take my opinion seriously as I am at the Demons, and of course I am going to say this. But great idea. As good as it is for the Hawks and bombers at the moment, it is not good for the league. I am not filthy about the fact it is my players being poached, believe it or not, I don't care. I am just worried that it will create two big teams and 5 or so fairly inactive ones. Anyway, I think the idea is brilliant, and one that could save the league. But that's just me.

I also think we need a top 4, not a top 5

 

[EFL Boy]

Fair point Okey, I agree.

But then I also think each player should sign a contract on how many years they are at the club for, so when the contract runs out, they are a free agent.

 

[15Petterd15]

Fair point Okey, I agree.

But then I also think each player should sign a contract on how many years they are at the club for, so when the contract runs out, they are a free agent.

Just remember it makes trading more interesting because if one club doesnt like the offer, they can just decline leaving the person who wants to trade clubs back at their (Choking or Suffocating) club.

Like okey said, if players just leave also it leaves the team they left with less players. for eg. Timmy and Stats left the dragons, we now know that the shagons will not be so active as before.

 

[EFL Boy]

Shagons just have to start recruiting then.

 

[sausageroll]

The number of active 2009 posters that have changed clubs is not that high. Most of the players signed by Hawks and Bombers were inactives that we actually made the effort to chase up.

As for these signings being bad for the league I see why people would say this but I disagree completely. In most cases the other teams are no worse off than last season.

The Dragons have been hit hardest losing 2 genuinely active posters (although some of them incorrectly say Stats isn't much of a loss) but they've since gone and chased up a few new posters of their own.

Also, a good number of gun posters have returned from inactivity which can only be good for the league.

Instead of complaining about the Bombers' and Hawks' signings people should follow Pie4Life's example and get on with signing new talent

 

[cormick]

Furies are pretty goddamn active.

 

[pacemaker]

In all seriousness guys posting doesnt really improve the performance of a team in the ladder, does it

Perhaps having a loss of points for having 10+ inactive posters who are in the team for that week would encourage posting as the team doesn't want to loose premiership points.

Inactive will need to be defined? perhaps a player must post twice in that given week?? Only a suggestion guys otherwise posting regularly is just worthless really from a ladder point of view

 

[doggiesin08]

The changing of clubs in many examples actually facilitates greater involvement by that individual and I can't see the rule changing any time soon. It is something unique about this league that every player can play with the club they want to and that we don't lose actives because they want to be at another club but can't get there.

 

[cormick]

The changing of clubs in many examples actually facilitates greater involvement by that individual and I can't see the rule changing any time soon. It is something unique about this league that every player can play with the club they want to and that we don't lose actives because they want to be at another club but can't get there.

But some (read many) will want to go to the more active clubs where there posts are more recognised. Then the less-active club will lose another posting player, eg one of 6 or 7, while the higher-posting team gets yet another poster, one of 12 or 13. That will leave the former with about 5 posters and the latter with 14 or so. It is, therefore, foreseeable that the league will gradually lose some less active clubs, and end up as a 3 or 4 club league.

And the league may well also lose some very good posters because they would refuse to play with one of Hawks/Bombers and aren't allowed to play with the Furies. I'm safe, because I'm a Tiger fan, but I'd be willing to bet that at least one of Ljp, P4L, Petterd or Zainta wouldn't be willing to/allowed to play with any of the big clubs that would consume all the other teams.

 

[doggiesin08]

But some (read many) will want to go to the more active clubs where there posts are more recognised. Then the less-active club will lose another posting player, eg one of 6 or 7, while the higher-posting team gets yet another poster, one of 12 or 13. That will leave the former with about 5 posters and the latter with 14 or so. It is, therefore, foreseeable that the league will gradually lose some less active clubs, and end up as a 3 or 4 club league.

And the league may well also lose some very good posters because they would refuse to play with one of Hawks/Bombers and aren't allowed to play with the Furies. I'm safe, because I'm a Tiger fan, but I'd be willing to bet that at least one of Ljp, P4L, Petterd or Zainta wouldn't be willing to/allowed to play with any of the big clubs that would consume all the other teams.

The whole notion of 'good positions' ensures some eveness in posting. After one season or so playing HBF a gun poster may move to another club for a midfield spot. If the club can retain 14-15 posters without them getting pissed off over position its a testament to the club and many of the individuals.

What are you talking about losing posters because they can't play with those teams. The Furies (Tigers only) and the Mods (Mods only) are the only two specific entry clubs. If they refuse to play with the Hawks/Bombers (don't know why) then they've still got 4 other options. If they want to play for a 'big club' then put in the hard yards to make your own club one of them. The season before last the Bombers were on the brink of folding due to only a handfull (less actually) of active posters.

 

[okeydoke7]

But some (read many) will want to go to the more active clubs where there posts are more recognised. Then the less-active club will lose another posting player, eg one of 6 or 7, while the higher-posting team gets yet another poster, one of 12 or 13. That will leave the former with about 5 posters and the latter with 14 or so. It is, therefore, foreseeable that the league will gradually lose some less active clubs, and end up as a 3 or 4 club league.

And the league may well also lose some very good posters because they would refuse to play with one of Hawks/Bombers and aren't allowed to play with the Furies. I'm safe, because I'm a Tiger fan, but I'd be willing to bet that at least one of Ljp, P4L, Petterd or Zainta wouldn't be willing to/allowed to play with any of the big clubs that would consume all the other teams.

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[cormick]

The whole notion of 'good positions' ensures some eveness in posting. After one season or so playing HBF a gun poster may move to another club for a midfield spot. If the club can retain 14-15 posters without them getting pissed off over position its a testament to the club and many of the individuals.

What are you talking about losing posters because they can't play with those teams. The Furies (Tigers only) and the Mods (Mods only) are the only two specific entry clubs. If they refuse to play with the Hawks/Bombers (don't know why) then they've still got 4 other options. If they want to play for a 'big club' then put in the hard yards to make your own club one of them. The season before last the Bombers were on the brink of folding due to only a handfull (less actually) of active posters.

Top part is true, and I didn't think of that. But, for example, the Demons and Shagons would be close-ish to folding, I would think, due to both the efflux of players - mainly to Hawks and Bombers. And, if they both fold in the next two years, then the options to move from one of the big clubs due to limited opportunity will be hampered. Furies will be fine, but only a select few are able to join them, and Mob Squad will probably be gone. Which will leave only 2 or 3 other teams with which to join. If you want to have the comp in it's current format, then I'd suggest something should be done.

And to the second part, just as a matter of principle, I would retire rather than play for Bombers or Hawks. Nothing against the players at either team, but they're clearly making a considered effort to poach as many players as they can. Which is good for them, but methinks not good for the comp. I'm lucky that if Shagons lose another few posters and fold, I might have the Furies to fall back on. But there's a few that wouldn't have that luxury.

 

[doggiesin08]

Top part is true, and I didn't think of that. But, for example, the Demons and Shagons would be close-ish to folding, I would think, due to both the efflux of players - mainly to Hawks and Bombers. And, if they both fold in the next two years, then the options to move from one of the big clubs due to limited opportunity will be hampered. Furies will be fine, but only a select few are able to join them, and Mob Squad will probably be gone. Which will leave only 2 or 3 other teams with which to join. If you want to have the comp in it's current format, then I'd suggest something should be done.

And to the second part, just as a matter of principle, I would retire rather than play for Bombers or Hawks. Nothing against the players at either team, but they're clearly making a considered effort to poach as many players as they can. Which is good for them, but methinks not good for the comp. I'm lucky that if Shagons lose another few posters and fold, I might have the Furies to fall back on. But there's a few that wouldn't have that luxury.

Mate those clubs are not likely to fold. The simple key to ensure this is to play posting players in good positions to keep them around and active. IMO it possibly took too long this year for that to be done with Wiskers and SA Hawkette taking gun positions over Timmy and Zainta until round 16. They have Ljp who is one of the most respected posters in the league as well as yourself, Petterd and a few others. The Demons won't fold either. They've got Okey, Cooney and TG who along with a rejuvinated EBIAC you can build a club around.

In terms of the Hawks and Bombers. The Hawks have recruited BL2007 from the Dees who was hardly active, Stats (who's posting could increase a lot) who wasn't overly active, have brought back an ex-admin (FR) and have signed across a quality TAE poster in Nessy. Nothing too bad there.

The Bombers did have an objective to sign a big name or 2 from within the comp and have gotten Timmy who has a real life connection with EFL and Roughie. We ofcourse spoke to others including Croweater and Bend It Like Cotchin but why not, we'd be stupid to think we'd onlyl have to approach 2 players to get them. PVF, Tigs, Amos were all as good as inactive when we signed them.

 

[Zainta]

While I am annoyed at losing some great posters for the Dragons, I think that this free agency shouldn't be changed. People mainly leave if they know people outside of BigFooty or they're not getting a good enough go at their current club. But I seriously hope those are the only 2 reasons, because otherwise the person is just a tool.

 

[TFLUA-Tiger]

I completely agree with all of Doggie's comments in the thread so far.

I've always been a real fan of free-agency in an online game. Without the flexibility of being able to play at a club where you enjoy posting and participating in the game, people will not post.

Free agency has always been part of the game and should continue to do so.

During my time as admin I implemented the mid-season trading period so teams would not be ripped off by players leaving to other clubs during the season, but that's as far as it should go.

There's a whole site of posters out there, so when your club is in trouble, grab hold of 'em. It might take a bit of work, but if you're not willing to work for your club you may as well let it sink.

 

[Biggie]

Haha

Hawks forever.

 

[boncer34]

Ok let me intervene.

Piss off.

Thanks. Bye.

 

[wce_all_da_way]

I'd rather cormick retired than play with the Hawks too.

Seriously, it's always been like this. Posters come and go, recruits come and go. It all comes to nothing in the end when the random sim decides the games.

 

[cormick]

Mate those clubs are not likely to fold. The simple key to ensure this is to play posting players in good positions to keep them around and active. IMO it possibly took too long this year for that to be done with Wiskers and SA Hawkette taking gun positions over Timmy and Zainta until round 16. They have Ljp who is one of the most respected posters in the league as well as yourself, Petterd and a few others. The Demons won't fold either. They've got Okey, Cooney and TG who along with a rejuvinated EBIAC you can build a club around.

In terms of the Hawks and Bombers. The Hawks have recruited BL2007 from the Dees who was hardly active, Stats (who's posting could increase a lot) who wasn't overly active, have brought back an ex-admin (FR) and have signed across a quality TAE poster in Nessy. Nothing too bad there.

The Bombers did have an objective to sign a big name or 2 from within the comp and have gotten Timmy who has a real life connection with EFL and Roughie. We ofcourse spoke to others including Croweater and Bend It Like Cotchin but why not, we'd be stupid to think we'd onlyl have to approach 2 players to get them. PVF, Tigs, Amos were all as good as inactive when we signed them.

Hypothetically I left to go to the Furies this week, Tim and Stats both leave too, and the players Ljp and P4L recruit only stay on for about 2 weeks. Then The Shagons would have been left with about four or five posting players. If that's enough to keep a team going, fair enough, but for mine it isn't. Obviously I'm still there and we'd be hoping to get a fair few good posters for Bombers and Hawks to poach next year. Not sure of the Demon's position, but I know they were thinking the club may fold (admittedly satirically) if EBIAC retired. I'm not advocating ditching free-agency, but possibly there should be a cap on how many players a club can sign from other teams, or how many all up or something similar. Otherwise, with so fewer players than eg your mob, the Shagons will struggle to have someone online enough of the time to grab some of the new players who post in that thread asking for a team spot. I've tried to lightly persuade some there but both times have been beaten, once by a bomber and once by a hawk. With so many more players online and their time online collectively larger than that of the Shagons at least, they, effectively, have a much higher chance of "being in the right place at the right time" to sign up the new players. The rich stay healthy, the sick stay poor.

Yes it's all naysaying and negative, and only when the moon aligns with saturn and whatever the criteria was will it happen, but it could. And the league as it stands now is better than a four-club league that might happen down the track.

 

[boncer34]

Or..... you could do what we did with FR and Nessy and go out and actively recruit them and not sit on your ass and wait for people to come to you?

As for Stats and BL. I didn't even know they played in this comp when they were recruited from another site.

 

[StatsFanatic]

Cormick, if you're so worried about teams folding, it's simple for two folding team (which you say could be Dragons and Demons) to just join forces.

Personally, lately I've been addicted to TAE, and only visit BigFooty for it's highly active 'Footy Fotoshops' forum (which actually got me into SFA as a Dragons player posted in that forum that there was looking for a new jumper design).

When I first posted my jumper design I headed down here trying to get attention (yes I'm an attention seeker, I make jumper designs and get extremely disappointed when no-one comments my work). Soon after they accepted my design, I become interested in SFA itself.

That was 16 months ago, 16 months on I was being struck in the backline having first played forward. So I moved the Hawks wanting to play forward again or even midfield. The article said it was the finals bomb-out, by that is way more interesting then just leaving because I wanted to be a forward again.

 

[boncer34]

And East Side is better then the South Side.