The overeaction and lets look fwd thread

[Primetime Pricey]

Just reading through a lot of the threads and i feel a lot of overeacting to the loss and where we are really at.

I was possibly watching a different game to a lot of you but i thought the boys didnt look out of place on Friday night and we could take a fair bit away from it.

Look, poor kicking is poor football. We convert our dominance in the first 15 mins of the last qtr and we could be sitting here differently.

We all knew Geelong are the best side. The final margin wasnt a true reflection of the game. We caused a lot of issues for Geelong, they also turned the ball over a lot and gave us many opportunites to put scoreboard pressure on. There are also a lot of individuals that can improve.

We have Brisbane this week and this should really be a big win after watching them against Adelaide on Sunday. Their leader is struggling and their backling is in shambles. A big win this weekend could be just the tonic.

Cheer up guys, we arent even half way into the season. Many things will change.

Go Pies!

 

[the woodsmen2010]

Just reading through a lot of the threads and i feel a lot of overeacting to the loss and where we are really at.

I was possibly watching a different game to a lot of you but i thought the boys didnt look out of place on Friday night and we could take a fair bit away from it.

Look, poor kicking is poor football. We convert our dominance in the first 15 mins of the last qtr and we could be sitting here differently.

We all knew Geelong are the best side. The final margin wasnt a true reflection of the game. We caused a lot of issues for Geelong, they also turned the ball over a lot and gave us many opportunites to put scoreboard pressure on. There are also a lot of individuals that can improve.

We have Brisbane this week and this should really be a big win after watching them against Adelaide on Sunday. Their leader is struggling and their backling is in shambles. A big win this weekend could be just the tonic.

Cheer up guys, we arent even half way into the season. Many things will change.

Go Pies!

Could not agree more..

 

[cobbly]

I purposely didnt log on over the weekend cause i knew what the reaction would be. I come here today and there are no less than 5 roasts on the front page. All I can say is im glad i wasnt on here friday night.

The fact is geelong are the best, everyone knows it. I think we showed that on our day we can match it with them, we had enough chances but we didnt make the most of them and paid the price.

We will be fine. Who here wouldnt have taken 7-2 if they were offered it at the start of the season? Bit of perspective people.

Looking forward to the rematch already.

 

[loki04]

I personally thought Geelong always looked like they were going to break away during the game even in the 1st half when we were holding our own.

Yes we're are having a great start to the year but we are still not better then them and it will take things to go our way if we are to beat them in finals imo.

I think we have bridged the gap to a degree but not enough yet to be confident flag favorites.

 

[loki04]

I purposely didnt log on over the weekend cause i knew what the reaction would be. I come here today and there are no less than 5 roasts on the front page. All I can say is im glad i wasnt on here friday night.

The fact is geelong are the best, everyone knows it. I think we showed that on our day we can match it with them, we had enough chances but we didnt make the most of them and paid the price.

We will be fine. Who here wouldnt have taken 7-2 if they were offered it at the start of the season? Bit of perspective people.

Looking forward to the rematch already.

Geelong had 6 more scoring shots then us they to kicked 14 points.

 

[cobbly]

Geelong had 6 more scoring shots then us they to kicked 14 points.

I know that. I was talking about at the start of the 3rd quarter when we had several chances to put some real scoreboard pressure on and we didn't, Geelong then kicked away.

Again at the start of the last quarter we had several chances to get a couple back and make it a much tighter affair, but again we didn't, Geelong was then able to cruise home as we gave up.

I'm not saying we would've or should've won, I'm just saying we had our chances, and maybe next time we will take them.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

Geelong had 6 more scoring shots then us they to kicked 14 points.

its not only the scoring shots, its the chances that didnt even get on the scoreboard like Swan out on the full and Sidebottom in the last snapping and coming off the side of the boot. Little things like that.

 

[loki04]

its not only the scoring shots, its the chances that didnt even get on the scoreboard like Swan out on the full and Sidebottom in the last snapping and coming off the side of the boot. Little things like that.

and why is that because the kickers are under pressure or they were under perceived pressure, ie they didn't stand up under it and Geelong did in the end.

 

[shawthing09]

The score wasn't an accurate reflection of the game in general play but we still seem to be in the same place we have for the last 2 or so years. Up there with the best but just not quite good enough to challenge the best.

We still haven't found a fowardline and gameplan that stands up against the better defensive teams. I think it is very cause and effect too. Our fowards look poor because the ball movement and quality is slow and poor, the quality and speed of the ball in is poor because of a lack of confidence in the fowards.

There is a fair bit of room for improvement. Presti back in, Swan spending more time in the midfield, Pendles actually playing in the midfield, no O'Bree, one of Medhurst and Jack to create an extra target, more experince and hopefully a better showing from Dawes.

I still don't think we are close enough to Geelong to be considered a genuine threat to them but we have that quality in us, which is probably where we have been the last couple of seasons.

 

[mattys123]

Just a little note before I "move on".

Supporters on here tend to compare the current side to 2002 or even 1990.

Well in 1990, the first time we played Essendon in the home and away rounds, we lost by 26 points, only to fight back and only lose by a goal the second time around.

I guess what I'm trying to say is sometimes you learn more from a loss to a good side then a win (see 2002 when we beat Brisbane).

I think we learnt more in that game on Friday night then we have in all 8 of the previous games.

Let's move on, Brisbane becomes a bloody important game for us, with their season on the line and Luke (I'm doing a Shane O'bree impersonation) Power's 250th game, this won't be easy.

 

[Bay Pie]

We beat Geelong in the stat that they have owned for the last 4 years-contested possessions. I'd think we did OK in the clearances as well.

Let's remember that Geelong are still the best team in the comp irrespective of their current H&A record.

We've bridged the gap no doubt but not enough at this point in time. Their poise and polich showed through in the end. We need to continue to bridge that gap and have another 13 rounds and finals to do it.

We travelling quite well.

 

[Primetime Pricey]

and why is that because the kickers are under pressure or they were under perceived pressure, ie they didn't stand up under it and Geelong did in the end.

actually those 2 kicks i mentioned were under no pressure. Swan had a set shot and Sidebottom had no one near him and would kick it generally.

at the end of the day Geelong took their chances when they had to, they are a better outfit right now.

Looking at Brisbane and after watching them yesterday we really have to watch Todd Banfield. The kid was a livewire yesterday and when Brisbane made their runs at the Crows he was a large reason why.

 

[loki04]

actually those 2 kicks i mentioned were under no pressure. Swan had a set shot and Sidebottom had no one near him and would kick it generally.

at the end of the day Geelong took their chances when they had to, they are a better outfit right now.

Looking at Brisbane and after watching them yesterday we really have to watch Todd Banfield. The kid was a livewire yesterday and when Brisbane made their runs at the Crows he was a large reason why.

Sidebottoms was perceived pressure he rushed his kick when he had more time then he realised, with experience he will nail that shot.

I'm not saying we CAN'T beat them but we need to be playing out of our skins to beat them Geelong don't to beat us.

They are a very skillful and strongly built team, we are 2 or so years off matching them physically as a team.

Luke Ball is a major reason we won the clearances and contested possesion he was on the bottom of very pack busting his arse.

 

[Ant85]

^ It isn't necessarily the scoreboard that offers a true reflection.

We had periods where we dominated play, and failed to convert, or even get a scoring shot.

The first quarter was more or less even. The last 10 minutes of the 2nd quarter, the first 15 minutes of the 3rd and 4th quarters, we dominated play and failed to put it on the scoreboard.

Geelong, on the other hand, slammed 5 goals on in the last 10 minutes of the 3rd quarter, capitalising from our failure to convert. Geelong, as good sides do, can put a game to rest in 5 minutes if you don't make use of your opportunities. That's what they did.

As I said before, it comes back to confidence in your ability. We panicked, they were composed, that's the defining difference in the end.

 

[Syphoncom]

Just reading through a lot of the threads and i feel a lot of overeacting to the loss and where we are really at.

I was possibly watching a different game to a lot of you but i thought the boys didnt look out of place on Friday night and we could take a fair bit away from it.

Look, poor kicking is poor football. We convert our dominance in the first 15 mins of the last qtr and we could be sitting here differently.

We all knew Geelong are the best side. The final margin wasnt a true reflection of the game. We caused a lot of issues for Geelong, they also turned the ball over a lot and gave us many opportunites to put scoreboard pressure on. There are also a lot of individuals that can improve.

We have Brisbane this week and this should really be a big win after watching them against Adelaide on Sunday. Their leader is struggling and their backling is in shambles. A big win this weekend could be just the tonic.

Cheer up guys, we arent even half way into the season. Many things will change.

Go Pies!

Mate this is definitely true.

Take nothing away from Geelong, you can't, but they deserved to win. You don't beat a solid outfit like Collingwood by 30+ points and somehow not win well.

I'll add a few points, but I haven't seen the game on TV, only at the game.

a) While people say the score doesn't accurately reflect the outcome of the game, I disagree.

I think what would be more appropriate here would be the score doesn't actually matter. In this day and age, 24-36 points is a momentum swing. Ofcourse we would've liked to kick the last instead of them, to not have 0.6 to 1.0 I think in the last quarter at one stage.

Regardless of scoring opportunities, scoring shots (G/B), whatever, the score didn't matter in that style of contest as much. Fact is, we kick 4.2 not 0.6 in the last quarter to a goal and we're right back in it. Fact again: we didn't. Game over.

b) I don't think we're lacking anything right now player wise.

Yes we need players to stand up at the right moments, but I don't see us failing as a club in bigger games. Whether we get our finals record scrutinised or not is a different matter (and one again I think is very justified), to argue we fail in these games I think is a little harsh.

Since '07, the team to beat has been Geelong and Saints essentially won everything bar the flag last year (really..). We toweled them up and had an ok '07, I still remember that loss in the prelim by 5, think siren sounded near the 50 . We didn't have a Jolly and got smashed in the ruck.

Overall, a loss here and there throughout the season to a great team isn't a problem. That's why we have coached and analysts to understand how to better our play from that, and moreso, how to not fall into the same pitfalls we did there - but more important, in a game that actually matters.

Hawthorn lost to Geelong 08, Geelong lost to Saints 09 and Collingwood lost to Geelong 10. Meh.

c) Bit of a summary, but learning and exposure.

Because of our opponents and our recent success, a few cracks get plastered over. We haven't had an opponent thus far that has had the ability to stop our run, to force us into complete defensiveness or to have the defensive pressure that Geelong maintained on friday night.

We needed a game like that (and more) to better position ourselves for teams like that. Haven't seen us bomb them (or noticed it being that bad) since Rocca failed to do anything in his games. Terrible entry, credit to Geelong.

On top of that, there have been concerns with a few players and their ability to perform recently. Against even good opposition this can be overlooked, but not against teams like Geelong. We have a lot of depth and with more than half the season until the finals we have a fair amount of time to realise our best team. Play ourselves in through the last 3-5 weeks of the comp, get our structures right and find our 22.

This one doesn't in any way understate our loss to Geelong, but rather imo gives perspective to a round 9 clash. Bring on the next 13 rounds, then hopefully another 3-4 more!

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Nothing wrong with a bit of over-reacting.

Macaffer choked on the big stage. Thats the bold hardnosed fact. As much as he's been contributing in recent weeks, he has to go back to the VFL and regather his confidence.

Davis clearly is hampered with injury. Time to rest. If its not injury he should be delisted.

Nathan Brown is simply not Simon Prestigiacomo. Not yet anyway.

The Wood/Fraser battle is far from finished. It will be a close call as to who gets selected this week.

Theres three compulsory outs this week. There could be up to six. With Lockyer Dick Barham Fraser Presti L Brown Medhurst and others like Rounds knocking on the door, it woudl be sheer madness to not contemplate changes. Theres no point having depth if you're not prepared to use it.

 

[coldpieswarmbeer]

im starting to feel like the "lets not overreact" threads are starting to outnumber the actually overreaction threads lol

 

[Stazza71]

If we lose to the Bears on sat -then we can over react. Cats game was a reality check - some were found out and its better to have that sort of loss now than in the finals.

Have faith - we are 7-2 ffs

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

Just a little note before I "move on".

Supporters on here tend to compare the current side to 2002 or even 1990.

Well in 1990, the first time we played Essendon in the home and away rounds, we lost by 26 points, only to fight back and only lose by a goal the second time around.

It is a better side than either of those teams, especially 2002 (with or without a Buckley). There are no real weaknesses in our current team and we have specialist KPPs where Crosisca was a makeshift CHF in the 90 team.

Mind you, there's no Rocca or Monkhorst in this team, nor a Gavin Brown. The 2002 team also contained a bunch of 2nd hand players from elsewhere, none of whom were stars but just fulfilling a role.

Our current team is destined for a premiership but maybe not this year. We have a great group of players who need time to develop together and individually. We should look at replacing a few players who can't perform in big games. We cannot afford to carry any passengers.

 

[The Royal Sampler]

With Lockyer Dick Barham Fraser Presti L Brown Medhurst and others like Rounds knocking on the door, it woudl be sheer madness to not contemplate changes. Theres no point having depth if you're not prepared to use it.

Rounds has a 3-week shoulder injury, of which he's served at least 2 weeks. While his form before that was good, and I'm certainly looking forward to his debut, they won't bring him in with that preparation.

 

[daics_35]

All of the recent premiers have lost to the grandfinalist in the home and away season. We will beat them on the last day in September.










As long as Macaffer is not playing!

 

[The Panther]

We were in a position to make a statement that we had arrived as a premiership contender & dropped it quicker than 3rd period French. Bitterly disapointing.

 

[rose jam]

Despite what people crap on about "being found out", "not up to it", "had to make a statement", blah blah, we simply lost because we made a tactical error in trying to out defend Geelong, probably as a reaction to conceeding some soft goals when our forward zone broke recently, although we were winning by 10 goal margings - go figure.
Wrong move, simply corrected and having more players running forward of the contest next time, will keep the forwards within the 50m and we'll break them down. We're good enough.

 

[Timmy from Thomastown]

Rounds has a 3-week shoulder injury, of which he's served at least 2 weeks. While his form before that was good, and I'm certainly looking forward to his debut, they won't bring him in with that preparation.

I'd forgotten he was injured but in my defence he was the eighth player I named. I was hardly spruiking for him to be immediately promoted, just pointing out that we have form in the VFL which should be rewarded. We should not be afraid to mix the senior side around until we get the right formula.

PS I forgot Jack Anthony.

 

[daics cousin]

Ok judging by the way we have been going thus far, i predict we will finish either 1st or 2nd.
If we do fantastic plus most importantly we go into finals with a healthy list,with players knocking on the door to make the seniors.

Then we are set for a great tilt at the flag.

Go pies !