Rd 22: Fremantle vs Carlton

[blue gunslinger]

Why do the best teams in the league consistenly bring back experienced players?? it's how you win finals. We are already thinking about next year and that's fine...it's easy money off the bookies and good for the young guys development, but we wont be winning any more games

so you play an Austin or Brock and they both break down after a qtr and the chances of winning a final are gone
Or you play a Carlos or Wiggins who don't manage a stat all game.
What you do is pick your best available team with fitness and form being the measures NOT reputation or experience.
All reports from training today at Subi
Absolute perfect day - beautiful sunshine players may be sunstruck and not want to return East.
Lots of talk and lots of energy. Players look very eager
Players continued their great social skills and took time as they did at the airport to say g'day to the fans esp the kids. Hats off guys appreciate it
Just a reminder gathering at Subiaco clubrooms after 3:30pm ish
all info on www.wablues.com and wablues facebook page plus wablues thread here on bf

 

[DamoESP]

For a player who has only had 10 senior games under his belt and is in good form I believe we should definately be playing him in finals.

His only played 6 games But is looking better every week. Great to see him finally step up

 

[Sin City]

Ratten has made it absolutely clear that Gibbs will not play in the midfield.

No he hasn't. He's always said Gibbs will play a mixture of roles as required.

 

[parbuster]

In round 13 we were in the middle of a period where we played Hawthorn, Sydney and North – all at the Docklands.

These teams all employed the same tactics:
• Surround the clearances with 20 + players
• Compress the playing area, especially through the corridor
• Flood and/or zone back in defence

Freo were able to pull this off successfully because:
• They had bigger bodied mids
• We were terrible goal side of stoppages and were exposed on fast breaks
• The tactics employed above forced errors (real and implied)

We are coming off a set of 3 games, where the above tactics have NOT been employed, allowing a more open, traffic free, less accountable style of football.

The question is how will Freo set up ?

Can they (will they) employ the above tactics again, this time on a bigger ground like Subi ?
What effect will 10 changes make? Some haven’t played for several weeks, and that lack of continuity WILL make a negative difference on some.
Can our mob play with the necessary intensity AND poise required to get themselves into the game ?

I have no doubt we will be the fitter team on the night. If there is parity at half time back us in.

 

[the egg]

Was thinking about backing Freo this week but after comparing the two sides on paper im leaning towards you guys. Freo have a lot of young players in and i reckon they might get exposed this Friday.

 

[parrot]

Win or lose Cheatmantle's selection tactics set an ugly example. No doubt the AFL aren't impressed. Resting 1-2 players is one thing, but resting 50% of the team so as to try to get an unfair advantage over the opposition the following week is a pretty low act. Blues by 42 points, and a healthy dose of Karma delivered to the Purple Cheats.

 

[parrot]

I....
However, I have a more pragmatic view. Definitely an at risk game for us and you have better form now than when we first played you. Our form is down, we are missing some key players (Tarrant and Barlow, and maybe a couple more depending on selection) and having such a young list the fatigue issue is real, not just an excuse in case we lose. All things being equal...

I guess that's why you've resorted to cheating. We're actually a younger side than Freo, but aren't concerned about fatigue because we've put in the hard work and player management throughout the year, and therefore didn't need to resort to throwing games. What we lack in experience, we'll make up for in our pace and talent advantage. Subi suits us perfectly because we struggle against teams that flood, and it's hard to flood at Subi. Freo successfully flooded our forwardline at the smaller Docklands stadium last time and were lucky with Murph and Kruezer being out, plus some amazingly inaccurate kicking. Freo's backline is fragile at best, and I can't see them containing talent like Yarran, Betts, Garlett, Waite, Hendo and Hampson in the wide open spaces at Subi. Everything is against our young side i.e. Freo-cheating to rest up their players for this game, and playing at a hostile regional stadium. Despite this I'm predicting them to turn it on and deliver some richly deserved Karma to the Purple Game Throwers.

 

[Selggad]

I guess that's why you've resorted to cheating. We're actually a younger side than Freo, but aren't concerned about fatigue because we've put in the hard work and player management throughout the year, and therefore didn't need to resort to throwing games. What we lack in experience, we'll make up for in our pace and talent advantage. Subi suits us perfectly because we struggle against teams that flood, and it's hard to flood at Subi. Freo successfully flooded our forwardline at the smaller Docklands stadium last time and were lucky with Murph and Kruezer being out, plus some amazingly inaccurate kicking. Freo's backline is fragile at best, and I can't see them containing talent like Yarran, Betts, Garlett, Waite, Hendo and Hampson in the wide open spaces at Subi. Everything is against our young side i.e. Freo-cheating to rest up their players for this game, and playing at a hostile regional stadium. Despite this I'm predicting them to turn it on and deliver some richly deserved Karma to the Purple Game Throwers.

Wow, you love this cheating line, which is pretty funny coming from one of two clubs that have been found guilty of...cheating. I guess Freo's list management strategy really got under your skin.

I'm also sure you are fully aware that the rigors of travelling
from WA every second week and having the accompanying interrupted recovery makes the management of young players much more difficult than anything any interstate (i.e. not from WA) club faces. And I'm sure you are also aware that the Freo have very few middle age bracket players. We have a lot of very young guys, and a number of older guys and nothing in the middle. We are playing a lot more first, second and third year players than most clubs, including the blues. I am also sure you won't acknowledge any of this as your trip appears to be big emotional arguments with little rationale.

 

[Stronzo]

I guess that's why you've resorted to cheating. We're actually a younger side than Freo, but aren't concerned about fatigue because we've put in the hard work and player management throughout the year, and therefore didn't need to resort to throwing games. What we lack in experience, we'll make up for in our pace and talent advantage. Subi suits us perfectly because we struggle against teams that flood, and it's hard to flood at Subi. Freo successfully flooded our forwardline at the smaller Docklands stadium last time and were lucky with Murph and Kruezer being out, plus some amazingly inaccurate kicking. Freo's backline is fragile at best, and I can't see them containing talent like Yarran, Betts, Garlett, Waite, Hendo and Hampson in the wide open spaces at Subi. Everything is against our young side i.e. Freo-cheating to rest up their players for this game, and playing at a hostile regional stadium. Despite this I'm predicting them to turn it on and deliver some richly deserved Karma to the Purple Game Throwers.

Lets hope Ratten also thinks we play the same game style at subi as we do at docklands.

 

[parrot]

.....second week and having the accompanying interrupted recovery makes the management of young players much more difficult than anything a...

I wouldn't call Pav and Sandilands "young players". lol. Fact is you cheated the system to try to get an unfair advantage over our young team. To me that says Freo weren't confident with a level playing field in this game. Interesting. BTW Freo were caught cheating the salary cap on a few occasions you'll recall - Glass Houses indeed.

 

[parrot]

Lets hope Ratten also thinks we play the same game style at subi as we do at docklands.

It's pretty obvious you won't be able to ultraflood our forwardline at Subi like you did at Docklands because of the size difference. The issue is do the Freagles have a plan B? Doubt Harvey will want to get involved in a shootout with our talented young side. He's hoping the extra legs his players have as a result of his much publicized cheating will be enough to get them across the line. It'll certainly help - no question. We'll juts have to play that much better to negate those factors. Will be interesting.

 

[Selggad]

hey, its only Parrot, you just need to learn to ignore all of its shit talking. We do

'nuff said. Ciao bella.

 

[mediumsizered]

Wow, you love this cheating line, which is pretty funny coming from one of two clubs that have been found guilty of...cheating. I guess Freo's list management strategy really got under your skin.

Do you ever bother to check your facts before posting, or are you a great believer of never letting the facts get in the way of a good story?

The following is a list of documented breaches of the salary cap regulations (no club has yet been penalized for breaches of the salary floor regulations):

In 1987, Sydney were fined the maximum of $60,000 and forfeited their first round pick in the National Draft after a VFL investigation found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $1.15 million during the season.
In 1992, Sydney were fined $50,000 after it was found that they had failed to disclose payments made to former player Greg Williams during the 1990 season; Williams was suspended for six matches and fined the maximum of $25,000 for accepting the payments. [14]
Hawthorn was fined $28,500 in 1992 for a minor breach in relation to benefit payments.
Three clubs were fined for minor breaches in 1993: Melbourne ($13,450), Carlton ($9,750) and Footscray ($2,700).[15]
In 1994, Carlton were fined $50,000 after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $85,000 during the 1993 season.[16]
In 1995, Sydney were fined $20,000 after key documents relating to player financial details and star full-forward Tony Lockett's contract details were lost in the post by club officials, forcing the club to skip the 1995 pre-season draft and play the season two players short.[17] The club officials were fired by the Swans one week later.
In 1996, Essendon were fined a record $638,250 ($250,000 in back tax and penalties, $112,000 for draft tampering and $276,250 for breaching the salary cap regulations), forfeited their first, second and third round picks in the National Draft and were excluded from the 1997 rookie and pre-season drafts after a joint Australian Tax Office and AFL investigation found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totalling $514,500 between 1991 and 1996.[18]
Ten other clubs were fined in 1996 for minor breaches in a crackdown following the Sydney incident the year before: Fitzroy, St Kilda and North Melbourne ($30,000 each), Richmond ($20,000), and Brisbane, Collingwood, the Western Bulldogs, Fremantle, Hawthorn and the West Coast Eagles ($10,000 each).
In 1997, Port Adelaide was fined $50,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of five players.[19]
In 1998, the West Coast Eagles were fined $100,000 and forfeited their third round pick in the National Draft after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by a total of $165,000 during the 1997 and 1998 seasons.
Geelong were fined $77,000 in 1998 and excluded from the 1999 pre-season draft after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $154,000 during the 1997 season.
Four other clubs were fined in 1998 for minor breaches after an AFL investigation: Collingwood ($47,500), Hawthorn ($45,000), Richmond ($21,000) and the Western Bulldogs ($5,300). Collingwood and Richmond were also excluded from the 1999 pre-season draft.[20]
In 1999, Melbourne were fined $600,000 and forfeited their first, second and third round picks in the National Draft for two years after it was found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totalling $810,000 between 1995 and 1998. Fremantle were handed Melbourne's first round pick for the 1999 National Draft as compensation for losing ruckman Jeff White to Melbourne.
Two other clubs were fined in 1999 for minor breaches: Carlton ($43,800) and Geelong ($20,000); Carlton were also excluded from the 2000 pre-season draft.[21]
In 2000, Fremantle were fined $54,400 and excluded from the 2001 pre-season draft for a string of minor breaches. Fremantle's poor 2001 season (in which it won the wooden spoon) has been put down to this penalty.
Four other clubs were fined in 2000 for minor breaches: North Melbourne ($35,000), Richmond ($10,000), Brisbane ($7,500), and Melbourne ($5,000). [22]
In 2001, Carlton were fined $125,150, forfeited their second and third round picks in the 2001 National Draft and were excluded from the 2002 pre-season draft after it was found that they had failed to disclose payments totaling $239,900 to captain Craig Bradley and incorrectly lodged an additional services agreement document during the 1998 and 1999 seasons.
Three other clubs were fined in 2001 for minor breaches: Richmond and North Melbourne ($20,000 each) and Melbourne ($5,000).[23]
In 2002, Carlton were fined a record $987,500 and forfeited their priority picks in the National Draft, their first and second round picks in the National Draft for two years and were excluded from the 2003 pre-season draft after an AFL investigation found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totaling $1.37 million between 1998 and 2001; ruckman Matthew Allan was suspended for five matches and fined $10,000 for accepting undisclosed payments from club officials. Carlton struggled for seven years as it recovered both on and off the field from these significant penalties, finishing no higher than 11th in 2004 and winning their first-ever wooden spoons in 2002, 2005 and 2006. After the draft ban expired, Carlton received a multitude of priority and first round draft picks. [24]
Fremantle were fined $80,000 in 2002 for late and incorrect lodgement of documents relating to the financial and contract details of four players.
In 2003, Brisbane were fined $260,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of 26 players, and the Western Bulldogs were fined $30,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of three players after a crackdown in light of the Carlton scandal the year before.
Essendon were fined $85,000 in 2003 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $106,000 during the 2002 season.[25]
In 2004, Melbourne were fined $30,000 for incorrect lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of three players.[26]
In 2005, St Kilda were fined $40,000 for a minor breach in regards to minor sponsor Xbox providing players with the game machines. [27] Brian Waldron, Matt Hanson and Cameron Vale, the club's CEO, CFO and Financial Officer at the time, are currently under investigation by ASIC, the Australian Tax Office, the Victorian State Revenue Office and the Victoria Police in relation to the Melbourne Storm salary cap scandal in the NRL.
In 2006, St Kilda were fined $40,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of four players.[28]
Richmond was fined $10,000 in 2007 for late lodgement of a document relating to the contract and financial details of a player. [29]
Two clubs were fined in 2008 for minor breaches: Adelaide ($20,000) and St Kilda ($10,000).[30]

 

[parrot]

Do you ever bother to check your facts before posting, or are you a great believer of never letting the facts get in the way of a good story?

The following is a list of documented breaches of the salary cap regulations (no club has yet been penalized for breaches of the salary floor regulations):

In 1987, Sydney were fined the maximum ...

That's a pretty amazing list. Plus there's some others that the AFL chose not to investigate for political reasons. A weeks ago Gary Lyon even mentioned some deals he was involved with in the late 1990's. Would be interesting if the AFL decide the investigate Pav's "creative" deals at Freo.. Suspect it's so widespread, the AFL just don't want to know about it.

 

[Selggad]

Do you ever bother to check your facts before posting, or are you a great believer of never letting the facts get in the way of a good story?

The following is a list of documented breaches of the salary cap regulations (no club has yet been penalized for breaches of the salary floor regulations):

In 1987, Sydney were fined the maximum of $60,000 and forfeited their first round pick in the National Draft after a VFL investigation found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $1.15 million during the season.
In 1992, Sydney were fined $50,000 after it was found that they had failed to disclose payments made to former player Greg Williams during the 1990 season; Williams was suspended for six matches and fined the maximum of $25,000 for accepting the payments. [14]
Hawthorn was fined $28,500 in 1992 for a minor breach in relation to benefit payments.
Three clubs were fined for minor breaches in 1993: Melbourne ($13,450), Carlton ($9,750) and Footscray ($2,700).[15]
In 1994, Carlton were fined $50,000 after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $85,000 during the 1993 season.[16]
In 1995, Sydney were fined $20,000 after key documents relating to player financial details and star full-forward Tony Lockett's contract details were lost in the post by club officials, forcing the club to skip the 1995 pre-season draft and play the season two players short.[17] The club officials were fired by the Swans one week later.
In 1996, Essendon were fined a record $638,250 ($250,000 in back tax and penalties, $112,000 for draft tampering and $276,250 for breaching the salary cap regulations), forfeited their first, second and third round picks in the National Draft and were excluded from the 1997 rookie and pre-season drafts after a joint Australian Tax Office and AFL investigation found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totalling $514,500 between 1991 and 1996.[18]
Ten other clubs were fined in 1996 for minor breaches in a crackdown following the Sydney incident the year before: Fitzroy, St Kilda and North Melbourne ($30,000 each), Richmond ($20,000), and Brisbane, Collingwood, the Western Bulldogs, Fremantle, Hawthorn and the West Coast Eagles ($10,000 each).
In 1997, Port Adelaide was fined $50,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of five players.[19]
In 1998, the West Coast Eagles were fined $100,000 and forfeited their third round pick in the National Draft after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by a total of $165,000 during the 1997 and 1998 seasons.
Geelong were fined $77,000 in 1998 and excluded from the 1999 pre-season draft after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $154,000 during the 1997 season.
Four other clubs were fined in 1998 for minor breaches after an AFL investigation: Collingwood ($47,500), Hawthorn ($45,000), Richmond ($21,000) and the Western Bulldogs ($5,300). Collingwood and Richmond were also excluded from the 1999 pre-season draft.[20]
In 1999, Melbourne were fined $600,000 and forfeited their first, second and third round picks in the National Draft for two years after it was found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totalling $810,000 between 1995 and 1998. Fremantle were handed Melbourne's first round pick for the 1999 National Draft as compensation for losing ruckman Jeff White to Melbourne.
Two other clubs were fined in 1999 for minor breaches: Carlton ($43,800) and Geelong ($20,000); Carlton were also excluded from the 2000 pre-season draft.[21]
In 2000, Fremantle were fined $54,400 and excluded from the 2001 pre-season draft for a string of minor breaches. Fremantle's poor 2001 season (in which it won the wooden spoon) has been put down to this penalty.
Four other clubs were fined in 2000 for minor breaches: North Melbourne ($35,000), Richmond ($10,000), Brisbane ($7,500), and Melbourne ($5,000). [22]
In 2001, Carlton were fined $125,150, forfeited their second and third round picks in the 2001 National Draft and were excluded from the 2002 pre-season draft after it was found that they had failed to disclose payments totaling $239,900 to captain Craig Bradley and incorrectly lodged an additional services agreement document during the 1998 and 1999 seasons.
Three other clubs were fined in 2001 for minor breaches: Richmond and North Melbourne ($20,000 each) and Melbourne ($5,000).[23]
In 2002, Carlton were fined a record $987,500 and forfeited their priority picks in the National Draft, their first and second round picks in the National Draft for two years and were excluded from the 2003 pre-season draft after an AFL investigation found that they had committed serious and systematic breaches of the salary cap regulations totaling $1.37 million between 1998 and 2001; ruckman Matthew Allan was suspended for five matches and fined $10,000 for accepting undisclosed payments from club officials. Carlton struggled for seven years as it recovered both on and off the field from these significant penalties, finishing no higher than 11th in 2004 and winning their first-ever wooden spoons in 2002, 2005 and 2006. After the draft ban expired, Carlton received a multitude of priority and first round draft picks. [24]
Fremantle were fined $80,000 in 2002 for late and incorrect lodgement of documents relating to the financial and contract details of four players.
In 2003, Brisbane were fined $260,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of 26 players, and the Western Bulldogs were fined $30,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of three players after a crackdown in light of the Carlton scandal the year before.
Essendon were fined $85,000 in 2003 but did not have any points deducted after it was found that they had exceeded the salary cap by $106,000 during the 2002 season.[25]
In 2004, Melbourne were fined $30,000 for incorrect lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of three players.[26]
In 2005, St Kilda were fined $40,000 for a minor breach in regards to minor sponsor Xbox providing players with the game machines. [27] Brian Waldron, Matt Hanson and Cameron Vale, the club's CEO, CFO and Financial Officer at the time, are currently under investigation by ASIC, the Australian Tax Office, the Victorian State Revenue Office and the Victoria Police in relation to the Melbourne Storm salary cap scandal in the NRL.
In 2006, St Kilda were fined $40,000 for late lodgement of documents relating to the contract and financial details of four players.[28]
Richmond was fined $10,000 in 2007 for late lodgement of a document relating to the contract and financial details of a player. [29]
Two clubs were fined in 2008 for minor breaches: Adelaide ($20,000) and St Kilda ($10,000).[30]

well after such a wonderful post, I need to respond.

Sometimes. On BF, not often.

Yet, it doesn't alter the essence of the statement. Carlton are renowned for rorting. Freo are renowned for incompetence. Fortunately, Freo are changing.

I really must go now, but it has been nice chatting

 

[Stronzo]

It's pretty obvious you won't be able to ultraflood our forwardline at Subi like you did at Docklands because of the size difference. The issue is do the Freagles have a plan B? Doubt Harvey will want to get involved in a shootout with our talented young side. He's hoping the extra legs his players have as a result of his much publicized cheating will be enough to get them across the line. It'll certainly help - no question. We'll juts have to play that much better to negate those factors. Will be interesting.

I hope it is a shootout, we've got many more attacking options than the blues.

 

[spudmaster]

I hope it is a shootout, we've got many more attacking options than the blues.

Yes, a whopping 1.7 at 3tr time for a finishing grand total of 39 certainly indicates it...

Blues by 116 also

 

[Stronzo]

Yes, a whopping 1.7 at 3tr time for a finishing grand total of 39 certainly indicates it...

Blues by 116 also

 

[cookie monster]

I hope it is a shootout, we've got many more attacking options than the blues.

I've been casting my eye over this entire thread, and have to say this is by far the most whacked out comment there is. Whatever mate, just go with it

 

[Sman-21]

oh how quickly carlton fans forget u do realise we have beaten u guys something like 11 out of the last 13 times we have played.

An when we beat u this week im praying that brisbane win so that we finish 5th and carlton finish 8th.

U will soon see how much of a burden travel is when u guys have to travel to perth for the 2nd week in a row.
May even hear ratten saying how much of a toll the travel takes on the players an he wished he planned ahead an rested a couple of players in the rnd 22 game.

 

[Aphrodite]

oh how quickly carlton fans forget u do realise we have beaten u guys something like 11 out of the last 13 times we have played.

An when we beat u this week im praying that brisbane win so that we finish 5th and carlton finish 8th.

U will soon see how much of a burden travel is when u guys have to travel to perth for the 2nd week in a row.
May even hear ratten saying how much of a toll the travel takes on the players an he wished he planned ahead an rested a couple of players in the rnd 22 game.

OH FFS how many times have I read this same statement in this thread even after 20 pages ........

Like a friggin broken record


STFU !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


ALL OF YOU ................

YES ALL OF YOU ............





Freo supporters that is !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[Aphrodite]

You better watch out McPhlee

Ratten calls for check on tags

CARLTON coach Brett Ratten has urged the umpires to give his ball-winning midfielders the protection they deserve in tonight's ladder-shaping AFL clash with Fremantle at Subiaco Oval.

When the teams met in round 13, Ratten was highly critical of the negating tactics used by Dockers veteran Adam McPhee to impede Chris Judd.

Ratten calls for check on tags

 

[Silvagnis]

Our form is down, we are missing some key players (Tarrant and Barlow, and maybe a couple more depending on selection) and having such a young list the fatigue issue is real, not just an excuse in case we lose.

If you're fatigued, maybe you should have rested your players last week.

Oh wait.

You don't hear Carlton fans bemoaning the fact Kreuzer and Lucas are missing from our best 22.

Yet Carlton are fielding a younger side than Fremantle this week.

I read in The Australian that the rested players were watching on last week, so they still flew to Tasmania and sat through another long flight.

Great idea.

I hope it is a shootout, we've got many more attacking options than the blues.

If that's the case, WC will take the redundant Ballantyne off your hands and give you pick four for your surplus forward.

I hope you've got some players to cover our attacking options with Tarrant and the dud Silvagni missing due to injury.

On paper, your midfield doesn't look like world beaters with Barlow and Palmer missing.

Hill's nightmare run with his failure to beat a tag this year might continue if Carrazzo runs to him. Carrazzo usually plays well against one dimension mids such as Davey, Dal Santo and Rich. Would have the running power to take Hill after he played on Ablett last week and held him when he was in the midfield.

McPhee might have three Tasmanians running through him if he even looks at Judd this week.

I hope Pavlich's soft skin doesn't tear again if he cops another errant elbow to his face.

God knows how the great man missed his nose.

Flirting with home final

"With what's at stake - a Melbourne final - we don't want to be travelling back here again next week, for the bodies and also the mental factor, as well," Russell said.

"The four points are massive this week."

"We've played well at the MCG for most of this year and we travel really well, also, so I think the boys are quietly confident, but we'll have to wait and see tomorrow."

"Obviously if things go our way and we get across the line, we get a home final. We went to Brisbane last year and it would be good to win one final and be able to play in front of all your fans back in Melbourne," he said. "If things work our way, we might even be playing Fremantle in Melbourne.

"And to have 60,000 people, or however many, rock up, all on our side, would be an amazing feeling.

Fremantle last night announced 10 changes.

"Ten is amazing," Russell said. "It all depends on who comes in, if three or four come in (to the Carlton side) it's a bit of a fresh change ... or if they're getting their first crack it can lift the boys up, but I'm not too sure how 10 would go."

Flirting with home final

 

[Sman-21]

since harvey likes answering back to ratten.

I hope he calls for the umps to check on the scragging,blocking,arm chopping,negating tactics etc that happens to sandilands every game.
If the umpires did their job properly he would even be more dominant in games but they continue to allow these negating tactics that if it happened to any other player would get a free kick.

An judd doesnt have to worry about mcphee word is Pav wants revenge an has been training all week elbowing the wall.

 

[Aphrodite]

since harvey likes answering back to ratten.

I hope he calls for the umps to check on the scragging,blocking,arm chopping,negating tactics etc that happens to sandilands every game.
If the umpires did their job properly he would even be more dominant in games but they continue to allow these negating tactics that if it happened to any other player would get a free kick.

An judd doesnt have to worry about mcphee word is Pav wants revenge an has been training all week elbowing the wall with his nose .

Oh boo hoo !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!