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funny thing is, finishing 10th isn't outside the realms of possibility... a slow start to the season could lead to a loss of confidence, a couple of injuries to crucial players during an "easy" run could see a team lose 3 or 4 games they would've had locked in as wins...a couple of narrow loses to teams fighting for the 8th spot and you're really behind the 8 ball...
it's quite likely that bradshaw doesn't get himself right in 2011 and we're a man short in the forward line... bolton is no certainty to come back from injury (or they could lead to other complications)... LRT could have another injury interrupted season leaving us short in defence... and *touch wood* but goodes is nearing the age where injury can rob you of a good part of the season ala leo barry, crouch, bolton...
but in saying that...we've got a decent amount of depth... so barring a horror run we'll be able to manage most injuries and should remain competitive...
i'd say we can move a couple of spots up or could slide quite a bit depending on injuries
it's quite likely that bradshaw doesn't get himself right in 2011 and we're a man short in the forward line... bolton is no certainty to come back from injury (or they could lead to other complications)... LRT could have another injury interrupted season leaving us short in defence... and *touch wood* but goodes is nearing the age where injury can rob you of a good part of the season ala leo barry, crouch, bolton...
but in saying that...we've got a decent amount of depth... so barring a horror run we'll be able to manage most injuries and should remain competitive...
i'd say we can move a couple of spots up or could slide quite a bit depending on injuries
Where is the improvement going to come from?
There are a number of teams with lots of youth that appear to be improving: Melbourne, Fremantle, Hawthorn, Carlton, even Adelaide and North. Where the Swans finish will depend on how much they can improve in respect to those sides. The difference between 6th and 10th is only a couple of wins.
There are a number of teams with lots of youth that appear to be improving: Melbourne, Fremantle, Hawthorn, Carlton, even Adelaide and North. Where the Swans finish will depend on how much they can improve in respect to those sides. The difference between 6th and 10th is only a couple of wins.
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Same place as for any other club. Given their relative lack of experience, it isn't unreasonable to hope for some improvement from Mumford, Kennedy, Hannebery, Jetta, White, Pyke, Trent Dennis-Lane, Meredith, Smith, Rohan. Even someone like Jack can add more, especially if he can play the whole season close to the form he showed for the last two months. Every club's supporters can reel off a similar list of players and not all will improve next year, some may get injured, but improvement from this group is as feasible as from any other club's list.
There is often very little between teams who finish 3rd-14th. There is almost always very little between teams who finish 5th-12th. Luck with injuries, the draw and the result of tight games will determine where we finish in those ranges next year.
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I agree completely with my fellow Swans brethren. But even this year we proved we do have depth to cover the loss of a few major players. We still have the likes of Reid who was outstanding in the R22 clash against Brisbane. Depth is what separates clubs, Collingwood had a ton this year and hence won a flag.
Something the Swans will have to do in 2011 if they want to improve their ladder position is play 4 quarters. Looking back on 2010 I can't recall a game off the top of my head where the Swans had there foot on the pedal for more than a half a game. The plan seemed to be blitz a team for half the game, then tread water for the other half. Sometimes they hung on as their opponent came back, other times they were over-run. Even early in the season when the blew the likes of Adelaide, Richmond, North and West Coast away, they did it in 1 or 2 quarters.
Only twice did it come back to bite us - in Round 14 against Richmond, and in the Semi against the Dogs - but next year is another story.
If we can figure out how to play 4 quarters regularly, we'll give the top 4 a big shake.
Continue to play half a game and get lucky in the close ones, we'll scrape into the 8 a la 2010.
Play half a game and get unlucky in the close ones it'll be a slide down the ladder.
Swans could end up anywhere in 2011. They could win the premiership, they could finish last - neither would shock me.
But if it's top 4 they want, they need to up the intensity a notch.
Only twice did it come back to bite us - in Round 14 against Richmond, and in the Semi against the Dogs - but next year is another story.
If we can figure out how to play 4 quarters regularly, we'll give the top 4 a big shake.
Continue to play half a game and get lucky in the close ones, we'll scrape into the 8 a la 2010.
Play half a game and get unlucky in the close ones it'll be a slide down the ladder.
Swans could end up anywhere in 2011. They could win the premiership, they could finish last - neither would shock me.
But if it's top 4 they want, they need to up the intensity a notch.
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If everything goes well (no injuries, right players in form, right results around you) - 3rd to 7th?
If everything goes horribly wrong (injuries, players out of form, coach doesn't work out etc) - bottom 4, or the old 9-12.
If everything goes horribly wrong (injuries, players out of form, coach doesn't work out etc) - bottom 4, or the old 9-12.
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It is really hard to say, I think they are in the same group with about 8 or 9 clubs that could finish anywhere from just outside the top 4 to just out of the bottom 4. It comes down to how many games they can pick up. This year there were times the Swans were vying for top 4 position and a few weeks later trying to hold onto a spot in the 8. It is just too even to realistically predict, if you get it right then it is just luck.
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Hahaha. I'd give the 'preview post' button a go if I was you...
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Collingwood v Sydney GF would be...awesome. You could have the David v Goliath storyline all week, good guys v bad guys. Evil empire v humanity's last best hope etc etc. Ideally we're down by 6 goals at 3 quarter time, the Collingwood chant starts and we shut em up with the greatest quarter of footy in GF history.
Or that's what I'm hoping for the last game of 2011.
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Very good judgement, IMO.
Swans are a competitive side, but I can't see them moving up unless a team above them falters and a couple of others who are thereabouts don't improve.
Their 2010 season was really bookended by streaks of 5 wins at the start of the year and 5 wins at the end of the year (including a final). Those wins came against an injury-crippled Adelaide, Richmond, North, West Coast, Brisbane (twice), Hawthorn, a weary Fremantle, out of form Bulldogs, and Carlton. Mid-season they only won 4 games in a 12 game stretch.
Will they get the same draw again? Remember they only played Collingwood once. Had they played them twice, instead of say, Brisbane, that's most likely one less win and they finish 7th and play an away final first up.
So, most likely will finish anywhere between 5th and 14th. I would probably tip 9th, as I expect improvement from a few teams below them. But we already know they have one home ground loss pencilled in (Collingwood), so they need to make the most of HG advantage before GWS enter.
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He explained it on the Swans board a while ago. Can't remember exactly what it was. Fairly good reason though.. Roosy banging his mrs or some such.
while that's true, after our 5 from 6 start we got hit with a couple of injuries, bolton & seaby went down, mcglynn got injured after a red hot start, mumford got suspended for two games and we had a stretch where we played geelong, bulldogs (2 of our bogey teams), a resurgent Hawthorn & red hot fremantle...all while we were recovering from injuries to key players... but as you said, that was balanced out by the end of the season where we were in great form and hit some teams that were down on theirs, hawthorn, bulldogs, freo & brisbane...
so you're right, we had the rub of the green at some parts, but also had a tough run... the promising thing about the swans is when we had our end of season resurgence it was the young guys who really stood up, and the old brigade playing more of a bit part... in the past it was the older players carrying the youth...
They will finish somewhere in the Top 17 I'm sure.
I've got them finishing 9th behind the Pies, Saints, Dockers, Cats, Hawks, Dogs, Dees and the Scum/Cheats.
Decent side but that is all.
*Not as good as the Top 4 I listed
*The Hawks are a far more talented side and will be better next year than this in my opinion (especially if Burgoyne continues to gel with the rest)
*The Dogs will slide but only a bit because they got limited contribution from those who are leaving this year and they are bringing in 2 of the best draftees in the pool via the father/son rule (Wallis is a gun)
*The Dees will continue to improve incrementally and be a force the year after
*The Cheats will front run enough games to blow some sides away and Judd will win a few on his own
The Swans have a fair sprinkling of young talent but there are 5 or 6 sides with clearly better lists and the young talent a the Dees and Dockers is considerably better IMO.
I've got them finishing 9th behind the Pies, Saints, Dockers, Cats, Hawks, Dogs, Dees and the Scum/Cheats.
Decent side but that is all.
*Not as good as the Top 4 I listed
*The Hawks are a far more talented side and will be better next year than this in my opinion (especially if Burgoyne continues to gel with the rest)
*The Dogs will slide but only a bit because they got limited contribution from those who are leaving this year and they are bringing in 2 of the best draftees in the pool via the father/son rule (Wallis is a gun)
*The Dees will continue to improve incrementally and be a force the year after
*The Cheats will front run enough games to blow some sides away and Judd will win a few on his own
The Swans have a fair sprinkling of young talent but there are 5 or 6 sides with clearly better lists and the young talent a the Dees and Dockers is considerably better IMO.
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This. Bradshaw could be the difference, if he goes down then it's up to White to take charge but after White's season this year, I'm not so sure he's capable of kicking a bag or turning a game on it's head like Bradshaw can. Lewis Johnstone will be an interesting one but I don't expect him to do the same either.
Even though we were without Bradshaw for a majority of this year, there were games where we were lacking good forward pressure and a proper leading target.
