It's Australia bidding,not just one code-Steve Waugh

[Checker Hughes]

http://www.adelaidenow.com.au/sport...-for-our-cup-bid/story-e6frectl-1225945626999
AUSTRALIAN cricket legend Steve Waugh has urged all Australians to get behind the 2022 World Cup bid, as new research reveals the tournament could attract the largest television audience in history. Waugh, who has helped mentor the Socceroos in an unofficial capacity since the 2007 Asian Cup, said Australia's chances to host the tournament were "better than 50-50" and supporters of all sports needed to back the bid for the good of the nation.
"I think the benefits for the country far outweigh the negative impacts, possibly, for some of those other sports in the short term," the former Test captain said. "It really is Australia bidding, not just one code."

 

[Checker Hughes]

http://theworldgame.sbs.com.au/australia/news/1008005/waugh-visits-roos,-supports-bid

Former Australian cricket captain Steve Waugh has announced his support for Australia's bid to host a FIFA World Cup.




Waugh will be in South Africa to cheer on the Socceroos during the 2010 FIFA World Cup tournament, while also supporting Australia’s bid to host the 2022 tournament.
In 1983, Waugh was selected to play in the Australian Schoolboy football team, before a career in cricket quickly took over.
Waugh is recognised in the cricket and wider sports world, at the highest levels. He is also a member of the prestigious Laureus World Sports Academy.
“In 18 years of touring as a professional cricketer, I saw many different countries, but Australia’s ability as a nation to host successful major events, together with the welcoming nature of the Australian people, always made me feel proud,” said Waugh.
“Australia is a sports loving nation that is ready to host the greatest show on earth, the FIFA World Cup.”
Waugh now joins a range of other Australian icons and celebrities who support Australia’s bid.

 

[Checker Hughes]

A great ambassador for our country.
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[Michael2010]

Steve Waugh will always be a legend The work that he does for charities etc never gets reported either, he's a champion through and through

 

[Checker Hughes]

Waugh, whose charity the Steve Waugh Foundation assists children with rare diseases in Australia and India, has seen first-hand the massive economic growth in Asia.

"We're all part of Asia, it's all connected, and if our bid is successful it will strengthen the game all over the region. Europe and South America are the hubs of soccer but I can see Asia joining them."

 

[Checker Hughes]

Wouldn't be surprised to see him at the final presentation on the 2nd

 

[Redb#]

Steve Waugh is being an ignorant dolt with thsoe comments. The FFA and Ben Buckley specificially has stated the WC will be a 'turbo charger' for soccer in Australia and the A League supposedly.

Its very much about one code. Frank Lowy would not have it any other way.

 

[Munro_Mick]

Steve Waugh is being an ignorant dolt with thsoe comments. The FFA and Ben Buckley specificially has stated the WC will be a 'turbo charger' for soccer in Australia and the A League supposedly.

Its very much about one code. Frank Lowy would not have it any other way.

On one hand Waugh says :

"I think the benefits for the country far outweigh the negative impacts, possibly, for some of those other sports in the short term," the former Test captain said. "It really is Australia bidding, not just one code."

then follows up with :

"We're all part of Asia, it's all connected, and if our bid is successful it will strengthen the game all over the region. Europe and South America are the hubs of soccer but I can see Asia joining them."

So, it looks more about doing FIFA's Asian game development job for them??

 

[McCrann]

Steve Waugh is being an ignorant dolt with thsoe comments. The FFA and Ben Buckley specificially has stated the WC will be a 'turbo charger' for soccer in Australia and the A League supposedly.

Its very much about one code. Frank Lowy would not have it any other way.

I do wonder if Steve can see the correlation between appaling one-day crowds, and viewing numbers, in Australia this Summer (and in recent Summers indeed), and the growing number of sporting options available in Summer?

We now have a new Baseball League, the NBL has restarted and plonked a team back in Sydney, and oh yes, we even have an A-League trying to get headlines during throughout the cricket season these days.

If I was Steve Waugh I'd be more worried about the sad and sorry state of cricket in this country than be jumping on the FFA bandwagon to host a World Cup.

 

[Checker Hughes]

Attacking a great hero of Australia for no good reason but extreme ignorance.
Was wondering who it would be and how long it would take.2 of you were obviously favourites to respond

So petty-small men

WTF is so wrong with a legacy to football-the code would be providing an incredible nation building opportunity,of which sport is only 8% of the spending and of that the AFL are by far the biggest beneficiaries

So pathetic,so predictable

 

[Redb#]

On one hand Waugh says :

"I think the benefits for the country far outweigh the negative impacts, possibly, for some of those other sports in the short term," the former Test captain said. "It really is Australia bidding, not just one code."

then follows up with :

"We're all part of Asia, it's all connected, and if our bid is successful it will strengthen the game all over the region. Europe and South America are the hubs of soccer but I can see Asia joining them."

So, it looks more about doing FIFA's Asian game development job for them??

Yep blind Freddy can see it. Its nothing but spin from Waugh who is probably on the FFA payroll these days.

As McCrann says cricket could do with a helping hand.

Of course the cheerleaders are going to lap it up like lapdogs.

 

[Munro_Mick]

Attacking a great hero of Australia for no good reason but extreme ignorance.
Was wondering who it would be and how long it would take.2 of you were obviously favourites to respond

So petty-small men

WTF is so wrong with a legacy to football-the code would be providing an incredible nation building opportunity,of which sport is only 8% of the spending and of that the AFL are by far the biggest beneficiaries

So pathetic,so predictable

Pretty good reasons for questioning S.Waugh in helping promote an event for a code that is in direct summer competition with cricket.

Did he get paid?? That's a fair question to ask? Openness and honesty, ..... no worries mate.

re legacy - soccer had their chance in MElbourne.......chose to ignore AAMI park, and a possible upgrade and soccer/rectangular field legacy, and picked a fight instead.

Stop whinging now that the AFL gets the benefits. How many chances should the Vic Govt give to the FFA (given the FFA a far from a business partner in major projects, unlike the AFL, who invest and partner in projects all over the country.).

 

[mustapha]

Attacking a great hero of Australia for no good reason but extreme ignorance.
Was wondering who it would be and how long it would take.2 of you were obviously favourites to respond

So petty-small men

WTF is so wrong with a legacy to football-the code would be providing an incredible nation building opportunity,of which sport is only 8% of the spending and of that the AFL are by far the biggest beneficiaries

So pathetic,so predictable

It is a shame but you could not have expected anything else.

 

[Checker Hughes]

Pretty good reasons for questioning S.Waugh in helping promote an event for a code that is in direct summer competition with cricket.

Did he get paid?? That's a fair question to ask? Openness and honesty, ..... no worries mate.

re legacy - soccer had their chance in MElbourne.......chose to ignore AAMI park, and a possible upgrade and soccer/rectangular field legacy, and picked a fight instead.

Stop whinging now that the AFL gets the benefits. How many chances should the Vic Govt give to the FFA (given the FFA a far from a business partner in major projects, unlike the AFL, who invest and partner in projects all over the country.).

You would actually be the dumbest troll thats been involved in the 379 threads in this forum
How old are you-14??

This will be the last time I respond to anything you post
If you want any tips on proper trolling just PM Barkly ffs,who btw has at least been reasonable in the last month because its so juvenile to carry on.Yep we got the point -for a year,thread after thread.We would have liked just a month troll free,but twats like you can't help yourself.
Steve Waugh actually likes the game of football.He played in the Australia schoolboys team in 1983 as if you didn't already know

 

[Munro_Mick]

You would actually be the dumbest troll thats been involved in the 379 threads in this forum
How old are you-14??

This will be the last time I respond to anything you post
If you want any tips on proper trolling just PM Barkly ffs,who btw has at least been reasonable in the last month because its so juvenile to carry on.Yep we got the point -for a year,thread after thread.We would have liked just a month troll free,but twats like you can't help yourself.
Steve Waugh actually likes the game of football.He played in the Australia schoolboys team in 1983 as if you didn't already know

I'm not the one resorting to calling names.

What's that tell us?

Steve Waugh has a far greater 'responsibility' to the game of cricket.

Could you imagine if Ian Chappell and Alan Border (both played baseball in the past) came out now promoting baseball in Australia given it's reborn again in direct opposition to cricket?

I could imagine James Sutherland secretly angered by this. He'd hardly be happy about a former test captain promoting the growth of soccer.

This is where you need to consider the two statements by Waugh.

It's one thing to promote the WC bid, but, Waugh goes on to talk about the strengthening of the game (of soccer) throughout the region (Asia). I'm not sure where that was part of the premise for a cross-code star to promote the WC bid. That goes beyond the WC bid and into game specific development.

And goes from FFA activities into the domain of FIFA activities.

Think about it this way. Tim Cahill jumps on board holding the Basketball World Championships in Sydney. Fine, good - but then he comments how it'll help develop the game of basketball throughout Oceania and Asia - - I reckon you'd raise an eyebrow at that. Because, how is game development (esp outside of our own nation) relevant to a 'cross code celebrity' promotion/endorsement of a specific event.

(for us AFL folk, imagine if Brad Green were recently retired and suddenly came out with Steve Waugh comments......ah, but, you're on Bigfooty but it's highly dubious that you have any footy interest so you probably don't know who I'm talking about??)

One thing we do know, is that loyalties get bought all the time.

(and if you don't respond, it's no loss - - you rarely ever actually respond appropriately anyway - - unable to counter specifics but dropping to name calling instead.)

 

[Redb#]

You would actually be the dumbest troll thats been involved in the 379 threads in this forum
How old are you-14??

This will be the last time I respond to anything you post
If you want any tips on proper trolling just PM Barkly ffs,who btw has at least been reasonable in the last month because its so juvenile to carry on.Yep we got the point -for a year,thread after thread.We would have liked just a month troll free,but twats like you can't help yourself.
Steve Waugh actually likes the game of football.He played in the Australia schoolboys team in 1983 as if you didn't already know

If you cant conduct yourself in a reasonable way on a forum then I suggest you get out of the 'kitchen', its clearly too hot.

 

[Redb#]

Attacking a great hero of Australia for no good reason but extreme ignorance.
Was wondering who it would be and how long it would take.2 of you were obviously favourites to respond

So petty-small men

WTF is so wrong with a legacy to football-the code would be providing an incredible nation building opportunity,of which sport is only 8% of the spending and of that the AFL are by far the biggest beneficiaries

So pathetic,so predictable

As has already been pointed out, what is wrong is that Waugh on one hand suggests its about Australia and not any particular football code and then on the other waxes on about how it will help a certain football code.

It is typical of the imperialism shown by soccer supporters using the 'national ' good when it suits their own purposes. Waugh is exposed.

 

[Checker Hughes]

Read slowly,read carefully

Sporting infrastructure is only 8% of the spending

92% ($31,500,000,000) of the spending is outside sport and is Nation building for ALL AUSTRALIA

You guys are doing your best to prevent future infrastructure being built in Australia
You guys are trying to prevent construction jobs,rail upgrades,roadworks,hotels,business links,tourism growth

Its the most insular,pathetic stance I've ever come across-and what for-because football will take 31 days out of your precious lives,and grown a few %.

Get the hell over it and support Australia

 

[Admiral Byng]

Read slowly,read carefully

Sporting infrastructure is only 8% of the spending

92% ($31,500,000,000) of the spending is outside sport and is Nation building for ALL AUSTRALIA

You guys are doing your best to prevent future infrastructure being built in Australia
You guys are trying to prevent construction jobs,rail upgrades,roadworks,hotels,business links,tourism growth

Its the most insular,pathetic stance I've ever come across-and what for-because football will take 31 days out of your precious lives,and grown a few %.

Get the hell over it and support Australia

We are supporting Australia by opposing the bid. You just don't get it. Your assumptions that this represents some great bonanza for the nation are wrong. We have tried to explain this patiently, but you don't seem to understand. Please stop accusing us of being unpatriotic, we are trying to save the nation from this folly.

 

[Munro_Mick]

Read slowly,read carefully

Sporting infrastructure is only 8% of the spending

92% ($31,500,000,000) of the spending is outside sport and is Nation building for ALL AUSTRALIA

You guys are doing your best to prevent future infrastructure being built in Australia
You guys are trying to prevent construction jobs,rail upgrades,roadworks,hotels,business links,tourism growth

Its the most insular,pathetic stance I've ever come across-and what for-because football will take 31 days out of your precious lives,and grown a few %.

Get the hell over it and support Australia

Read slowly,read carefully

Sporting infrastructure is only 8% of the spending

92% ($31,500,000,000) of the spending is outside sport and is Nation building for ALL AUSTRALIA

You guys are doing your best to prevent future infrastructure being built in Australia
You guys are trying to prevent construction jobs,rail upgrades,roadworks,hotels,business links,tourism growth

Its the most insular,pathetic stance I've ever come across-and what for-because football will take 31 days out of your precious lives,and grown a few %.

Get the hell over it and support Australia

Throwing around some very big numbers - - do you know where they came from??


The 'cost' of holding the games was put at around $2.9 billion.

This 'spending' is $35 billion compared to the $9 billion that the Sydney Olympics allegedly generated.

Don't imagine for a minute that event revenues will somehow offset or pay for the construction expenditure. And the construction expenditure accounts for over 75% of that $35 billion 'spending' you're trumpeting. Where's the money coming from??

IBISworld break it down like so:
IBISWorld forecasts that the 2022 FIFA World Cup in Australia would produce the following football-induced spending:

Industry
Spending ($ millions)
% of total spending
Construction
26,800
75.4
Transport operators
1,500
4.2
Retailers
1,859
5.2
Merchandisers
463
1.3
Licensed venues
2,772
7.8
Bookmakers
188
0.5
Hotels
1,490
4.2
Restaurants
490
1.4
Total
35,562
100





The construction industry would be the biggest winner of Australia hosting the 2022 FIFA World Cup, with IBISWorld forecasting spending totalling $26.8 billion on a wide range of major infrastructure projects, including building new stadia, upgrading existing stadia, enhancing air, rail and road links, improving telecommunications networks and beautifying the ten host cities and their environs.
"New stadia would be built in Blacktown, Canberra and Perth, major upgrades would take place to existing stadia in Adelaide, Geelong, Gold Coast, Newcastle and Townsville, while Sydney Football Stadium and Stadium Australia, the 2000 Olympics site, would get minor refurbs," said Mr Bryant.

I guess for such big numbers - this is the key line.

"While some of the infrastructure spending has been planned and would be brought forward should Australia's World Cup bid be successful, much of it is dependent on Football Federation Australia convincing a majority of the 24 members of FIFA's Executive Committee to come play in 2022."

Well, we know major stadia in Perth, Adelaide, Geelong and Gold Coast are happening anyway irrespective of WC. And yet they've included these expenditures in full.

Seems like they're doing all they can to inflate the figures, and their claim is 'bringing forward' of projects. Now, that may or may not be the case with perhaps a Melb rail link to the airport and I've said all along if the WC bid were won and that helped that project happen - - then I'd be happy - I'm easy to please.

I'm not anti the whole thing - - I just want honest accounting here.

75% of this 'spending' is construction. Firstly, how much of this seriously would happen anyway? And how much is just a trivial displacement of spending that could/would be used more usefully elsewhere (i.e. Fed funds for local beautification??? - I hope not.)

But, as we AFL folk have pointed out all along - the AFL and NRL help make stadia expenditure far from 'white elephant' territory that has occured in Japan, and might be seen as the result in Sth AFrica and has thwarted Sydney (i.e. under used venues, cost too much to maintain). That's a good thing. We've already crossed that river. Spending should be able to be pretty well directed. However, 12 years is a long time b/w now and then - - a lot of these projects would be happening anyway. Brought forward - perhaps??

Anyway - You seem to confuse questioning with being anti something.

Isn't that rather a facist attitude??

btw - some of IBISworlds assumptions. http://www.ibisworld.com.au/pressrelease/pressrelease.aspx?prid=233

Retail spending up $1.86 billion - all the TVs, personal media devices etc - and $463 million on licensed merchandise - alas, in Germany, home of Addidas, they reap a far greater GDP benefit. In Sth Korea, home of LG, Samsung etc - they reap a far greater GDP benefit. In Australia, we'll just get the retailer margin on it and ship the other profits back off shore. So, work out the profit margins we get to keep here?


$1.5 billion for transport operators - assuming a lot of bus hire and internal air travel. Probably fair - depending how much various teams get shunted around such a large nation......this though is a double edged sword - massive distances might be a turn off for people with such great TVs are purchased according to the previous assumption!!!!

500,000 international visitors each spending $9000.

Keep mindful, that for NSW alone in the Year ending Jun 2010, received 2.8 billion international overnight visitors. So, for NSW alone, that's over 230,000 a month. NSW claims 52.7% of visitors, so, nationally, about 5.5 million visitors annually. Div by 12, that's about 460,000 per month.(source Tourism NSW : http://corporate.tourism.nsw.gov.au/Sites/SiteID6/objLib12/Total-NSW-YE-Jun-10.pdf)
Totalling 63.2 million 'nights' in NSW. NSW claims 34.6% of the night in Australia market. So, annually, roughly 190-200 million international visitor 'nights' in Australia.
Note - QLD claims just under 2 million international visitors for 2010, and about 39 million 'nights'. (http://www.oesr.qld.gov.au/products/tables/international-tourism-visitors-no/index.php)

I'm just trying to work out, if this 500,000 international visitors for the month of the FIFA WC does little more than replace the normal tourism flow (roughly 460,000 - although, perhaps June/July are the low months) then, the benefits are overstated - - if it ADDS to it, then fine. But let's be clear - is it attracting 500,000 to add 100,000?? People not coming for the WC won't come during it, because, it'll be too crowded and too expensive. Normal activity and spending is put on hold, diverted elsewhere, or redirected into major event related spending and claimed to be 'additional spending'!!!

Let's be careful about throwing around massive numbers and claiming everything. IBIS world has made zero mention of displacement.

(and how much would be offsetting regular expenditure on day to day items or......AFL/NRL/ARU and therefore subject to compensation?)

 

[Redb#]

Now you've gone and done it Mick, hit him with way too many facts and information.

 

[Checker Hughes]

Very happy to provide a free service to the poster that I think does the most trolling over the next two weeks.
The service will include extreme scrutiny of all government grants to that club,negative publicity etc
Being rather resourceful,I have ways of getting the message through.Could do some fantastic damage to said club and it would be an honour to carry on the great tradition thats been forged right here

At the moment North Melbourne is looking very good

 

[Munro_Mick]

Very happy to provide a free service to the poster that I think does the most trolling over the next two weeks.
The service will include extreme scrutiny of all government grants to that club,negative publicity etc
Being rather resourceful,I have ways of getting the message through.Could do some fantastic damage to said club and it would be an honour to carry on the great tradition thats been forged right here

At the moment North Melbourne is looking very good

Get over yourself.

You brought up the $35 billion in spending.

And now you don't want to look at the numbers and logic behind it.

And instead, revert to childish crap like this.

You do yourself and your cause a massive disservice.

Have a read of this article (from the SMH, last Dec) and tell me whether it doesn't concern you : http://www.smh.com.au/opinion/polit...money-is-just-not-sporting-20091226-lfn6.html

A broad survey of the economics literature published in Econ Journal Watch in September last year found an overwhelming consensus that these economic benefits are either insignificant or totally non-existent. In fact, there's stronger agreement among economists about the uselessness of mega events and sports subsidies than there is about the benefits of free trade or the need to eliminate farm subsidies.
Certainly, the Victorian Government believes its mega events strategy has made this state $1 billion richer. They have studies! But these economic impact studies - machine-produced by pliant consulting firms and uncritically accepted by governments looking to justify their actions - rarely take into account the lost revenue from locals who leave when events come to town, or who avoid going out. Or that some money spent on tickets comes at the expense of other local entertainment. Or that there might be better, more productive ways to use the Government's limited funds.

Any serious discussion on this topic has to be able to back up it's claims of big numbers. And you don't even want to discuss it.

 

[Zidane98]

We are supporting Australia by opposing the bid. You just don't get it. Your assumptions that this represents some great bonanza for the nation are wrong. We have tried to explain this patiently, but you don't seem to understand. Please stop accusing us of being unpatriotic, we are trying to save the nation from this folly.

Look, we understand you aren't the greatest fan of football but it is embarrassingly obvious to all that your indifference towards hosting the World Cup stems more from your dislike of the sport then any real nation of trying to save your nation. I think it is pretty pathetic that you are disguising your dislike of football as "saving the nation from this folly". By the way, if you could point me in the direction of your anti Olympics rants it would be much appreciated. Not surprisingly, since it wasn't a football only tournament, you were not so vehemently against it.

 

[Munro_Mick]

Look, we understand you aren't the greatest fan of football but it is embarrassingly obvious to all that your indifference towards hosting the World Cup stems more from your dislike of the sport then any real nation of trying to save your nation. I think it is pretty pathetic that you are disguising your dislike of football as "saving the nation from this folly". By the way, if you could point me in the direction of your anti Olympics rants it would be much appreciated. Not surprisingly, since it wasn't a football only tournament, you were not so vehemently against it.

That's rather childish - - how many people were blogging in the early/mid 1990s around the Olympics 2000 bid timetable.

btw - many in Victoria were p!$$ed off that Sydney had not supported the Melb 96 bid quite as well as could have been done. I might suggest had there been the opportunity then that there might well have been a fair bit of anti-bid sentiment.

How though - is that at all relevant here?? Instead of arguing specifics, you continue to attempt to go the man instead of the ball (yourself and Checker both - very poor form.).