Alan Toovey

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Malthouse player, doesn't suit Buck's plans as much and it reflects that in the offers he's been given.

If the Pies won't offer him a decent contract the certainly don't rate him high enough to hold too much to demand.
 
Hard to know whether this is just the manager's bizarre way to drawing our more cash - when there's none - or whether he really wants to leave. Very good small/medium defender, but I can't see him attracting anything more than a 2nd round pick.
 

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Must be a pretty ordinary offer we've put on the table, whatever another club is willing to offer would be overs if it puts him in their top 10 paid players, but somewhere in the 11-20 region is probably reasonable.
 
Would look for an appropriate player in return rather than look at picks.
Wouldn't accept a pick outside of the top 10 for Toovey - and still think we would be on the losing end of the trade with that top 10 pick.

Would think Geelong would look at him. In the right age group and would make them even better.

Would consider a trade for Trent West. We need a replacement for Leigh Brown and with Jolly nearing the end would be a logical choice because he can play that no.2 role for the time being and once Jolly retires West can take over as no.1 ruckman to keep us competitive while Witts+Ceglar are developing.

Salary cap while both are on the edge shouldn't be a big issue for either team in this trade since it's player for player - even though Toovey would be the higher earner.

Geelong can replace West easily enough with Vardy developing well as that no.2 ruck. And Dawson Simpson isn't bad as a future no.1 ruck either.

Probably the closest thing Collingwood could salvage as being close to a win-win. But Geelong would be clear winners and get a near AA defender out of it - which while painful, might be necessary if this contract won't happen.
 
Not sure which clubs would trade a 2nd round pick based on what is being reported. Would tell him to nominate and put a price on his head, think thats been done before.
 
Knightmare said:
Would look for an appropriate player in return rather than look at picks.
Wouldn't accept a pick outside of the top 10 for Toovey - and still think we would be on the losing end of the trade with that top 10 pick.

Would think Geelong would look at him. In the right age group and would make them even better.

Would consider a trade for Trent West. We need a replacement for Leigh Brown and with Jolly nearing the end would be a logical choice because he can play that no.2 role for the time being and once Jolly retires West can take over as no.1 ruckman to keep us competitive while Witts+Ceglar are developing.

Salary cap while both are on the edge shouldn't be a big issue for either team in this trade since it's player for player - even though Toovey would be the higher earner.

Geelong can replace West easily enough with Vardy developing well as that no.2 ruck. And Dawson Simpson isn't bad as a future no.1 ruck either.

Probably the closest thing Collingwood could salvage as being close to a win-win. But Geelong would be clear winners and get a near AA defender out of it - which while painful, might be necessary if this contract won't happen.
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Ive seen people over rate there players but Toovey worth a Top 10 pick?:eek:
 
toovey's manager on trade week radio...what a slimy pr1ck...sounds like either a lesbian / post op trans...
 
Knightmare said:
Would look for an appropriate player in return rather than look at picks.
Wouldn't accept a pick outside of the top 10 for Toovey - and still think we would be on the losing end of the trade with that top 10 pick.

Would think Geelong would look at him. In the right age group and would make them even better.

Would consider a trade for Trent West. We need a replacement for Leigh Brown and with Jolly nearing the end would be a logical choice because he can play that no.2 role for the time being and once Jolly retires West can take over as no.1 ruckman to keep us competitive while Witts+Ceglar are developing.

Salary cap while both are on the edge shouldn't be a big issue for either team in this trade since it's player for player - even though Toovey would be the higher earner.

Geelong can replace West easily enough with Vardy developing well as that no.2 ruck. And Dawson Simpson isn't bad as a future no.1 ruck either.

Probably the closest thing Collingwood could salvage as being close to a win-win. But Geelong would be clear winners and get a near AA defender out of it - which while painful, might be necessary if this contract won't happen.
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Think you're seriously overrating Toovey. He's a reliable role player - very good one on one, quick, agile but a liability when the ball is in his hands (see 2011 GF as evidence). Important cog in a very good team like Collingwood, but wouldn't look anywhere near as good in a lesser team.

Can't imagine the Pies getting anything more than a second round pick, especially since his manager has stated he will enter the draft if need be. Collingwood doesn't have the upper hand in this situation.

Geelong won't be getting rid of West unless he wants out. He has been on our list since 2006 and stayed loyal despite very limited opportunities. Finally got a good run of games this season and is now a premiership player. With Ottens at the end (reports are that he will play on next season, but I can't see him playing more than 12-15 games), West and Vardy are crucial going forward.
 

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Faz 2000 said:
It can't be unexpected that the Pies don't have enough cake to share around to everyone. If you build the best (or close enough) list, and you fend off GWS for Cloke, Thomas, Pendles and Swan... well... there's bugger all cake left for the little people.
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Seems the Pies + Saints are having salary cap issues.

Fortunately for the Cats it seems that all their players are playing for under market value and none of their talented kids want to leave for more money or opportunity at the moment. :rolleyes:

Anyone seen Brian Waldron?
 
Wow it'll suck losing Toovs, he's our most reliable shutdown player. We won't get anything acceptable for him, negating players aren't fashionable so he'll go someone for a second round pick or fringe player.

Fortunately for the Cats it seems that all their players are playing for under market value and none of their talented kids want to leave for more money or opportunity at the moment.
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Uh Mumford and Ablett both left for more cash in recent years.
 
fpm84 said:
Think you're seriously overrating Toovey. He's a reliable role player - very good one on one, quick, agile but a liability when the ball is in his hands (see 2011 GF as evidence). Important cog in a very good team like Collingwood, but wouldn't look anywhere near as good in a lesser team.

Can't imagine the Pies getting anything more than a second round pick, especially since his manager has stated he will enter the draft if need be. Collingwood doesn't have the upper hand in this situation.

Geelong won't be getting rid of West unless he wants out. He has been on our list since 2006 and stayed loyal despite very limited opportunities. Finally got a good run of games this season and is now a premiership player. With Ottens at the end (reports are that he will play on next season, but I can't see him playing more than 12-15 games), West and Vardy are crucial going forward.
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:thumbsu: No way could I see the Lions use pick 8 for Toovey...that would be the end of Voss and his management team

The best the lions could offer is a pick 30'ish, and most teams would be the same
 
Knightmare said:
Would look for an appropriate player in return rather than look at picks.
Wouldn't accept a pick outside of the top 10 for Toovey - and still think we would be on the losing end of the trade with that top 10 pick.

Would think Geelong would look at him. In the right age group and would make them even better.

Would consider a trade for Trent West. We need a replacement for Leigh Brown and with Jolly nearing the end would be a logical choice because he can play that no.2 role for the time being and once Jolly retires West can take over as no.1 ruckman to keep us competitive while Witts+Ceglar are developing.

Salary cap while both are on the edge shouldn't be a big issue for either team in this trade since it's player for player - even though Toovey would be the higher earner.

Geelong can replace West easily enough with Vardy developing well as that no.2 ruck. And Dawson Simpson isn't bad as a future no.1 ruck either.

Probably the closest thing Collingwood could salvage as being close to a win-win. But Geelong would be clear winners and get a near AA defender out of it - which while painful, might be necessary if this contract won't happen.
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My advice to you would have been to delete/edit this post before someone quoted it!

Toovey is a role player. Nowhere near AA.
 
Knightmare said:
Would look for an appropriate player in return rather than look at picks.
Wouldn't accept a pick outside of the top 10 for Toovey - and still think we would be on the losing end of the trade with that top 10 pick.

Would think Geelong would look at him. In the right age group and would make them even better.

Would consider a trade for Trent West. We need a replacement for Leigh Brown and with Jolly nearing the end would be a logical choice because he can play that no.2 role for the time being and once Jolly retires West can take over as no.1 ruckman to keep us competitive while Witts+Ceglar are developing.

Salary cap while both are on the edge shouldn't be a big issue for either team in this trade since it's player for player - even though Toovey would be the higher earner.

Geelong can replace West easily enough with Vardy developing well as that no.2 ruck. And Dawson Simpson isn't bad as a future no.1 ruck either.

Probably the closest thing Collingwood could salvage as being close to a win-win. But Geelong would be clear winners and get a near AA defender out of it - which while painful, might be necessary if this contract won't happen.
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pick 10 or better? Not sure if serious
 
What's he being offered at Collingwood? How much does he want?

The average afl player wage is $220k/year so I think he could realistically be expecting $300-350k/year. If he's turning down that sort of figure and asking 500k+ then he seriously over-rates his value. On the other hand if he's turning down a $200k offer then it's probably a fair enough move.

Also, trade value - i'd say pick 20-25 is about right.
 
Picks are just a lottery.

Our premiership window is over the next 3-4 years.

Not all that many top 10 picks will match Toovey's production over that period. And in all likelihood Toovey has a better career than 2-3 who go inside the top 10.

Production now is what we need if we want premierships and knowing the draft few players even inside the top 10 would help us all that much as they would help others.


The thing to take out of my post is that trading into established players is of greater interest - or should be. Then to make salary cap room if necessary we can move on the fringe types - so the McCarthy + S.Buckley types.
 
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