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kayliesharks said:
quite possibly the best thing I've ever read.
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Clubs are really only interested in their history when they can make a buck out of it.
In most clubs several of their employees barrack for other clubs, and where they work is just a job.
But hey, if an AFL club offered you a job, you'd take it too, right?
 
Mero said:
Clubs are really only interested in their history when they can make a buck out of it.
In most clubs several of their employees barrack for other clubs, and where they work is just a job.
But hey, if an AFL club offered you a job, you'd take it too, right?
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Definitely. Unless it was Essendon. :thumbsu:
 
kayliesharks said:
Definitely. Unless it was Essendon. :thumbsu:
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Obviously, clubs with museums or Halls of Fame are the most likely to do something about the history of their club.
But then, there's money in getting fans into the Museum.
From the time it was built Essendon's is probably the best Hall of Fame.
Better than the AFL have ever offered fans with their Hall of Fame, or even their section in the NSM.
I guess it's the difference between a club, which has supporters who might volunteer and have an interest in researching the history of, and the competition, who no-one barracks for.
 

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Earliest known photo of Collingwood was in 1894.
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I am going to abstain from Collingwood in diagonal stripes as I am unsure that they ever wore them.
It's one thing to say they were going to, but all anecdotal evidence would suggest they only played in vertical stripes.

As far as teams wearing Black & White stripes, the SA state side wore them before Collingwood wear formed.
Story goes that a Collingwood committee member, knowing the club was going to form was at the game looking for talent and liked the jumpers.
 
SJ said:
That article is from the Monday after their first match so the evidence is a little stronger than "they were going to" wear them.
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Fair point.
Still, it's going to generate a lot of hate mail.
It's something that needs to be 100% confirmed before I'd put it on the site.

Here's a few problems I have with it.
1. I've never heard of a team wearing diagonal stripes before.
2. Collingwood have no record of anything other than vertical stripes.
3. What they called diagonal stripes in those days, is that the same as what we call it today?

Not saying I won't just that I am reluctant until I get confirmation.
 
Mero, I was flicking through a book about past AFL grand finals, and on the page of the 1912 grand final, I saw this South Melbourne jumper:

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Source: 'More Than a Century of AFL Grand Finals' (Jim Main, Rohan Connolly)

There's a similar jumper on your site, but the monogram isn't the same.
 
Mero said:
Fair point.
Still, it's going to generate a lot of hate mail.
It's something that needs to be 100% confirmed before I'd put it on the site.

2. Collingwood have no record of anything other than vertical stripes.
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I just got a picture of this...;)

Lisa gasps, learning that these are indications of a hurricane. She goes to warn Homer, who is being violently rocked in his hammock as the wind begins to increase.
Homer: Oh Lisa! There's no record of a hurricane ever hitting Springfield.
Lisa: Yes, but the records only go back to 1978 when the Hall of Records was mysteriously blown away.

http://www.snpp.com/episodes/4F07.html
 
Mero said:
Earliest known photo of Collingwood was in 1894.
120211_1894.jpg


I am going to abstain from Collingwood in diagonal stripes as I am unsure that they ever wore them.
It's one thing to say they were going to, but all anecdotal evidence would suggest they only played in vertical stripes.

As far as teams wearing Black & White stripes, the SA state side wore them before Collingwood wear formed.
Story goes that a Collingwood committee member, knowing the club was going to form was at the game looking for talent and liked the jumpers.
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Did Collingwood go to black and white as other Association clubs already used Brittania's red, white and blue?
 

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SkyHighPie said:
Mero, I was flicking through a book about past AFL grand finals, and on the page of the 1912 grand final, I saw this South Melbourne jumper:

3483lus.png


Source: 'More Than a Century of AFL Grand Finals' (Jim Main, Rohan Connolly)

There's a similar jumper on your site, but the monogram isn't the same.
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I got two editions of that book :D
 
SkyHighPie said:
Mero, I was flicking through a book about past AFL grand finals, and on the page of the 1912 grand final, I saw this South Melbourne jumper:

3483lus.png


Source: 'More Than a Century of AFL Grand Finals' (Jim Main, Rohan Connolly)

There's a similar jumper on your site, but the monogram isn't the same.
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None of them were the same.
Each one was hand cut from felt and stitched onto the Red jumpers.
I've used the one worn by Roy Cazaly, the captain.
But almost every time you see that SMFC monogram it looks different.
 
SJ said:
Yep that's fair enough. Is it a similar situation with the Carlton sash and lack of photographic evidence?
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It's based on the weight of evidence,
The Carlton one had a mention of it.
Then there's the record of the conversation between the two clubs "we're reigning premiers, you wear a sash".
Then there's the mention they wore it again.

Collingwood, we're just at one mention of it.
 
SJ said:
Did Collingwood go to black and white as other Association clubs already used Brittania's red, white and blue?
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Yes.
The VFA were just starting to get strict on what colours clubs could wear.
And Footscray was Red, White & Blue.
But Collingwood, being a new club, were open to choosing anything as their colours. Anything, except what was already in use.
Britannia were a club that played at Victoria Park, along with a few others in the local football comp.
When Collingwood formed many of the Britannia players and officials joined the new club. But then, many of them joined Fitzroy at the same time.
The link between Britannia and Collingwood is tenuous, and people seem to make more or less of that link depending on how it suits their argument at the time.
Yes, Britannia did wear Blue & White hoops with a Red sash, and while these would have been ideal for Collingwood, given they wouldn't have had to buy jumpers, they would not have been allowed to wear those colours in the VFA.
Later, Hawthorn joined the VFA and were made to change from their Gold & Blue to Gold & Brown.
As mentioned earlier, the colours and design were apparently introduced after seeing them used by South Australia as their state jumpers.
 
E92_ said:
When are you going to add the new WCE away and Richmond pre-season jumpers, Mero?



Also, you have the Adelaide home jumper only being worn up to 2010.
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WCE AWay when it gets worn,
Richmond PS last weekend when it was worn
 

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E92_ said:
WCE wore their new away jumper last weekend.


Or are you going to add it when they wear it in the actual season?
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I only saw the Freo game.


Just changed the Away jumpers page.
 
Yep, that worked (never knew about that so thanks :)).


The eagle head is tiny bit different to that though, Mr E had some image that had a layer of the normal head over the head on the new jumper.
 
I've been speaking with Michael Roberts, the Collingwood historian.
Neither of us believe the technology existed to make woolen jumpers in a diagonal pattern, though canvas lace-ups may have been used.
The problem with canvas would the re-inforcing down the middle would have to be straight, and most likely in the secondary colour (Black) so there's one vertical stripe at least.
That said, the number of styles in the 1894 photo point to different types of vertical stripes, and none in diagonal stripes.
Collingwood did not replace jumpers often, and the likelihood of a player getting a diagonal striped jumper in 1892, only to get a vertical striped jumper in 1894 is remote to say the least.
It is more likely the journalist in The Argus was mistaken, or just plain didn't know the difference between vertical, horizontal and diagonal.
In those days, stripes were just stripes.
The thing about the manufacturing is that when you cut wool you either cut with the grain, or directly across it, otherwise it frays.
And the way wool is sewn makes it almost impossible with 1890s technology to sew a diagonal pattern with the grain.

I am not convinced what he described in The Argus was what, today, would call doagonal stripes.
 

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