Rumour Player Rift at Pies(Rumor from Wayne Carey)

[mattys123]

Either Wayne Carey reads BigFooty, or this rumour has legitimate legs.

I'd go with the latter.

Anyone who actually has been to a training session, or been in the rooms pre or post match this season knows this is utter shit.

Plus, it's a Wayne Carey rumour, he has no friends at Collingwood, in fact he has been banned from the place by the administration after the way he acted when he was assistant coach there a few years back (I won't go into detail, it's not required).

Wayne Carey was a superstar player, but as a person, and as a source on anything to do with football now, he is the exact opposite, he's irrelevant, please ignore this crap.

 

[damuzzdu]

I can tell you that the rumour is 100% untrue. This comes from inside the club. I would like to reveal my source but can't. You will just have to take my word on this. I don't normally post on threads like this...but this occasion I am doing so.

I asked my source about this exactly and was told "Forget it. Totally untrue"

 

[Freo2012]

My first instinct is to say "Nooo no way, this is COLLINGWOOD".

But the reality is that, it's a possibility it might be true. It's the same when Buck's was captain, his intensity to get the best out of himself and everyone else is not met with the same idea as everyone else. It's unfortunate.

And that is the heart of the matter. Coaching like any management is not just about having strategy and direction - its about being able to deliver it through employees - for them to take ownership of it and perform. About understanding how to motivate others to reach the common goals - this seems to be missing the whole career.

 

[Markfs]

Who did Wayne Carey sleep with this time?

The drug trail needs to end somewhere in the Westpac Centre for me to believe anything that Carey says.

He is hanging by a thread to his job at Fox. While he would have been Jesus Junior if he had left the game with his reputation intact, he has lost credibility so many times by now that it's not surprising that he is starting to burn bridges to get some headlines.

 

[Krueger]

The amount of excuses Ive heard is amazing. Chances are the rumors are true.

This whole bloody deal is destroying the club. One of the worst things ever to happen esp when our premiership window is (was) open.

 

[PieNSauce]

The amount of excuses Ive heard is amazing. Chances are the rumors are true.

This whole bloody deal is destroying the club. One of the worst things ever to happen esp when our premiership window is (was) open.

The decision to end Mick's tenure was absolutely correct and in fact the patience shown by the club up until that time was extraordinary. That he was given a further 2 years as well as an option as coaching director was applauded by all and sundry as a coup of major proportions. Those who think that history can be rewritten because we won a premiership in 2010 have no idea. Fortunately it's mostly just the trolls from other clubs.

 

[Cousin of Daicos]

The people saying the deal was a mistake are pissing me off.

The question that begs asking is, would we have won the flag if the deal wasn't in place?

Nick Maxwell himself said he doesn't think so. Our recruiting strategy the draft after the deal was announced doesn't suggest so.

In other words, the deal was not a mistake.

 

[Tas]

I think some of the players had forged a strong relationship with MM and probably weren't massive fans of him being moved out, but doubt it has anything more than that.

People are just reading too much into it at present.

 

[robertg22]

If that ball had bounced into the Tiprat's arms in the final minutes of the drawn grand final these threads would not exist

 

[blaze036]

theres 40 players on our senior list. 6-7 arnt happy with the coach? SHOCK HORROR.

 

[PieNSauce]

The people saying the deal was a mistake are pissing me off.

The question that begs asking is, would we have won the flag if the deal wasn't in place?

Nick Maxwell himself said he doesn't think so. Our recruiting strategy the draft after the deal was announced doesn't suggest so.

In other words, the deal was not a mistake.

Frankly, I don't give a fat rats about whether or not we would have won without the deal having been done. The fact is that the decision at the time showed foresight and received almost universal acclaim. The fact that MM decided to derail it by renegging on his part of the deal doesn't invalidate the decision that was taken. It's a bit rough for people to be suggesting that Buckley is to blame when the truth is it's Mick who sabotaged the plan.

 

[the distributer]

The decision to end Mick's tenure was absolutely correct and in fact the patience shown by the club up until that time was extraordinary. That he was given a further 2 years as well as an option as coaching director was applauded by all and sundry as a coup of major proportions. Those who think that history can be rewritten because we won a premiership in 2010 have no idea. Fortunately it's mostly just the trolls from other clubs.

WTF?

The guy got into a GF 3 yrs after a spoon (and almost won it with a made up hasbeen team), made it again in 03 and Rocca's suspension killed us, reloaded for 2 years then were amongst it again, could have easily have won the 07 flag, then inhouse suspensions/match day injurys hurt us, no, killed us in the 08/09 finals, flag in 2010 and runners up again in 2011.

under mick we made 4 GFs and were unlucky not to have made the 07 GF, he won one, fact is he had no right to make the first 2.

Fact we were the most consistant team of the decade from 2001-2010

 

[Krueger]

The decision to end Mick's tenure was absolutely correct and in fact the patience shown by the club up until that time was extraordinary.

Forget about the names Malthouse and Buckley for a moment. You still think it was correct considering all the bs thats going on? Rumors everywhere, players not happy, President involved, gameplan gone to shit, etc.

If you think the above is a good thing then I give up.

 

[PieNSauce]

WTF?

The guy got into a GF 3 yrs after a spoon (and almost won it with a made up hasbeen team), made it again in 03 and Rocca's suspension killed us, reloaded for 2 years then were amongst it again, could have easily have won the 07 flag, then inhouse suspensions/match day injurys hurt us, no, killed us in the 08/09 finals, flag in 2010 and runners up again in 2011.

under mick we made 4 GFs and were unlucky not to have made the 07 GF, he won one, fact is he had no right to make the first 2.

Fact we were the most consistant team of the decade from 2001-2010

How many premierships had he won us up until the time of the agreement? The agreement was not to terminate Mick but to make him a mentor to Bucks and the general consensus at the time was that it was an inspired and audacious plan. Whether he came close or not is irrelevant. He did not deliver the one and only thing that matters and far from discrediting him, the club hatched a plan to use his knowledge to which he agreed.

Forget about the names Malthouse and Buckley for a moment. You still think it was correct considering all the bs thats going on? Rumors everywhere, players not happy, President involved, gameplan gone to shit, etc.

If you think the above is a good thing then I give up.

So the deal (which Mick himself sabotaged) is responsible for all of our injuries and a heap of unsubstantiated rumours about players being disgruntled!

 

[the distributer]

How many premierships had he won us up until the time of the agreement? The agreement was not to terminate Mick but to make him a mentor to Bucks and the general consensus at the time was that it was an inspired and audacious plan. Whether he came close or not is irrelevant. He did not deliver the one and only thing that matters and facr from discrediting him, the club hatched a plan to use his knowledge to which he agreed.


So the deal (which Mick himself sabotaged) is responsible for all of our injuries and a heap of unsubstantiated rumours about players being disgruntled!

General consensus?

Also, how has mick discredited Bucks?, all's he's said about bucks is he's a strong willed person and he's using a different game plan that will take time to bare fruit.

 

[TheGreatGrundy]

The fact is that the decision at the time showed foresight and received almost universal acclaim. The fact that MM decided to derail it by renegging on his part of the deal doesn't invalidate the decision that was taken. It's a bit rough for people to be suggesting that Buckley is to blame when the truth is it's Mick who sabotaged the plan.

The plan was never going to work and it had to be 'derailed' by Mick because he knew he was never going to be able to work closely with Bucks and probably Bucks also knew that the deal was never going to work. Given the major changes to our game plan, you can see that the pair would have been unable to agree with each other.

 

[gomak]

um... if there is such division and hatred for buckley why did ALL the players re-sign?

Cloke originally to play under bucks, pendle, thomas, shaw... the list goes on.

this is all constructed by the media, and mick malthouse is getting paid to give his opinion, and that is what he is doing.

it is a non-issue, the players play for buckley, just like he played for them, and they all play for the jumper!

 

[the distributer]

um... if there is such division and hatred for buckley why did ALL the players re-sign?

Cloke originally to play under bucks, pendle, thomas, shaw... the list goes on.

this is all constructed by the media, and mick malthouse is getting paid to give his opinion, and that is what he is doing.

it is a non-issue, the players play for buckley, just like he played for them, and they all play for the jumper!

I doubt it's a big problem, but there have been a lot of rumours about players sooking about the workload under Bucks, that doesn't have to mean the players want to leave, their just having a sook, that's all.

 

[HFF]

I don't want to buy into any "rift" because all the players seem to want to stay based on their intentions to re-sign with the club.

However, (and those you on here know I've never started "rumours" or "whispers" with sources) but I too have spoken to someone who I clearly rate and trust and he works in the TAC Cup development system and he is pretty well connected with people in the industry.

He too has heard that some players just aren't responding to Bucks and it is showing on-field with complete disinterest. He was told of such unrest 6 months ago too and looking at it on Friday night, it's hard to just dismiss the claim. The reality is, the industry as a whole has this perception that Bucks is just a very poor communicator with the players and that his style is having a negative and significant impact on the playing group.

I'm not prepared to buy into it but I do trust this man. I will re-assess by round 12 bye and see where we are at because we look all over shop at the moment.

 

[tattooedswan]

Agreed but I thought it was worth a Discussion

Wrong. A Carey based rumor? Please.

 

[Histrionics]

Dont know about "six or seven players" but I do know that Swanny has never been a big fan of bucks, as a team-mate and now coach. Personally, I've seen a difference in the way he's played this year in both NAB cup and the first 3 rounds of the season. He just seems to be doing his own thing.

Why would he sign then when he knew Buckley would be coach?

 

[PieNSauce]

General consensus?

Also, how has mick discredited Bucks?, all's he's said about bucks is he's a strong willed person and he's using a different game plan that will take time to bare fruit.

Who ever said that Mick discredited Bucks?

The plan was never going to work and it had to be 'derailed' by Mick because he knew he was never going to be able to work closely with Bucks and probably Bucks also knew that the deal was never going to work. Given the major changes to our game plan, you can see that the pair would have been unable to agree with each other.

Frankly I haven't seen "Major" changes at all. All I've seen is a serious shortage of experienced playing personnel. If Mick didn't believe the plan would work then it was encumbent on him not to agree to it. One chance for credibility I'm afraid.

 

[Cory]

Thanks fudge, thanks for making we welcome on your board. haha.

No worries mate

 

[Snoop Dog]

The people saying the deal was a mistake are pissing me off.

The question that begs asking is, would we have won the flag if the deal wasn't in place?

Nick Maxwell himself said he doesn't think so. Our recruiting strategy the draft after the deal was announced doesn't suggest so.

In other words, the deal was not a mistake.

100% CORRECT

I think this whole issue has upset a number of us. I know EM went for broke in getting DJ and LB to the club so Mick could go out on a high. It worked and everyone should be grateful.....incl MM.

 

[TradeDraft]

100% CORRECT

I think this whole issue has upset a number of us. I know EM went for broke in getting DJ and LB to the club so Mick could go out on a high. It worked and everyone should be grateful.....incl MM.

Agreed we did not had to go after Ball and Jolly we could of kept our 1st 3 Picks in the Draft and went for Kids Instead.

It worked we won the 2010 Flag and Mick should be Grateful the Club gave him 2 Extra years and brought 2 Guns in to help us win the Flag