Mega Thread All AOD-9604 Discussion - Still Illegal but ASADA will not press charges on AOD9604 - McDevitt

[H2F]

I have followed your posts through out this ordeal and want to say thanks for being a humble non-essendon supporter.

No probs mate ...

Believe me I have copped it but will always post what I believe on here.

Thanks

 

[The_Wookie]

Nothing matters anymore. Not Dank's letter, not WADA's ruling....NOTHING!!!!!

All that matters is that AOD-9604 is not a prohibited substance in the eyes of ASADA and the AFL, prior to WADA's 'reclarification'.

You guys can argue all you want about technicalities, legalities, rulings, sections, subsections etc etc...but the most important fact throughout all of this is that the AFL had AOD's status officially clarified to them in February and they decided they would hide the truth and leave the EFC at the mercy of the media and the foamers.

I would have though there'd be some anger being directed at the AFL from the general public as they've been hiding the truth from you and letting you all make fools of yourselves as you clamour over each other like hyenas.

For more outrage, I'd suggest having a look at Tim Watson's interview out front of Windy Hill tonight. Here he states that ALL drugs in question have been identified and have been deemed safe.

So...all drugs have been identified.....yet no infractions....?

I did duly note that people have been saying that AOD9604 has been declared safe. I did also note that the only guy to do any testing on it said some weeks ago that there wasnt enough testing done to say that it was safe.

 

[davis_756]

Just proves to us that Essendon and Dank deliberately set out to bend the rules beyond all reason, the AFL should just revoke the Bombers licence and be done with it.

 

[Alfred E Neuman]

I apologise I wasn't aware of the email. However the mistake from what I understood from ASADA is it was advice given in early 2013 not 2011/2012. Dank has a lot too lose, I would be very careful holding your hopes on someone that is refusing to testify at all costs. Plus we are focused on really the minor drug Essendon are accused of taking.

Why are we assuming that the advice was given in early 2013? I've not seen any mention of timing anywhere.

 

[Inspecta Gadget]

Well most likely not seeing as Essendon didn't keep records.

So here you go "genius" ASADA won't issue sanctions if any, until after the investigation is over. ASADA have not given the names of potential sanctioned players to the AFL because they can't. They cannot publically name a player until after infraction notices are given. So before you think you are clever and resort to name calling how about you learn a fact or two.

ASADA have already stated as fact that prohibited substances were used as part of Essendon's supplement program; that's why the club has been charged by the AFL for doping. ASADA will take all the time they need to conduct their investigation; they do not care for timelines. So they will gather the evidence they need in the course of time they see fit.

When did they do this?

Seems like a pretty big deal, you'd think they'd have told someone

 

[jenny61_99]

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Enough for you?

A simple medical doctor would have sufficed. It was a genuine question.

 

[snitzel]

Bring it on.

Sack everyone at the start I presume?

 

[Kerleys Ghost]

So...all drugs have been identified.....yet no infractions....?

what do you guys find so hard to understand here?

all infractions (if any) will be issued when the report is finalised, not a moment before.

 

[Ancient Tiger]

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Unit Chair: HSE320 Exercise, Health and Disease
Unit Chair: HBS109 Human Structure and Function
Lecturer: HSE301 Principles of Exercise Prescription
Lecturer: HSE302 Exercise Programming
Lecturer: HSE305 Issues in Coaching


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• Influence of exercise on disease
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Enough for you?

I think most of us want to know if this was the same advice given to Essendon prior to them using AOD as this was told to him this year. We need to see this documented too.
It certainly doesn't inspire confidence in ASADA though......

 

[jenny61_99]

Would his questions have been any less valid if he was a PhD?

Depending on his area of specialty.

 

[adelaidecrows]

Did you actually watch the interview with Dr Garnham? That is DOCTOR Garnham?

Just read the transcript. I think you and the sporting media who want Essendon cleared are grasping at straws. Your basing the assumption on a conversation in February 2013 that had wrong information given to the good doctor that this backs up Danks claim of being told exactly the same thing in 2011/2012. It is extremely unlikely plus we don't have proof this is the case even. Unless Dank testifies and can give true and accurate account of what happened that backs up all of ASADAs investigations this wont even come close to clearing Essendon.

 

[The Dodger]

Why are we assuming that the advice was given in early 2013? I've not seen any mention of timing anywhere.

The doc in the clip says Feb this year.

 

[jenny61_99]

I'm surprise one of the Google detectives in here hadn't already updated the thread.

Too tired tonight. Been a big day! Cheers for the info.

 

[EnolaGay]

Just read the transcript. I think you and the sporting media who want Essendon cleared are grasping at straws. Your basing the assumption on a conversation in February 2013 that had wrong information given to the good doctor that this backs up Danks claim of being told exactly the same thing in 2011/2012. It is extremely unlikely plus we don't have proof this is the case even. Unless Dank testifies and can give true and accurate account of what happened that backs up all of ASADAs investigations this wont even come close to clearing Essendon.

You did listen to the interview? It was covered in ASADA's Operational notes, in writing. I'd has it a guess that hadn't changed from 2011/12.

 

[Bulldog Pride]

FORMER...But why???

It is interesting that he would bail mid investigation. Working for EFC would obviously make it untenable.

Although I suspect as a doc it's nice to be involved if all you need to do is adjudicate on a Saad or a Justin Charles once every couple of decades. Not when some massive investigation breaks, so may have just got fed up and been commissioned by EFC later.

 

[adelaidecrows]

You really think we should be kicked out of the league for this? Wow, if Big Footy was the federal parliament, you'd definitely be our Bob Katter.

I don't, its not fair on the innocent players, staff and fans because of the stupidity and greed of the few.

 

[the distributer]

Nothing matters anymore. Not Dank's letter, not WADA's ruling....NOTHING!!!!!

All that matters is that AOD-9604 is not a prohibited substance in the eyes of ASADA and the AFL, prior to WADA's 'reclarification'.

You guys can argue all you want about technicalities, legalities, rulings, sections, subsections etc etc...but the most important fact throughout all of this is that the AFL had AOD's status officially clarified to them in February and they decided they would hide the truth and leave the EFC at the mercy of the media and the foamers.

I would have though there'd be some anger being directed at the AFL from the general public as they've been hiding the truth from you and letting you all make fools of yourselves as you clamour over each other like hyenas.

For more outrage, I'd suggest having a look at Tim Watson's interview out front of Windy Hill tonight. Here he states that ALL drugs in question have been identified and have been deemed safe.

So...all drugs have been identified.....yet no infractions....?

Funny thing about drug cheats, some of them are known to lie!! i know that sounds out there but it's true man.

 

[FyfesBoot]

https://soundcloud.com/triple-m-footy/dr-andrew-garnham-on-fox-footy

There is a reason why this interview sounds like it was conducted in a toilet.

 

[yebiga]

OH buddy, they are so far from cleared. Apparently the mistake by ASADA was in 2013. hardly a throw the case out technicality considering the drug program happened over 2011/2012. I understand your passion but WADA hasn't cleared Essendon. And if you think a professional sports club will be let off by WADA your mistaken. Read Richard Ings twitter account. Former head of ASADA. very knowledgeable man. @ringsau

With all due respects to dickings, right now ASADA and WADA have a serious credibility issue in this country
Now unless this AFL doctor Graham is a complete charlatan, it does not matter what ASADA/WADA think. If a number of Doctors and other AL personnel contacted ASADA and WADA in February 2013 and received confirmation that AOD was fine during essendns program then it really does not matter what WADA ASADA go on to say now or ny time in the future.

If the AFL themselves are on record receiving such advice ASADA/WADA would risk becoming a public joke if it is not already and public jokes don't get good funding.

So with the greatest respects to puncy prefects like Patrick smith - unless dr graham is quickly proven to be lying, it is game set and match for Essendon and moth balls for thenAFL, ASADA, WADA, and the ACC

 

[I Rock]

Please point us to this charge.

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[Alfred E Neuman]

Depending on his area of specialty.

As EnolaGay posted above, I think his bonafides in the field are pretty solid, but I don't think that should be the end all or be all I think the main qualifier should be a capacity for being subjective along with an ability to think rationally and critically. I don't know if he fits any of the latter bills, but I 'm just saying, being well versed in the field doesn't necessarily mean anything. Dank is a doctor too right? And a supposed expert in the field...

 

[Inspecta Gadget]

I don't get it. This is a positive piece of news for Essendon. Why hasn't this thread been closed to prevent people from discussing it yet?

 

[Ancient Tiger]

I did duly note that people have been saying that AOD9604 has been declared safe. I did also note that the only guy to do any testing on it said some weeks ago that there wasnt enough testing done to say that it was safe.

Absolutely correct.
It is ludicrous that a statement can be made that ANY drug is safe without quoting dosage, frequency of dosage and route of administration.
Even paracetamol, noted to be a very safe drug, can be lethal if taken in large doses.
We don't know what doses the Essendon players got, how they got it and how frequently they got it!
It defies me how the club can tell the players and their parents that it is a safe drug! They don't know it that is the case or not!

 

[snitzel]

you wouldnt be saying that if you knew how hard i was jamming these keys.

im not a keyboard warrior, but that poster is just really dumb.

lol yeah it's frustrating sometimes.

 

[I Rock]

When did they do this?

Seems like a pretty big deal, you'd think they'd have told someone

Wouldn't let me multi quote, is the image posted still not a valid charge?