List Mgmt. Players that Should survive our Review.

[Eagle87]

Good post and my only criticism is you saying it`s woosha`s fault ,he has stated that the recruiters pick the recruits ..

Yep, the senior coach who is routinely credited by management with rebuilding the team has no input into recruiting ....

 

[Dark Sharks]

Not at all. I blame our midfield for being a soft bunch of sillys.

This is true, the potato factor is the strongest in our midfield.

Especially with guys like Gaff and Sheppard throwing there weight around in there..

 

[Spooky17]

Out of interest, how much longer do we continue to give shep a free pass?

He is THE MOLE, so he'll be there until the final episode

 

[pantskyle]

I blame Priddis.

 

[lmach]

I blame Kylie.

 

[Spooky17]

I blame the boats

 

[Pottering]

The priddis cult here is staggering. Biggest butcher this club has ever seen, co-inciding with the worst form in our history.

But you priddis lover flogs want to build a shrine to the butcher.

Un f****** belivable

What's truly "Un f****** belivable" is that despite Priddis being by far and away one of our better players (not merely my opinion, see B&F results, Brownlow votes, media wards etc) over the past 5 years or so, people like you think he's responsible for our current bad form. Truly deluded! On Saturday night about 3/4 of the team avoided the opportunity to butcher the ball by making sure they rarely got near it. Clever strategy.

 

[Spooky17]

What's truly "Un f****** belivable" is that despite Priddis being by far and away one of our better players (not merely my opinion, see B&F results, Brownlow votes, media wards etc) over the past 5 years or so, people like you think he's responsible for our current bad form. Truly deluded! On Saturday night about 3/4 of the team avoided the opportunity to butcher the ball by making sure they rarely got near it. Clever strategy.

Priddis

 

[Eastern Rangers]

What's truly "Un f****** belivable" is that despite Priddis being by far and away one of our better players (not merely my opinion, see B&F results, Brownlow votes, media wards etc) over the past 5 years or so, people like you think he's responsible for our current bad form. Truly deluded! On Saturday night about 3/4 of the team avoided the opportunity to butcher the ball by making sure they rarely got near it. Clever strategy.

Must be hard playing at the ball drop and losing all the time. Much easier being under siege in defence or devoid of clean ball up forward.

 

[Pottering]

Must be hard playing at the ball drop and losing all the time. Much easier being under siege in defence or devoid of clean ball up forward.

That's not what the stats suggest; Priddis had most possessions on the ground and 2nd most contested possessions after Dangerfield (16 and 17 respectively). In other words he was number two at winning the hard ball, hardly a fact that equates to "playing at the ball drop and losing all the time".

 

[Pottering]

Priddis

Interesting that while Priddis was credited with a disposal efficiency of 71.4% the man who was a clear BOG on Saturday night, Patrick Dangerfield, recorded a disposal efficiency of just 58.6%. I imagine he's getting bagged big time on the Adelaide forum.

 

[ronpingwins]

pantskylecheney

 

[Shoeskylie]

delist pantskylie

 

[Eastern Rangers]

That's not what the stats suggest; Priddis had most possessions on the ground and 2nd most contested possessions after Dangerfield (16 and 17 respectively). In other words he was number two at winning the hard ball, hardly a fact that equates to "playing at the ball drop and losing all the time".

You get contested possessions when you play at the ball drop, especially when you can't rotate away from the ball drop which Crouch, Thompson, Sloane, Kerridge and Dangerfield are all capable of doing. We got spanked in the clearances and had a high ratio of disposals per scoring shot. We had a lot less kicks than Adelaide and that translated into poor retention of possession, negative territory and limited scoring opportunities.

The area of most contention is the fact he had 19 uncontested possessions, but didn't manage to take a single mark and managed just seven kicks. Two of which where direct turnovers.

A perfect example of this is Adelaide's first goal. Priddis gets a loose ball get. Hand passes to a stationary Cox (CP). Handball receive from Cox. Hand pass to flat footed Rosa (UC). Rosa was in no place to get a handball receive. Turnover and goal to Thompson, his direct opponent.

 

[ronpingwins]

Priddis to Full-Forward

 

[greatwhiteshark]

The simple facts are that every week both Priddis and Scooter are our biggest possession winners, based on that they are regularly put in our top 3-4 players every week based simply on stats. They will both finish high in our B & F based on these same stats.
Every week on Talk back radio, newspapers, footy forums we hear and read about how crap our midfield is. Yet we have these two magnets dominating most weeks???

The reality is that neither of them are offensive midfielders, neither of them are creative. Neither of them can kick over a jam tin, neither of them hit the scoreboard, neither of them have any influence on the game. That is the reality. Not just this year but the reality for both of them as midfielders.
Scooter has the one advantage that he can be turned into our own Ryan Crowley and be a tagger. But unless he is that he is a very average midfielder also.

No member or supporter dislikes these guys, one would think people comment mainly because they want the team to get better. These guys must be eliminated from our midfield for the team to do better.
Why is this so hard for anyone which knows their footy to understand or accept?

 

[Pottering]

You get contested processions when you play at the ball drop, especially when you can't rotate away from the ball drop which Crouch, Thompson, Sloane, Kerridge and Dangerfield are all capable of doing. We got spanked in the clearances and had a high ratio of disposals per scoring shot. We had a lot less kicks than Adelaide and that translated into poor retention of possession, negative territory and limited scoring opportunities.

The area of most contention is the fact he had 19 uncontested possessions, but didn't manage to take a single mark and managed just seven kicks. Two of which where direct turnovers.

A perfect example of this is Adelaide's first goal. Priddis gets a loose ball get. Hand passes to a stationary Cox (CP). Handball receive from Cox. Hand pass to flat footed Rosa (UC). Rosa was in no place to get a handball receive. Turnover and goal to Thompson, his direct opponent.

Slight amendment to your opening statement, it should have read "You (are expected to) get contested processions when you play at the ball drop". Problem is that Priddis is the only one in our team who seems to be able to live up to this expectation.

Why is 19 uncontested possessions without a mark a matter of "contention"? His handball to kick ratio has always been high, largely due to the fact that he's a ball extractor and operates generally in heavy traffic. He was credited with 4 clangers; same number as the guys you like to compare him to, Sloane, Crouch, Thompson and one less that Dangerfield.

What you call a "perfect example" of a "direct turnover" is, using your own description, not a "direct turnover" at all, indirect at best, direct is hitting an opponent lace out which a few others managed to achieve the other night. Our game plan seemingly calls for incessant handballing to teammates who are in a worse position, that Priddis committed one is hardly out of the ordinary.

 

[ronpingwins]

greatwhitepriddis

 

[Pottering]

[quote=" These guys (Priddis, Selwood) must be eliminated from our midfield for the team to do better.
Why is this so hard for anyone which knows their footy to understand or accept?[/quote]

Eliminated in favour of who? You can't simply say that we'd be better without these two and then fail to say who replaces them and why that will be an improvement.

 

[ronpingwins]

Conca and Sheed

 

[Eastern Rangers]

Slight amendment to your opening statement, it should have read "You (are expected to) get contested processions when you play at the ball drop". Problem is that Priddis is the only one in our team who seems to be able to live up to this expectation.

There is no amendment at all needed. It simply matter of real-estate, watch and pause stoppages.

We're without two of our top four clearance players, one of them seemingly sidelined for the same reasons Priddis should be. Which is a lack of accountability for their direct opponent, a lack of outside run and general utility around the ground.

Our lack of on ball depth is simple. We haven't developed enough decent on ballers and the two best candidates we did have packed up and left because of a lack of opportunity.

If you have contested midfielders with no outside ability, no offensive drive and zero hurt factor you need to compensate their lack of outside ability with more outside ability to generate run. Those players who are receivers either lack opportunities on ball or aren't very good. Either because of a lack of development or natural ability.

So players like Sheppard, Dalziell, Rosa and Gaff shouldn't be playing in the same side as each other. Better to have a depth of balanced players who can win their own ball and at times when needed rotate effectively into a receiving role and go.

Why is 19 uncontested possessions without a mark a matter of "contention"? His handball to kick ratio has always been high, largely due to the fact that he's a ball extractor and operates generally in heavy traffic. He was credited with 4 clangers; same number as the guys you like to compare him to, Sloane, Crouch, Thompson and one less that Dangerfield.

His kick to handball ratio is low because he's rubbish on the outside and can't get into a position where he can find clear targets consistently. Eg: his uncontested disposals are meaningless in most cases. He simply isn't someone who should be on the end of a handball receive if you want a coherent chain of disposals to progress.

Clangers are a fine when a player is creative and takes risks. Not when they're as slow treacle, don't get into damaging positions and or use the ball creatively.

What you call a "perfect example" of a "direct turnover" is, using your own description, not a "direct turnover" at all, indirect at best, direct is hitting an opponent lace out which a few others managed to achieve the other night. Our game plan seemingly calls for incessant handballing to teammates who are in a worse position, that Priddis committed one is hardly out of the ordinary.

Two clanger kicks.

The perfect example was one of his uncontested disposals by hand which was effective.

Priddis inability to draw a player creates defensive overlap in which opponents zone off to block outlets like Rosa, Gaff, Shuey ect. It's happened for years. The incessant hand balling is a result of a lack of offensive overlap and free players.

 

[greatwhiteshark]

[quote=" These guys (Priddis, Selwood) must be eliminated from our midfield for the team to do better.
Why is this so hard for anyone which knows their footy to understand or accept?

Eliminated in favour of who? You can't simply say that we'd be better without these two and then fail to say who replaces them and why that will be an improvement.[/quote]


It actually makes no difference what so ever who replaces them, whoever it is if they are no better or even worse then we are no worse off.

When something does not work, then why continue with it? Try Hurn, Darling, Waters etc
Stop going with the same old set up week after week. Try something but get them out of there.
Scooter can stay as long as he is a tagger only.

 

[Eaglemaniac]

I sort of agree with Cripps, but I think he can develop into a serviceable player. Showed some good traits at times, needs more time to develop those. Remember Masten was played out of position, for 3+ years, to develop a more rounded game, I see these 2 going through similar processes.
Smotie, I get what you're saying with Priddis, but if Shuey, Masten, S Selwood, Wellingham don't knock him down to at least peg 5, then I don't know what will. Oddly, I see Cripps and Sheppard as 2 types that can enhance Pridids' game, ie they need to get on his outside and receive the handball and Usain. Allow him to play his natural game of extracting the ball, which he is very good at. Delivery and sprinting from packs is not in his repertoire, so if we continue to use him then we need to play to strengths.

The problem i see with that Swannies, is that clubs just tag our outside guys like they do now, because they know if they leave Priddis by himself and he has no outlet close by for a 1m handball, he will just bomb it forward, so most teams make sure they have a player 30m behind the stoppage for a Priddis kick.
If we have a player who can win the hardball but also hit a target and be damaging with the kick or handball, then giving that player time and space to hit up our forwards would work against them.

 

[lewigie]

??

He's had a few good games since getting back into the side. Did I suggest he hadn't?

Apologies, I thought in your previous post you meant he had been dropped and hadn't returned to the side.

 

[Smotie]

Why are all the threads renamed with Priddis in them?