Simmonds Stadium, Finals and Politics

[strobe00]

If Geelong continue to act as a non-Victorian side by playing away from Etihad and the MCG then they should be forced to travel accordingly and at a minimum travel to every I tear state venue at least once during the year.
If it was fair it should be the standard 5 travels as a Victorian club plus 1 for each game at Skilled, so about 10 interstate trips a year. This is to balance against teams that only get to Skilled once per year as Victorian teams do for interstate venues.
Yea Geelong supporters will say crap to this but if you think about it from a neutral perspective Geelong is essentially an interstate side with their home ground so should be forced to travel as much to keep the competition fair.


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What a complete and utter unvarnished load of sh*t.

Written by a Pies supporter. Thankfully not all Pies supporters are as biased as this.

No surprises there, whatsoever.

Geelong should travel the same number of interstate trips as every other VICTORIAN club. 5. Just like you. Just because they're not a Melbourne based club doesn't mean they're not Victorian.

 

[mattah]

On your last sentence, is it unfair on you huh? Finish higher then! That is the idea of HOME ADVANTAGE.

It's unfair on us because if any one of the other Melbourne clubs were in this position (ie. 3rd), they would be playing against you in your home final on their home ground. Put yourself in our shoes for a minute, that is the very definition of double standards! Of course, the finals hosting situation has also been unfair on you as well since pretty much forever (whenever KP stopped hosting finals).

thats something you need to take up with the afl. us cats supporters are just happy to play a home final at our home ground.

If you read my posts that's exactly what I am doing? I have NO problem with cats supporters, my beef is purely with the AFL's decision. I'm a bit baffled as to why other supporters (particularly Geelong supporters) can't see the double standard though? Is it because you guys have been continually shafted over the years having to play your home finals on other team's grounds?

The fairest solution for everyone is that Geelong plays all it's home finals in Geelong from now on. I would have absolutely no problem with this.

 

[Lester Burnham]

We prefer to play at Etihad. Didnt have to finish higher for that

If you want to play at your preferred venue try finishing in the top 2.

 

[dthom]

Is that a ground?
Do you play over half a dozen games there?
Do you train there?
No? Then where is the relevance?

Yes, we train there... We train at Subiaco, at most, once per week for your information. Our club headquarters are there. Our gym is there. Our administration is there. The reason we don't play there is because the capacity is not big enough... Funnily enough, your ground isn't big enough to host a final either.

 

[Senatorguesty]

Yes, we train there... We train at Subiaco, at most, once per week for your information. Our club headquarters are there. Our gym is there. Our administration is there. The reason we don't play there is because the capacity is not big enough... Funnily enough, your ground isn't big enough to host a final either.

Have you not heard? We are playing one on Saturday!
Seriously you have no idea and are now making yourself look silly, quit while you are far behind.

 

[james brayshaw]

If Geelong continue to act as a non-Victorian side by playing away from Etihad and the MCG then they should be forced to travel accordingly and at a minimum travel to every I tear state venue at least once during the year.
If it was fair it should be the standard 5 travels as a Victorian club plus 1 for each game at Skilled, so about 10 interstate trips a year. This is to balance against teams that only get to Skilled once per year as Victorian teams do for interstate venues.
Yea Geelong supporters will say crap to this but if you think about it from a neutral perspective Geelong is essentially an interstate side with their home ground so should be forced to travel as much to keep the competition fair.


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Isn't simmonds stadium in Victoria?

 

[blue harvest]

Simonds Stadium. Another one who misses the point... oh dear.

And for the record go to www.fremantlefc.com.au and tell me what the address is for us. Do we make you play there?

Just had a quick look at your website out of interest. There was an article headlined 'Freo fans snap up all available tickets' - what a croc. They snapped up half of the 4,000 allocation and maybe a few more after 2pm.

 

[dthom]

The whining coming out of freo is quite hilarious.

It is damn right obvious that freo fans are just upset that the game is being played at a venue that favours Geelong.

They seem to forget that the the game between 2nd and 3rd gets played at the 2nd team's home ground - when it is feasable. Example of it not being feasable is a game that would draw 50/60/70k+. Attendance at etihad vs attendance at Simmonds from a members perspective is negligible.

I can see your frustration at the timing of the announcement but for goodness sake, pull your heads in.

Maybe your mob should focus this much attention finishing 1st or 2nd and you get to play where you want.

You seem to be struggling to make the distinction about what the club is saying and what the supporters are saying. Has Ross Lyon or any of the players made comment? No. They are focusedon the task at hand...

 

[mattah]

If you want to play at your preferred venue try finishing in the top 2.

Or be a big Melbourne team like Collingwood, Richmond or Hawthorn, finish below Geelong, and play Geelong at the Melbourne club's home ground anyway.

 

[yebbo]

Don't think so. We are going straight to a prelim after going to your delightful little backwater.

Haha, the tears and the sense of rightfulness from these t-pots are gold. I find it hilarious that you have to play us at Geelong. Suck it losers.

It could also be argued that Fremantle is very similar to Geelong as a city.....40 minutes from the capital city (but I bet you guys travel up to Perth with no complaints), nice beaches if you wanna travel an hour or so (Rockingham...beautiful), not much going on except an 83 Americas cup.

But I would say Freo definitely wins with all the "Hey bro got a dollar bro" that gets hit on you down at that little backwater.....and geez all the smelly hippies festering around make it a bit of a stinkhole really.

 

[Lester Burnham]

The fairest solution for everyone is that Geelong plays all it's home finals in Geelong from now on. I would have absolutely no problem with this.

How about the teams with the home draw get to choose where they play the game? That's the fairest solution.

 

[STP18]

Yes, we train there... We train at Subiaco, at most, once per week for your information. Our club headquarters are there. Our gym is there. Our administration is there. The reason we don't play there is because the capacity is not big enough... Funnily enough, your ground isn't big enough to host a final either.

Orly?

 

[Greg Brady]

**** me dead, we hear daily from opposition supporters that our record at Kardinia Park means nothing because we only play "soft" games down there, now all of a sudden we're playing a big, tough, Qualifying Final there and you all throw your ****ing arms up in disgust.

Methinks Freo's posturing suggests there might be a little more to our home record than just playing "soft" games down there - you're clearly shitting yourselves.

And to neutral fans: you can't have it both ways. You say our form down there is inflated by playing shit teams, but then when a big game comes along you want to take it off us. STFU.

 

[dthom]

Have you not heard? We are playing one on Saturday!
Seriously you have no idea and are now making yourself look silly, quit while you are far behind.

Yes and its a crock of shit.

So are you just going to side step the point I made, that made your initial point completely invalid?

 

[clogged]

How about the teams with the home draw get to choose where they play the game? That's the fairest solution.

Sure is. That's not what is happening though, is it?

 

[Lester Burnham]

Or be a big Melbourne team like Collingwood, Richmond or Hawthorn, finish below Geelong, and play Geelong at the Melbourne club's home ground anyway.

This is a disadvantage to Geelong. Why are Freo fans sooking about it?

 

[dthom]

**** me dead, we hear daily from opposition supporters that our record at Kardinia Park means nothing because we only play "soft" games down there, now all of a sudden we're playing a big, tough, Qualifying Final there and you all throw your ******* arms up in disgust.

Methinks Freo's posturing suggests there might be a little more to our home record than just playing "soft" games down there - you're clearly shitting yourselves.

And to neutral fans: you can't have it both ways. You say our form down there is inflated by playing shit teams, but then when a big game comes along you want to take it off us. STFU.

The supporters are making a fuss, the club really isn't. Another one for the idiot bin. We are raging against the unfairness of it when no one other than Gold Coast, GWS and Freo will play finals down there.

 

[blue harvest]

It wasn't a soft draw when it was drawn up. It has become so in hindsight as Adelaide (2nd), West Coast (4th) and St Kilda (9th) which were our double ups have all fallen down the ladder. It was a mid-range draw last year. Has been one of the softest this year.

Your reasoning is after the fact. The "AFL gave you a soft draw" argument is a load of sh*t. When it was drawn up it wasn't soft.

West Cost 5th. Adelaide 2nd but only because of their soft draw last year.
Forgot to mention the Demons who you played twice.
So you played 1 top 4 team twice, 2 top 8 teams twice. Soft, but there is a whole thread for that.

 

[STP18]

Guys take the debates to the countless other threads, here I was just stating that no more whinging can come from the Freo camp in regards to ticket issues, as there were still half of their allocation up for grabs but the demand just wasn't quite there. Any further sooking coming from Fremantle can only be interpreted as a fear of having to play us at our home ground, which funny enough, is exactly what happens when you finish higher on the ladder. I know Freo supporters aren't quite knowledgeable when it comes to finals, as it is quite a rare occurrence, but this is just how it works, and no matter of crying to the AFL is going fix that. In hindsight this seems like an amazing decision made by the AFL, both in terms of business, and more importantly, fairness.

 

[dthom]

Orly?

Yes.

 

[strobe00]

No they didn't.
They said that we would play home finals at Simonds if we happen to draw Freo, Port, GC or GWS as those 4 teams have a low Victoria following.

But only if they have three other Melbourne based teams playing on the same weekend.

That's why it'll probably never happen again. Will only happen in week 1, and only if the other three home teams are MCG teams.

Hence, a fair chunk of the griping. It's not about Geelong getting a legitimate home final for the first time in over a hundred years. It's because we're probably the only team that'll ever have to go down there in a final.

 

[The Passenger]

I think the only thing that should really irk freo should be the late notice of the change, and the afl being adamant that kardinia wasn't going to host finals.

for me the common sense policy is that geelong should get a final at kardinia in the event of four finals in vic and geelong playing one of the low drawing interstate sides. seems practical and makes financial sense.... but it needs to be communicated, and not explicitly stated that it won't happen, then back flipped upon.

did vlad come out and say any time geelong draws port, freo, gws or gcs in a final they will play it at kardinia? or only in the event of there being four victorian finals? i didn't pick it up.

i'm assuming it's only in the event of four victorian finals, in which case vlad's new policy is clearly a gamble that he has made backing that he will never have to put it into action again, and thus not risk the potential of being accused of hypocrisy.... the chances or four victorian finals are slim, and then to have geelong at home to one of four specific sides (gcs still have a bit to go to be a finals team and gws are way off) brings the chances even further down.

 

[Greg Brady]

The supporters are making a fuss, the club really isn't. Another one for the idiot bin. We are raging against the unfairness of it when no one other than Gold Coast, GWS and Freo will play finals down there.

Are you actually taking the piss...the club isn't? You had officials from the day it was mooted coming out calling it "unthinkable" etc. etc.

I actually can understand the supporters being aggrieved and I do entirely agree it's ridiculous that the AFL has come out and categorically stated this would only eventuate for Freo and not, say, for Sydney. But you're CLUB'S reaction shows they're shitting themselves.

And they should be. It's a fortress - don't let the neutral supporters fool you with the "They only play crap teams down there" bullshit.

 

[Senatorguesty]

Yes and its a crock of shit.

So are you just going to side step the point I made, that made your initial point completely invalid?

Your point that you have a ground that you never play at so that some how makes it relevant to us playing OUR home final at Geelong?
Yeah awesome point champ!
Again, and I'll say this slowly since that it hasn't sunk in yet, WE. FINISHED. HIGHER.
If you don't like where you have to play then be better and finish higher!
FFS is that so hard for you to get?
Half of your allocation was sold so it isn't like you can't get to the game, the AFL has organised chartered flights directly to Avalon which is the same distance to Geelong as Tullamarine is to Melbourne and STILL you bitch about something you have no right to do.

 

[strauchnyy]

You seem to be struggling to make the distinction about what the club is saying and what the supporters are saying. Has Ross Lyon or any of the players made comment? No. They are focusedon the task at hand...

Your players have not upheld and shared your supporters' embarrassing whining, but your president certainly has.

Notwithstanding, my primary point is that your fellow supporters are quite embarrassing.