Vintage Bay Essendon supporters say the darndest things

[royals1922]

I'm not...?

You'll have Bombres going now....

 

[royals1922]

I sometimes get the feeling that Essendon supporters have met reality and then I read this:

"
Sorry but that's just contradictory rubbish that the public at large has been managed to believe.
Whether or not Hird's architecture somehow contributed to the breach of duty owed to the players is the whole point. You then need to determine whether there was a breach by Hird that caused damage to the players because it may be that it did not materially contribute to anything and that any penalty beyond his 1 year suspension would be "cracking a peanut with a sledgehammer". Why do you think he is pushing, to what I'll admit is the point of stupidity if he does appeal Middleton J's decision, so hard to clear his name?
The real world is so much more complicated than the "where there's smoke there's fire" lowest common denominator garbage that I hear so often. You can't just generalise because it is the specific circumstances of each case that are more important than anything else.
Hird has been set up as the fall guy from day one because the EFC and the AFL were not thorough enough and believed they could deal their way out of this, which they can't. It has not even been confirmed that the deals offered to Cronulla players will not be challenged by WADA.
Any suggestion that the removal of Hird would in anyway have lessened the the penalties we have received or that it could influence the outcome as far as ASADA is concerned is ******* dishonest.
As long as the EFC stakeholders, being the players, members, fans and sponsors, are all satisfied EFC should be doing much more to stand by its coach and any of its people for that matter.
Hird should never go unless he has proven to have failed his players. He's our ******* coach and we choose whether he stays or goes, not the AFL and not the media at the behest of the AFL.
If we buckle to the pressure I don't think I'll ever look at the club the same way again."

The delusion dies hard

 

[QuietB]

I sometimes get the feeling that Essendon supporters have met reality and then I read this:

"
Sorry but that's just contradictory rubbish that the public at large has been managed to believe.
Whether or not Hird's architecture somehow contributed to the breach of duty owed to the players is the whole point. You then need to determine whether there was a breach by Hird that caused damage to the players because it may be that it did not materially contribute to anything and that any penalty beyond his 1 year suspension would be "cracking a peanut with a sledgehammer". Why do you think he is pushing, to what I'll admit is the point of stupidity if he does appeal Middleton J's decision, so hard to clear his name?
The real world is so much more complicated than the "where there's smoke there's fire" lowest common denominator garbage that I hear so often. You can't just generalise because it is the specific circumstances of each case that are more important than anything else.
Hird has been set up as the fall guy from day one because the EFC and the AFL were not thorough enough and believed they could deal their way out of this, which they can't. It has not even been confirmed that the deals offered to Cronulla players will not be challenged by WADA.
Any suggestion that the removal of Hird would in anyway have lessened the the penalties we have received or that it could influence the outcome as far as ASADA is concerned is ******* dishonest.
As long as the EFC stakeholders, being the players, members, fans and sponsors, are all satisfied EFC should be doing much more to stand by its coach and any of its people for that matter.
Hird should never go unless he has proven to have failed his players. He's our ******* coach and we choose whether he stays or goes, not the AFL and not the media at the behest of the AFL.
If we buckle to the pressure I don't think I'll ever look at the club the same way again."

The delusion dies hard

Oh dear. So who was in charge

 

[royals1922]

Meanwhile on BB:

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Don't worry the media will get off Hirds back when he leads them to the premiership next year.
It will all turn to how great the man is again. And rightfully so!!!
Come on you bombers.
Keep the faith we will be ok. The sky isn't falling just yet"

 

[royals1922]

Oh dear. So who was in charge

Casper the friendly ghost

 

[dvas987]

 

[dvas987]

Conspiracy

 

[royals1922]

This:

"
Spot On.
ON that point though.. what media has Hird done?? I realise he is the devil.. but I've seen him do a short door stop when he got back (not his choice), a short statement on his first day back (at the request of the club) and one short 'pavement stop' after the court hearing...
I find it funny that in that time, Caro and her cult have written 82 articles about 'Hird'.. with none actually having anything to do with him at all.
Time for the club to step back a bit, exactly as you said, and let the next step occur.. and that is the players and their representation taking ASADA on. Maybe they should have done that in June.. but I still feel the free shot was worth it.
time now to move on, let the players clear their name and be done with it. Call the bluff now.
*Why are so many still convinced ASADA don't bluff?? They have decisions overturned all the time because they are dodgy.. and if they are sitting on a solid case.. then they don't wait two years before 'springing the trap'.. believe me."

Note the highlighted bit. Oh the irony....

 

[PepperFace]

"I have no problem with anything Hird did and neither did any/many here at the time. I have major concerns over Hamilton/Dank/Robinson however.
"

 

[PepperFace]

"What the club needs to do for the sake of the fans is release images or video showing Hird and Thompson together with the players. These images should be depicted to appear as if they are not posed for but rather taken in a "natural" setting. Obviously we would want the photos to show the players looking happy and comfortable along side their coaches.
Another thing the club should consider doing (following the Grand Final) to attack from a PR angle is do a press release showing the players and support staff standing united together with the headline being "We are innocent and we will prove it"."

 

[captain blood 17]

This is right up there as the greatest thread ever in the history of the Bay.

 

[royals1922]

"What the club needs to do for the sake of the fans is release images or video showing Hird and Thompson together with the players. These images should be depicted to appear as if they are not posed for but rather taken in a "natural" setting. Obviously we would want the photos to show the players looking happy and comfortable along side their coaches.
Another thing the club should consider doing (following the Grand Final) to attack from a PR angle is do a press release showing the players and support staff standing united together with the headline being "We are innocent and we will prove it"."

 

[Art Corvelay]

"What the club needs to do for the sake of the fans is release images or video showing Hird and Thompson together with the players. These images should be depicted to appear as if they are not posed for but rather taken in a "natural" setting. Obviously we would want the photos to show the players looking happy and comfortable along side their coaches."

FMD. "We should take posted photos that don't look posed"

 

[Barry_Badrinath]

Conspiracy

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The Brownlow is for the "fairest" and best. They're lucky they got invited at all.

 

[captain blood 17]

From you know who. Paddy Ryder seems keen to stick around.

"Exactly.. he has back what was taken from him by corruption...

you want him gone because you want this to be over..

guess what? hird could leave tomorrow and the players would STILL have to defend the SCN's.. and would still have to fight ASADA. The media would still go on writing stories.. the HTB would still be overflowing with flogs looking for ego boosts..

If you want Hird gone because you think he can't coach.. fine.. but that is not the reason you have suggested here.. you want him gone to make it 'easier' for you to tolerate what is happening.

And you are damn right he is our coach.. and I hope he has the chance to show you, and the world, exactly what he is made of and makes this club great again. I think the players will be pretty keen to show you exactly how they feel on the field next year..."

 

[captain blood 17]

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This is why I don't thing Dank will get any infraction notices - he knows way too much.

Who's to say that AFL didn't approve that the Suns have injections to build up their bodies quicker, to be come competitive earlier??"

 

[captain blood 17]

Again, from the gift that keeps on giving

"From the functions I've seen.. and the feedback I get.. I am excited for 2015.. players are very very happy to have Hird as their coach.. very happy.

And yes.. they love Bomber and want him to stay too!!

The players have become very good at being insular and just concentrating on being the best they can be. This club is going places.. in lots of ways it already has.

In the last three years we have improved our playing list, got new facilities, increased our footy department spending, entered a stand alone team in the VFL and increased our membership etc.. We are on the verge of some very exciting times for the EFC.. players can feel it and they want Hird to be part of that journey.."

 

[Mister_A]

"you want him gone because you want this to be over..

guess what? hird could leave tomorrow and the players would STILL have to defend the SCN's.. and would still have to fight ASADA. The media would still go on writing stories.. the HTB would still be overflowing with flogs looking for ego boosts..

What, you think we should jail bankers for what they have done in the past?! The people would STILL have to defend the economy from collapse.. and would still have to fight unfair government policies. The media would still go on writing stories.. the Essendon footy club would still be overflowing with flogs looking for ego boosts..

What, you think we should jail Nazis for what they have done in the past?! The people would STILL have to recover from the holocaust.. and would still have to fight racist bigots. The media would still go on writing stories.. Jimmy Hird would still be overflowing with flogishness looking for ego boosts..

Yeah, why punish people for past crimes?! This is the present!

 

[blackshadow]

rines on *albert

The man has lost everything and you still want more.

#shitrinessays

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[Amstaff_]

Nice avatar captain blood 17

 

[Art Corvelay]

Again, from the gift that keeps on giving

"From the functions I've seen.. and the feedback I get.. I am excited for 2015.. players are very very happy to have Hird as their coach.. very happy.

And yes.. they love Bomber and want him to stay too!!

The players have become very good at being insular and just concentrating on being the best they can be. This club is going places.. in lots of ways it already has.

In the last three years we have improved our playing list, got new facilities, increased our footy department spending, entered a stand alone team in the VFL and increased our membership etc.. We are on the verge of some very exciting times for the EFC.. players can feel it and they want Hird to be part of that journey.."

Really does post as some kind of special insider. When in reality is just a version of Sooz with better vocab.

 

[mottrain]

This will weridly vanish soon and become on mod only view but it is from the Hot Topic section. I think that there would be certain users that would be proud that they have another melter on their level.

There is one simple question that you tools need to answer.

If a player from your club was accused of taking substances without seeing any definitive proof, would you expect that player to accept a ban and be labelled a drug cheat?

For those who expect the players to roll over and just "cop their right whack", go farkk yourselves.

This whole board is full of turd burglars. You should all step back for a moment and look at the endless trash that is being written. Fking embarrassing. How about you all get a life.

 

[Art Corvelay]

Wouldn't be surprised if the 'clause' was raised to see if Brisbane had any interest.. perhaps when they were first approached they weren't that keen on giving away pick 4.. then talk of the 'clause' comes up.. suddenly they are a little more interested.. an offer is tabled at now you have them 'planning' for life with Ryder and getting very excited about it..
This is a very common selling technique.. used a lot in car sales.. customer can't really afford Model X, so you offer them Model R which is much cheaper.. so now they drive R and get really excited about getting a new car.. then you suggest that they really should drive X, just to make sure they get the right model.. so then they drive X and love it. As a salesperson you can now say "well Model X is only 5K more than you were going to pay to get Model R anyway and you really love it.." meanwhile the customer actually 'forgets' that they weren't going to buy a car in the first place.. they now feel their only options are Model R and Model X.. not to decline the purchase all together.

#shitrinessays

 

[Art Corvelay]

Work Cover currently has their investigation into the 10 Victorian based AFL Clubs (including your own) on hold pending the outcome of any possible doping violations.

Work Cover has indicated they have no interest in pursuing action against the EFC for this matter. They have deemed in a preliminary report that there was nothing that breached Victorian OHS laws apparent to them from the grievance filed.

The club maintains that nothing harmful nor illegal was given to the players during the 2012 season.

Has Work Cover come out and said anything of the sort? I don't recall hearing them give Essendon the all clear. On the contrary, last I heard they were waiting for ASADA/ACC to finish before investigating the club?

#shitrinessays

 

[Boxhead_31]

"What the club needs to do for the sake of the fans is release images or video showing Hird and Thompson together with the players. These images should be depicted to appear as if they are not posed for but rather taken in a "natural" setting. Obviously we would want the photos to show the players looking happy and comfortable along side their coaches.
Another thing the club should consider doing (following the Grand Final) to attack from a PR angle is do a press release showing the players and support staff standing united together with the headline being "We are innocent and we will prove it"."

Jim and Tania on a dais or similar with the playing list and office personal looking up lovingly towards them
Maybe something like this: