Mega Thread The Next AFC Coach?

[macca23]

Wow we have some blind people on this forum. We re-sign a coach for 2 years and sack him 9 months later at a cost of 1.2 million dollars. You think its great governace of our club to give it this financial hit? Then you would have thought that we had already had our new coach lined up but no we are headed into the trade period with no coach. Not only that but half the people we approached like Thompson, Worsfold etc dont want a bar of us.
Yeah it was done so well.

Nup. nothing like that amount. My info is that it was slightly less than half that figure due to the application of performance clauses etc. As Chapman quite correctly said, it's part of the cost of doing business. Sacking a coach is a pretty routine process for most clubs and always has been..

Agreed that it's a little bizarre that the Board approved a 2 year extension and then 8/9 months later approved the sacking of the same coach. However there is a whole football season in between those 2 events and a hell of a lot of things can and did go wrong in the period, and I don't think too many think that Sando was unjustly sacked.

 

[Niximus]

Please show me your source for that.

The details aren't out there, but it has been implied several times in interviews.

Roo said that confidential clauses came into play on MMM.

 

[Smoooothy]

Please show me your source for that.

show your's that it isn't

fact is, no one here knows for sure

 

[TexFactor]

if sando was fired because of and end of season review then I think the club needs to work on holding its EOS reviews a little earlier or doing them a little quicker.

how are incoming players this trade period supposed to know if their new coach is a good communicator if they don't know who he is? why would they gamble on a club without a coach at all when they can, effectively, choose their coach?

how many of our players are being wooed by other clubs this trade period who already have proven communicators at their helm? why would our players take the gamble that our next coach is going to be good when they can, effectively, choose which coach they want to play for?

If any player was truly 50/50 between two clubs hes hardly going to choose the club without a coach is he?

Danger has a fair idea that clarko is an amazing coach yet he doesn't even know who our coach is.

Im not saying going into trade week is an unmitigated disaster, but it does leave the door open for some serious shit to hit the fan and for some amazing opportunities to be missed. Not having a coach could be the tipping point in peoples very tough choices in these upcoming weeks. If sandos sacking (over 2 weeks after our last game) is as quick as an EOS review can reach any conclusions, then its the EOS review that needs reviewing!

An EOS review that isn't finished in time for you to get your ducks in a row for next season is so incompetent that I cant help but think that there was in fact some reason that sando was sacked unexpectedly, whether it be a big fish on the line or a scandal/falling out with someone.

I just cant see the validity of a season review if you cant get it finished in time to start the next season, which as far as I am concerned starts Monday. I don't know about you guys but I reckon our club could do with another 2 weeks up its sleeve right now.

 

[Niximus]

Agreed that it's a little bizarre that the Board approved a 2 year extension and then 8/9 months later approved the sacking of the same coach. However there is a whole football season in between those 2 events and a hell of a lot of things can and did go wrong in the period, and I don't think too many think that Sando was unjustly sacked.

There has also been a power shift. Those who pushed for the extension were likely not those who pushed for the sacking.

 

[Bacon8]

show your's that it isn't

fact is, no one here knows for sure

And the only way to have any semblance of a clue is to read the Annual Reports.

 

[Cleric]

The details aren't out there, but it has been implied several times in interviews.

Roo said that confidential clauses came into play on MMM.

And its been also implied far more in the media that is 1.2 million.

 

[Niximus]

if sando was fired because of and end of season review then I think the club needs to work on holding its EOS reviews a little earlier or doing them a little quicker.

I think we should aim to have our 2015 End of Season review wrapped up by March.

 

[Mattrox]

The problem is people don't understand about how contracts and announcements work. You select someone, they have to accept and terms are then agreed upon. They will also have to inform their current employer and any contractual stuff with them sorted out. Then they can sign the new contract with you and it has to be lodged with the AFL is my understanding. Once that has all been done, only then do you announce.

Anyone here ever been involved in recruitment involving contracts? It does take a while before you can actually announce anything...

Once it is lodged with the AFL, Caro gets her leak. Then when the AFC announce a press conference, she chimes in that it is about appointing "X" as coach... to claim the scoop.

 

[baldandbroke]

Nup. nothing like that amount. My info is that it was slightly less than half that figure due to the application of performance clauses etc. As Chapman quite correctly said, it's part of the cost of doing business. Sacking a coach is a pretty routine process for most clubs and always has been..

Agreed that it's a little bizarre that the Board approved a 2 year extension and then 8/9 months later approved the sacking of the same coach. However there is a whole football season in between those 2 events and a hell of a lot of things can and did go wrong in the period, and I don't think too many think that Sando was unjustly sacked.

If you think about the contract extension as a way of giving Sanderson the sense of support, but the option to pull the rug if needed for a few hundred thousand bucks ... it's not bad.

 

[Niximus]

And its been also implied far more in the media that is 1.2 million.

You're right.

I wonder how we'll go next year with our new CEO Haysman, and Clarkson at the helm. It's just such a shame that we lost Walker when GWS came in.

 

[dogs105]

Please show me your source for that.

To be fair, it's probably a similar source to:

I bet it is closer to 1.2 than not.

 

[Mattrox]

Please show me your source for that.

Show me a source for 1.2m.

Chapman has stated it was less than a million.

 

[macca23]

There has also been a power shift. Those who pushed for the extension were likely not those who pushed for the sacking.

Excellent point. Noble wasn't part of the admin group that put up the 2 year extension to the board, but after sitting next to Sando all year, he sure as hell was the prime mover in Sando's departure.

 

[Crowbots are dead]

if sando was fired because of and end of season review then I think the club needs to work on holding its EOS reviews a little earlier or doing them a little quicker.

how are incoming players this trade period supposed to know if their new coach is a good communicator if they don't know who he is? why would they gamble on a club without a coach at all when they can, effectively, choose their coach?

how many of our players are being wooed by other clubs this trade period who already have proven communicators at their helm? why would our players take the gamble that our next coach is going to be good when they can, effectively, choose which coach they want to play for?

If any player was truly 50/50 between two clubs hes hardly going to choose the club without a coach is he?

Danger has a fair idea that clarko is an amazing coach yet he doesn't even know who our coach is.

Im not saying going into trade week is an unmitigated disaster, but it does leave the door open for some serious shit to hit the fan and for some amazing opportunities to be missed. Not having a coach could be the tipping point in peoples very tough choices in these upcoming weeks. If sandos sacking (over 2 weeks after our last game) is as quick as an EOS review can reach any conclusions, then its the EOS review that needs reviewing!

An EOS review that isn't finished in time for you to get your ducks in a row for next season is so incompetent that I cant help but think that there was in fact some reason that sando was sacked unexpectedly, whether it be a big fish on the line or a scandal/falling out with someone.

I just cant see the validity of a season review if you cant get it finished in time to start the next season, which as far as I am concerned starts Monday. I don't know about you guys but I reckon our club could do with another 2 weeks up its sleeve right now.

this is my point to. But at the moment there are many posters on here that are a bit precious and think if you raise this issue you are not part of team crow

 

[Mike Smyth]

Honestly I think the "Coaching group" is more important than the senior coaching appointment. If we have the right team with the right mix of Tactical aptitude, Motivational ability and individuals with good relationship & communication skills then that group can make almost any senior coach look good. Hell even Sando looked good when Bails had his back.

Given that there is clearly no stand out coach available for the Crows with successful experience then I just want a really strong team appointed.

Great post. If we are to go with Bassett, as hope we are, lets make sure we give him a strong coaching team to work with. Clarkson would have struggled with Adelaide current coaching group. Who do you suggest as the "senior" assistant?

 

[Johnny Rutten]

JR, agree to a certain extent

a new coach will not materially change what our needs our, regardless we will go for a ruck, defender and more speed

however where it may be important is getting a player to commit, if a player is wanted by more than one club it ususally comes down to his meeting with the coach to determine coaching style and club fit

Yeah, I see your point. Could be a disadvantage, though, if the coach turns out to be a numbnut!

 

[Cleric]

You're right.

I wonder how we'll go next year with our new CEO Haysman, and Clarkson at the helm. It's just such a shame that we lost Walker when GWS came in.

And Triggy has been a great CEO, Gunston, Tippett and Davis all re-signed with the club, Sando can "coach like crazy", and the loss of draft picks didnt hurt us.

 

[AC07]

Please show me your source for that.

It does say here that the contract extension 'would not be honoured.' I could be reading this incorrectly though?

http://www.heraldsun.com.au/sport/a...-on-his-contract/story-fni5f4l8-1227061856332

 

[Niximus]

And Triggy has been a great CEO, Gunston, Tippett and Davis all re-signed with the club, Sando can "coach like crazy", and the loss of draft picks didnt hurt us.

I don't believe that the club ever falsely claimed to have any of those signed up.

 

[macca23]

And its been also implied far more in the media that is 1.2 million.

Mainly by the Rooch who uses every possible opportunity to put the AFC down, whether based on fact or not.

That in itself is absolute proof that we didn't pay that much.

The defence rests its case

 

[1970crow]

Wow we have some blind people on this forum. We re-sign a coach for 2 years (very poor decision) and sack him 9 months later at a cost of 1.2 million dollars (expensive, but the right decision for our football program). You think its great governace of our club to give it this financial hit? (Putting a one-off payout ahead of on-field success??)Then you would have thought that we had already had our new coach lined up (Why would we have thought that?? Why can't we just get the best that's out there? What's wrong with that process??) but no we are headed into the trade period with no coach (Not the first club to do that and won't be the last. What's your preference sack Sando after the trade period or half-assing the recruitment process??). Not only that but half the people we approached like Thompson, Worsfold etc dont want a bar of us(Thompson who will take the GC job under the same circumstances, but not replacing a mate. Woosha not interested for another 12 months.)
Yeah it was done so well. (What did they do wrong. Was the fact that everyone knew Bluey was a goner for 3 weeks the better way to go?)

 

[Mike Smyth]

this is my point to. But at the moment there are many posters on here that are a bit precious and think if you raise this issue you are not part of team crow

Stop spoiling the love in with common sense. Amazes me with everything we have been through over the last 15 years how quickly supporters still elevate a new comer to guru status. Be positive but cautious and don't idolise until the runs are on the board.

 

[Cleric]

To be fair, it's probably a similar source to:

So it could cost our club up to 1.2 million dollars.

 

[StonesThrow]

And its been also implied far more in the media that is 1.2 million.

You're right, the media are always spot on.